What Do they Know About UFOs UAP and Extraterrestrials ?

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Today, we will look into some of the shakers and movers from the military and government in regards to information and secrets about UFOs or UAP and extraterrestrials. With the next UFO hearing and potential new whistleblowers coming into the public arena, it's very important to know who the players are in the game. (00:32) Hello and welcome to this episode of Mysteries with a History, where you'll be taken on a wild ride into the unknown, the strange, and the mysterious. Like you, I have questions, and like you, I want answers. And with each episode together, we will peel away the layers to look for the truth. Let me bring in my co-host, Jimmy Church of Faded Black Radio, because this show in particular is going to be, I think, a very interesting one. (00:58) Jimmy, another Thursday. Happy Thursday to you. How are you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing? I had an amazing day today. I won't get into all of that, but I'll say to everybody, it really brightened my day today. I'm out taking a ride. I'm out in the middle of the desert, and I get a text from Christina. (01:24) yo, Jimmy, happy Thursday. And I was like, man, what's going on? And you know, that, that was really cool. Put a smile on my face and, and, uh, got me home excited in time, uh, for today's broadcast. And now I said to you, and this allows me the opportunity. Hello, everyone, by the way, uh, the opportunity to jump in and ask, uh, the question because, uh, I asked you the question off of the air, but now I'm going to do it on the air. (01:56) Why? Great show, great topic, great idea for today. But is it because you're reading Lou's book? So I have the book right here. I'm almost done reading it. And this is a good preface for people that are coming really out of the shadows to talk about government programs and where you have these retired or current military and government officials talking about UFOs. (02:26) But this has been going on since about 2017. And while Lou Elizondo might be the person that we all think of, there's a handful of other people that have spoken out publicly about their interest and what they know on the subject. So today we will not be talking about Lou Elizondo or maybe a few others that many of you are very familiar with. (02:49) Instead, we'll be discussing others that have, in many respects, spoken on the news to mention to the public what they know. And I do have a few clips here that we'll be watching. They're honestly, the longest one is like 25 seconds. They're all very, very short and very to the point. But with the hearings that are supposed to be coming up in September, October, maybe even November, this is a very great foundation on how this conversation has been going, where it's going to go, and if we'll actually see (03:25) any of these people mentioned today that will be speaking to Congress under oath in the near future. We don't know who's going to be speaking, but maybe we can make some guesses, estimations on who might be. But you didn't answer the question. So let me read. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So let me reframe it. (03:48) Maybe I didn't ask it right. Did you think of this show today because your your mind was going in the direction of who else is interested in this because you're reading the book? Did that get your brain going in this direction? I was originally thinking of the hearings that are coming up. Oh, okay. And then also the book did also help with that, but there's actually a lot of people that we'll be speaking about today that actually are not mentioned in the book, minus one or two. (04:24) Right, right, right. Okay. All right. So that clarifies that. It's just, so you're saying that, and I agree with you, you're always thinking about That's it. That's the bottom line. You're always thinking about the subject. Who is out there speaking about it? Now, we have a list. Excuse me. (04:47) Bug in my throat from the ride today. That's part of the problem with taking long Harley rides without a face mask. You eat a lot of bugs. Yeah, you cannot open your mouth. You do not. You do not. You ride with your mouth closed because it just... That's why you wear a helmet. But also, Jimmy, I wanted to mention this is that two weeks ago, I did do a congressional UFO hearing timeline and whistleblowers. (05:15) And so is is kind of a follow up to that as well. And for those that haven't seen that timeline video, I do highly recommend you watch it because it goes into detail on all of the previous UFO hearings that are leading up to this next one that will be coming up in the next few months. Fingers crossed, hopefully. (05:36) Well, yeah, and the press release that the mention, because it was brought up last week, maybe 10 days ago, and I think it was Luna, Paulina Luna, That said, we are having the hearings and it's going to happen in the fall. This is a definite it is happening. So, yeah, yeah, it's I think also in that quote and then we'll move on. (06:09) We've got a pretty interesting list of people that we're going to be talking about today. The word the month of September was mentioned like twice. So that's where they're trying to calendar it. And so, yeah, uh, which is next month. Actually, it's next week. It's next week, but a week and a half, I guess. (06:33) It sure would be great to have that happen. Okay, so