LIVE AARO Hearing UFOs UAP Testimony on Emerging Threats

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Dr. Jon Kosloski for testifying. He is our newly appointed director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO, an office Congress established in the fiscal year, NDA, to investigate this very serious problem of unidentified anomalous phenomenon, or UAP. Dr. Kozlowski comes to Arrow from the Research Directorate of the National Security Agency, where he worked in areas of optics research and crypto mathematics. (00:31) He previously served at the DoD Special Communications Ent erprise Office. We look forward to regular engagements between you and the committee. When unidentified anomalous phenomenon enter our airspace, we need to know about it. We need to identify it, but in order to do that, we need to reduce the stigma and credibility challenges associated with these events. (00:54) Our service members, scientists, foreign partners, and the general public need to know that their reporting, research, and analysis will be taken seriously and acted on in good faith. In the spirit of transparency, Arrow recently released a consolidated annual report just a few months after releasing the first volume of the historical record report in March of this year. (01:16) These public documents help highlight the challenges still facing this office, including the lack of timely and actionable sensor data, the need to revisit cases placed in the active archive, and the importance of improving reporting sources, both in the interagency and internationally. In this hearing, I want to probe a series of specific issues. (01:41) First, as incidents at Langley and elsewhere have demonstrated, unmanned aerial systems, or UAS, continue to pose significant threats to our national security. In addition to safety of flight issues these UAS create for our own pilots and aircrew, the UAS present clear and undeniable counterintelligence concerns around some of the most sensitive airspace. (02:04) While standard UAS are not part of Aero's mission, your work on sensors at milit ary installations across the country will be critical to making sure that we have the domain awareness necessary to accurately identify and track these objects. I expect your office to also pay close attention to any anomalous characteristics that these systems could present in the future. (02:28) Second, I look forward to your presentation of three case studies demonstrating cases that Arrow has resolved, including the GO Fast, which is one of the most prominent UAP cases. However, I believe it even when a Senate hearing is not scheduled. (03:12) Lastly, while some have been hesitant to come forward to Arrow in the past, I hope that potential individuals with firsthand knowledge of unreported programs view your arrival in this position as an opportunity for a new start. Arrow was created by Congress to do this work. Congress waived non-disclosure agreements for those who disclose information to Arrow and gave Arrow the authority to go and turn over every rock. (03:39) I hope those wit analytical frameworks. Our ability to detect, track, and respond to UAPs requires the latest technology and full cooperation from all government branches. Thanks very much, Dr. (04:54) Kozlowski, for your attention to this matter and I look forward to the valuable insights that you and Arrow can provide to our committee and I yield back. Thank you. Dr. Kozlowski, please make your opening statement. Thank you, Chairwoman Gillibrand, Ranking Member Ernst, and distinguished members of the subcommit scientific problems, which is what brought me to Arrow and the UAP mission. Since I arrived at Arrow in August, I've been impressed by the breadth and depth of my team's experience and the framework they've established to rigorously analyze UAP reports. (06:18) Arrow has taken meaningful steps to improve data collection and retention, bolster sensor development, effectively triage UAP reports, and reduce the stigma of reporting UAP events. Last year, Arrow worked with the DOD's Joint Staff to i important to underscore that to date arrow has not discovered any verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial beings activity or technology. To accomplish Aero's national security mission, I have set three priorities for the office. (07:43) Building strong partnerships, promoting transparency, and scaling up the work of the office. Aero cannot do its work alone. Building partnerships across government, academia, industry, and with the public is essential to the success of the office. Strong coopera mation in the first place. Why are photos of seemingly benign objects such as balloons classified? It's often the case that an object or phenomenon isn't itself a security concern, but the location, source or method used to capture it is still sensitive. (09:12) Many cases are difficult to quickly release to the public, but are reported to the appropriate committees in Congress that are authorized by law or House and Senate leadership to receive the information. It is important to note that Arro es and examines. (10:29) This means tapping into existing data sources within the interagency while deploying Arrow's own organic sensor capabilities. To the extent that UAP results from the domain awareness gaps, More and better data will help us fill those gaps and help us understand what is being encountered. In closing, Arrow is committed to the highest standards of scientific