we've got a list of movers and shakers. Can I make an opening statement, a quick comment about our list? Sure, yours. Which doesn't include everybody on the list, but six degrees of separation. when you look at this list not everybody okay but most and if you drop a name out there and you and you're considering something um everybody is not everybody but most are directly connected to bigelow and the skin walker and to OSAP and to SDI. (07:23) And that grew. It's really, really bizarre. And some are directly involved. Some are one degree separated. But all of them, in one way or another, save for a couple, and we're going to go through the names right now, save for a couple who are not necessarily directly involved, uh, with Robert Bigelow and, and Skinwalker and OSAP, uh, and so forth. (07:52) So anyway, um, where do you want to start on the list? Do you just want to go from the top to the bottom and, and, and go through this? You just want to start with, uh, uh, rear Admiral, uh, Tim, uh, Gallaudet. Let's do it. I think that's a great place to start this way. We want to talk on where we're going. (08:14) So, uh, As Jimmy had mentioned, he is a retired U.S. Navy Rear Admiral with a background in oceanography, which is going to come into play rather shortly. Because as you and I know, Jimmy, and those I think watching this as well, there's a lot of interest when it comes to our oceans. and UFOs, UAP, maybe even alien bases, right? And he has mentioned this publicly in an interview that he gave not too long ago, stating there is something there. (08:46) There is something in our oceans, and we've got to do more investigations on this. I'm actually going to play a clip here. It's 16 seconds that... news nation release let's go ahead and play that absolutely we're being visited by non-human intelligence with technology we really don't understand and with intentions we don't understand it all either and this is just one of those great big questions are we alone or not and we're learning we're not so now Okay, let me jump in real quick because you (09:23) brought up oceanography, and it's very important. You can see right there it says PhD. He got his bachelor's degree in oceanography from the U.S. Naval Academy. He got that in 1989. He got his master's and doctoral degrees in oceanography. Oceanography from Scripps Institution of Oceanography in 1991. (09:50) And then again in 2001. This is a very educated individual, rear admiral. And because his expertise and his degrees are in oceanography, spent a lot of time under the water. And also in that capacity as rear admiral, He was exposed to some pretty interesting reports and emails that he has also talked about publicly that, you know, fast movers, underwater situations, and went public about that and speaking about this because a submarine on a good day is 35 knots, right? Right. (10:40) uh, really fast torpedoes and, and things of that nature. Okay. But they, uh, are, are faster, but he's talking about stuff that's in excess of 300 knots and which you can directly correlate all of that. Everybody just, uh, It's a different speed, but if you say 300 knots, you can say 300 miles per hour. (11:03) That's really fast under the water. And that has really raised his eyebrows into what may be going on and visiting us or living underneath our oceans that is way beyond our technical expertise. It is. And he's also made observations that... They're able to move at incredible speeds, which you and I know about, and they're able to transition between air and water without apparent damage or splash. (11:38) Before we continue, let me state this. You might say, oh, they're not providing any new information here. This show, what we're covering here is setting a foundation for those that aren't familiar with these movers and shakers that have publicly spoken about this with their very credible backgrounds. (11:59) Now, you might say this is nothing new. But it's adding a level of legitimacy here. And that's really why we're covering this. And if you say that you know everything covered, then you know what? This show isn't for you. And a lot of the books that are written, documentaries that are created, TV shows that are made, and you say, I know everything. (12:19) It's also not for you. Now, on the NBC News, he discussed UAPs as technology of unknown origin operating in all domains, meaning the sea, the sky and land, labeling it a national or global security concern. We have heard this time and time again. I mention this all the time. But you know what? I'm going to go ahead and just jump a few inches forward here very quickly because Christopher Mellon gave an interview on the UAP show, which is a French podcast. (12:52) And he goes into detail on why he classifies UFOs, UAP, as a national security issue. And I'll play that interview shortly. But paraphrasing, he mentioned that if it was addressed any other way, scientifically, to have a scientific approach, just to have an interest approach, no investigations would have been done. (13:15) But when you put the word threat out into the government, out into the public, and protecting our nation or our airspace, that's when the conversation shifts and there's a serious approach taken to it. And I think with all of these government officials retired and current, we are constantly being told this over and over again. (13:40) that it is a national security threat and even a global threat because consistently, and I cannot emphasize enough, I will be sharing a few interviews of people that we're mentioning here today, that they are aware that there have been UFO sightings across the world and other countries are also doing their research, conducting their investigations on this as well. (14:05) The question is, are these different countries sharing that information with one another? In the same way that during the Arrow report that was released in March, it had mentioned other foreign UFO offices agree with Arrow that there's nothing to see here. If that's the case, why are all these other countries funding these UFO offices? And then we hear admirals, generals, colonels coming forward and stating there is something to it, but there's only so much I can say at this point in time. (14:44) Jimmy, for you, do you think that these people coming forward, it's important? Does it matter? Are they really making a difference by saying, I know stuff, but I can't talk about it publicly? How do you feel about that? Well, I think that should be illegal, honestly, in that we're talking about nature. (15:10) You're just keeping nature from us. If there is intelligences out there in the universe, that belongs to you and I and everybody listening to the show and the people of Earth as much as it belongs to anybody else. The knowledge of that. It's just nature. What is it that you're hiding from us? And you bring up the one screaming point. (15:33) um it's threat so you threat and fear which is what the media is about which is the way governments control uh their citizens uh you've got to do that through fear and that that's it that's the only way you're going to get a reaction out of not only the citizens of the country but also out of the politicians and those that are running militaries and defense forces and here's the thing if you flip it over christina And there was definite proof that ET is not only, I mean, I'm talking about (16:10) definitive stuff here is not only in contact with us, but just wants to do a hangout. Right. And there's no threat. Then there is no money. There is no interest. When was the last time? anybody watched the news or read the news and read a happy story. It doesn't exist. It doesn't, it doesn't, it just, it doesn't exist out there. (16:43) You have to dig for that stuff. Right. And, and so if ET is here just to do a hangout and bring peace and love, that's not newsworthy stuff. It's got to have fear attached to it, and it's got to be a threat. And then there's money, and then there's interest. And that is exactly how we're seeing this play out. (17:05) I'm just calling it out. I'm speaking the truth here. And although the people in our community, who by and large, most of them, are just honest, fun people, positive individuals that are seeking answers, right? We're not here for the negative side of things and we don't necessarily run our lives that way, but that's not what the media does. (17:32) And that's not what generates clicks. And that's not what generates money, not only for the networks, but for the Pentagon and for the Senate and for Congress. And for campaigns and everything else it's got to be tilted in that direction it's got to be a national security threat in order for any action to happen sad but true in in many ways it is very disappointing but something that I mentioned time and time again is if it's classified as rainbows and unicorns that everything's okay and there (18:07) are space brothers in their mind, there's nothing to investigate. There's no point. And everything depends on labels, depends on perception of things. And if it's done incorrectly, you're not going to get anywhere. Let me provide you an example. When we're dealing with a debate, which is very different from an argument, or if you're dealing with a salesperson, I'm going to make this as basic as possible. (18:36) They're going to be using keywords to make you feel a very specific emotion in order for you to buy their product or their service. It can be the best product on the planet. But if they are not tapping in usually to your emotions or your desires or necessities, you're not going to buy that product. Because words matter and they all carry weight. (19:04) Labels unfortunately matter. And so when you classify something as a threat across any board, any platform, any office, people are going to take it more seriously than saying, oh, let's just collect data for funsies. No. No. That's not how it works. No, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. (19:26) And you're flying right over the target as a national security threat, I might add. Yeah, you're flying right over the target. And you're flying a mission here. You're spot on the money. And now let's continue down the list because this sort of idea plays out with this next, which is Carl now. (19:52) Retired Colonel, long career with the Army, has worked for aerospace companies, and was the former director of the UAP Task Force. Now, Nell claims non-human intelligence not only exists and has been to Earth, but has been actively interacting with humanity. Now, where's the spin here? Is it a national security threat? How is he looking at it? Is there a religious spin on it? It's the Pentagon. (20:27) How is the take there? Nell is one of the few individuals that came out, in my opinion, with a neutral stance on this. All right? And so with that kind of neutral stance, does he become front page news? No, he should. The statements that he has made in his position, these are extraordinary words, but Threat isn't involved, right? National security risk isn't directly tied to him. (21:07) So does he make it to, I don't want to say any of the network's names, but you understand what I'm saying, right? Carl Nell flipped me out. And I thought to myself, here is a guy that is speaking very openly and honestly about this, but he doesn't make the front page news, does he? No, he doesn't. (21:29) But I am going to share this nine second clip of Nell talking about this. Non-human intelligence exists. Non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new and it's been ongoing. Again, right? Couldn't that be the banner, you know, a clip heard around the world? Yes, absolutely. (21:57) And Christina, you've muted yourself. Yes, I need two minutes to do something in the background. Jimmy, tell us a little bit more about Carl. I'm going to pass this on to you and I will be right back. Okay. No telling what Christina is doing in the back. Oh, she even removed herself. I think it has something to do with. (22:20) with ramen noodles. I'm just going to be honest with you. I know what's going on with all of that. I am going to mention one thing before we get to some of the other names. A lot of books, yes, yes, we know Lou's book is out, right? Eminent. Over the last three, four years, there has been a pile of books that have come out that I think are extremely important and groundbreaking. (22:56) All right. And now two of those books are, hunt for the skin Walker and skin Walker at the Pentagon were authored and coauthored by names on this list that we're going to go through today. Uh, very important books that, um, uh, point things in a direction. And I think we're, we're very revealing. We have Chris bless, uh, Chris Bledsoe's book, uh, UFO at the pen, uh, UFO of God. (23:28) Um, uh, uh, Diana Posalka and others that have released very, very significant books recently. And when you look at the books and how they are done, we see some of the names there, but we see other revealing information that is different from the national security threat fear factor. There is something else going on here. (23:58) And does that play out in the headlines? Does that move things forward? I would say not necessarily so. But, okay, Christina, I know that you're back. And the reason why I'm bringing up all of this is because when we go through these names and the books that I just mentioned, none of them are overlapping with each other. (24:26) They approach the subject differently. And I've said many times over the years, including all of the names that we're going to go through today, if you know somebody's name and they are public, they don't know. I'm saying this as fact. They don't have any direct information about UFOs or ET. (24:48) They're investigating. They have interest in it. They're close. They're moving forward. They're trying to get to it. But have they been in the hangars? Have they been reverse engineering? Have they sat down with ET? Have they ridden on a crack? Have they gone to Andromeda? And the answer to that is no. (25:08) And that includes all of these names that are here. And when we go with somebody like Carl Nell, who is right in the middle of all of this, does he have any direct knowledge of this? Does Tim Gallaudet have any direct knowledge or contact? No, but they have deep interest in the subject, which takes us to our next person on the list. (25:32) Again, in that circle, Colm Kelleher. And this is a very interesting person. Christina? Very interesting. Right before we get to Mr. Kelleher, first, I want to say, Timmy boy, thank you so much for being a YouTube member. I appreciate you. And a little more background on Carl is that he was involved in the Army's liaison for the UAP Task Force, the UAPTF, from 2021 to 2022. (26:04) And he was also had work involved in with aerospace companies, which makes us question, does this give him more credibility when it comes to advanced technologies and UFOs? So I'd like to say that. But now that that has passed, let's get on over to Mr. Kelleher here. He's someone that you've spoken with personally, Jimmy. (26:35) Tell us a little bit about him. Well, very interesting background. Again, right in the middle of the circle, right? But biochemist, very important to mention. 15-year research career in cell and molecular biology. Following his PhD in biochemistry with the University of Dublin, Trinity College in 1983, he worked at the Ontario Cancer Institute, the Terry Fox Cancer Research Laboratory, and the National Jewish Center for Immunology and Respiratory Medicine. (27:11) Also, co-author of Hunt for the Skinwalker. So you have somebody with that kind of background, those kinds of degrees, also just like Gary Nolan, cancer research, right, PhD, that kind of background, and finds himself right into the circle of Bigelow spending hundreds of hours at Skinwalker Ranch investigating the phenomena. (27:41) So how do you go? What is it? And I'm going to say this briefly. as direct as I can, you go through an entire educational career path, PhDs, cancer research, all of this dedication to medicine and giving back to humanity and moving all of this. And then just somewhere on that lone desert road, right? A left-hand turn. (28:12) right into the world of parapsychology, paranormal, supernatural, UFOs, ET, and jumping into that research, going public, and then writing the books. What drives these individuals into this? Now, does that mean that Colm Kelleher has direct, absolute knowledge of any of this? I would say not why we know his name. (28:48) I think that's kind of a, A tough one to say. And before I put in some thoughts on that, Android, thank you so much. It says, great point by Jimmy. I think many are linked to Bigelow because he purposely sought out hiring people who had experience with UFOs and government. Also, his SAP was likely more involved than what's been disclosed. (29:11) So, yeah. That's a great point. And Android, that was Android paranormal, right? Right. It's already gone. Yeah. Android. That's a really good point that there are educated, very interested physicists and chemists and biologists and scientists and researchers. that will go outside of the box and take their mind and their brain power into this subject. (29:42) And Bigelow was seeking out those individuals that had not only an interest, but the ability and the intelligence and the expertise to jump into a laboratory setting and get science in behind this. So, yeah, that's an absolutely solid point from Android that, yeah, I keep saying six degrees of separation, pointing back to Robert Bigelow, but Bigelow attracted and sought out these types of individuals. (30:12) And Colm Kelleher, as pedigreed as just about anybody can be, had a pretty firm interest in this. But was it anything direct? I keep going back to that. If you really have the absolute... Now, our list is of people that have interest and are working on the phenomenon. But if you really have had that access, you're closed down. (30:41) You cannot go public. You can't. Unless it's by design, unless it's pushing for that soft disclosure. And Jimmy, at the very beginning, you mentioned that the majority of people that we're talking about here today were a part or working with Robert Bigelow. And he's a very, in many respects, a very secretive man. (31:02) Yes, he has created his own consciousness institute, funding how consciousness works, life after death and things like that. But when Brandon Fugel, the current owner of Skinwalker Ranch, bought the ranch, Bigelow gave him almost no information, did not provide any of the data that he collected in order to help Fugel aside from don't take on the ranch and a few other pieces of advice. (31:27) But that was it. And then as these years have progressed, we're seeing more and more people talk out about this. many of them involved with Skinwalker Ranch. Jay Stratton is one of those people who was for the longest time in the shadows. And then all of a sudden, we see him on the TV show, The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, not saying much, but lurking in the background, watching the whole operation take place. (31:53) And we'll be discussing him a little bit later. But Well, okay, let me ask you a question, because we have now mentioned three individuals, and we're going to continue doing this, that apparently... were directors of the UAP task force, right? Like one after another. And so being a director of the UAP task force, look at David Grush. (32:22) That's a perfect example, right? So does that, because you are in that kind of hot seat, are you privy to information or are you just doing investigations to Right. Are you shown the secret folder? Are you taken to the secret location? Do you have access to the real stuff or are you just in a position where you can listen to and read and research the topic? That's the other thing. (32:55) Does Jay Stratton or any of the UAP task force or Arrow, Sean Kirkpatrick is another example. He's not on our list today, by the way, everybody, for good reason. Is that just because you are there, do you have the secret stuff? That's the question. I guess it just depends on if you were doing boots on the ground investigations. (33:23) Kelleher was one of those people. And when we're looking at Rear Admiral Tim, he had done, while he hasn't spoken out publicly on his own investigations, he was an avid diver in his time. He was a part of the Navy. He loves oceanography. That's one of his specialties. We can maybe guess here that he's might have encountered something in the ocean on his own time or conducted investigations that he's not able to talk about publicly. (33:54) The same might go for Carl now, but they can only say so much since they're being watched under a microscope. Many of them have signed very specific NDAs. And what if they're just getting the ball rolling by talking about this, allowing people to make up their own minds and start asking questions on the topic because so many people want to be spoon-fed information. (34:19) They don't want to think on their own. But people that have the information can only give so much, can only do so much when they're in the public eye. Maybe for these people that we're mentioning, might have firsthand knowledge or firsthand experiences or data, but can't share it just yet. We've come a very long way in the last five years where more and more people are coming forward, sharing their information, sharing their encounters with very credible backgrounds. (34:52) If it was the year 2000, we wouldn't have expected any of these things that have happened just in the last 24 months. Except, except you are right, Christina, but this is except that we have been in this very position many times in the past. And we can go all the way back. I'm going to say it. We can go back to 1947 in Roswell and before that World War II with the Foo Fighters and all of the very diligent work. (35:34) of people like Donald Kehoe who were pushing for disclosure, were pushing for the reality of UFOs. What is going on with contact? What are people seeing? Getting the science involved and the hearings, the press conferences that were happening at the Pentagon about this. 60 years ago, 70 years ago, 50 years ago, this has been an ongoing thing. (36:00) Now, the problem with that, the efforts were always there. No different than what is happening today. Zero difference. Zero. All right? And we thought we were really close. And we have the cooperation with the Air Force. And, you know, we talk about the UAP Task Force today. Right. Or a tip, any of that. We had Project Blue Book. (36:23) Now, here's the difference. But here's the difference from 30, 40, 50 years ago up until today. And that is that U.S. representatives were. are talking about this publicly. We didn't have that with Keynote. No, we did. We didn't have that with Project Blue Book. I don't think so. I don't think we did. (36:41) No, no, no, no, no, no. No way that it's being spoken about today. No, no, no. Let's stop right there. There were press conferences Hearings, Senate hearings, the United States Navy, the Air Force, the Office of the President, the White House, all of this was a topic of discussion. We had the 1952 UFO flap right over Washington, D.C. (37:10) , This was a huge concern, and it was a public concern. And there were many hearings about this that went on all the way through the 60s. Now, it stopped in 69 when Blue Book shut down. But my point being, the statements that we are hearing today from the Pentagon and from the military are the same statements that were made by the Air Force, the Army, and the Navy in and the Senate and Congress all the way back to 1950. (37:40) So it's always been wash, rinse, repeat with this. So now today, are we closer than ever? I would say we are, but this isn't something that is brand new. If you're new to the subject and you've just picked up Lou Elizondo's book, great. It's a really, really good opening UFO 101 course to go and read and get acclimated to the subject. (38:09) But this is something that has been going on for a very long time. And I would say, you mentioned five years, seven years. We can go back to December 2017. If we look at things like Eric Davis, the Wilson Davis document, that goes back to the year 2000. Okay. That's before the Nimitz. That's 25 years ago. (38:44) And Bigelow and what was going on there and Eric Davis trying to work with and going in and out of the Bigelow circle goes back to 2000. I'll put off an SDI and all of that, go back to 1970. That's 55 years ago, Christina. This has been going on for a very, very long time. And when you look at somebody like Hal Puthoff or Dr. (39:17) Eric Davis that have been researching this for 50 years, 40 years, 50 years, did they ever get to the answers? Are they there? I don't know. I'm saying if we know their names, probably not. So let's move on before we run out of time. Let's get to, okay, one of the names not on the list but needs to be mentioned here is Dr. James Lakatsky. (39:46) Now, he's also the co-author of Skinwalkers at the Pentagon with Colm Kelleher. He's a rocket scientist. He's got a BS and an MS in nuclear engineering, was the Defense Intelligence Agency Program Manager, Contracting Officer Representative, Security Coordinator, Counterintelligence Coordinator for the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program, otherwise known as OSAP. (40:13) And, and a very important again, right. Or six degrees of separation. Right. But let's get to one of the most important people on this list because of his position. And that's John Radcliffe, John Radcliffe, former director of national intelligence. Now that was from 2020 to 2021, very short stint in that position. (40:36) But, uh, One of the most famous quotes, and it's on video too, by the way, is this. Quote, when we talk about sightings, we're talking about objects that have been seen by Navy or Air Force pilots or have been picked up by satellite imagery that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, end quote. (41:05) And then he went on to say, quote, that he has reviewed the data of our satellites that not only point at earth, but also point out into deep space where they are looking at fast walkers and, and entering our star system and entering earth's atmosphere that we monitor this all the time. Now to have the former director of national intelligence, right? That's that's DNI. (41:41) Right. That's a heavy statement. Now, if we back up. Yeah. Yeah. And so much was put on this. And I remember looking at the video of him making these extraordinary claims. Now, what's his background? He was representative in Congress. He was nominated for the position of Director of National Intelligence. (42:06) Didn't pass Congress. Got his name thrown back in the hat a second time. Made it through and did a very short stint there from late 2020 to 2021. It wasn't like he was... The director of national intelligence, you know, for two administrations or something like that, who's only there for a very short period of time. (42:28) Did he have the access? Now, director of national intelligence is about as lofty as it gets. OK, you have DNI, you have NSA, NRO. You know, you know what I mean? Very