integrity. (10:50) We will not foreclose on any explanation for UAP prematurely. We will continue to follow the scie t we hope to have live in mid twenty twenty five. On the left side, it shows the altitudes and we'll see it's a bit cut off. (12:15) We'll see that most of the reporting occurs between fifteen thousand and twenty five thousand feet. That happens to be where most of our sensors are. And the reporting above and below that is also often coming from those same platforms in the center. We'll see that the resolved cases. have the vast majority being balloons and UAS. (12:38) We're seeing a great incre as it was reported is well known on the outside, known as the Puerto Rico case. (13:48) It was data collected in twenty thirteen when a Customs and Border Patrol aircraft observed an object flying near an airport in Puerto Rico. The green line in this diagram is the track that the airplane was taking. And those many crossed lines are the directions that the camera was facing at the time that the airplane was flying around the airport. (14:11) And we'll watch the video in just a moment. The orang . Looks like an object flying very fast over the water, very close to the water. Through a very careful geospatial intelligence analysis using trigonometry, we assess with high confidence that the object is not actually close to the water but is rather closer to thirteen thousand feet. (15:37) Diagram here shows as The platform is flying and capturing the object. If it is closer to the platform at a higher altitude, a trick of the eye called parallax makes it look like the object is moving much can only resolve things that we understand. So we're now working on additional products where we can inform the public, Congress, and others of the objects as we're studying them, rather than once we've resolved them. (17:08) With that, I'll take your questions. Thank you, Dr. Kozlowski. I appreciate your... your testimony. It's been widely reported that individuals claiming first tail knowledge of unreported UAP programs have been reluctant to engage with Arrow. What message do you have for th t read your report from March, your historic report. And I would encourage anyone who's interested in this topic to read the report because when I was asked by a reporter about it, they said, well, it doesn't show any evidence of secret programs that have aliens. (18:42) That's not how I read the report. What I read the report is the US government took sightings extremely seriously over the last seventy five years, put some of the greatest minds ever to analyze these cases because they assess th very concerning that our pilots, that our Navy officers, that people who have sightings of UAPs are denigrated, are somehow dismissed or disregarded. They need to be protected. This is a a huge issue for national security because number one, we don't have domain awareness, which is very problematic. (20:08) Number two, we don't have domain superiority if we don't understand how different UAPs are flying, what technology they're using, what their mission is, what their purpose is. And at the base tists that we can find anywhere and they will do the work that's needed to be done um so I just want to thank you for that and then with my last forty two seconds um can you tell us about any of the cases that merit further analysis by your ic (21:38) and science and technology partners what is it that makes these cases anomalous and a large number of reports are placed in the active archive because arrow does not have enough information what might prompt you to reopen a case like that and do yo ing up to the location where he thought would be below the orb about forty to sixty meters away from some object. (22:53) The area was well lit. He saw a blacker than black object. He said it was about the size of a Prius, four to six feet wide. And as he got forty to sixty meters away from the object, it tilted up about forty-five degrees, and then it shot up vertically, says ten to a hundred times faster than any drone he's ever seen before and it did that without making a sound as far as he c object that large, stationary unless it's a blimp, is unusual, but then disappearing, we can't explain how that would happen. (24:20) And then the last case was interesting. We had a aircraft that was flying parallel to another aircraft and it was capturing imagery of it. And a small looking object appeared to fly between the two of them much faster than them. Through very careful analysis, we think that the object might have actually been further away than the object that it was videotaping, b fication effort. We've hired a number of declassification experts and we're going to be trying to get cases like the ones that I just discussed here declassified so that we can engage with the universities on a regular basis and provide them the data. (26:07) Talking to a scientist without data is going to be rather disappointing. So hopefully in twenty twenty five we'll be increasing those efforts. Well, I appreciate that. I think there's a huge pool of talent out there that you should tap into doing about them? I think that removing the stigma, reducing the stigma is the first step. (27:28) We need to make sure that we're having honest and transparent conversations about them, because if we're hesitant to discuss them, then it opens the opportunity for an adversary, as you had mentioned earlier, Senator Gillibrand, to come in and conduct some activity. So we need to do that and we need to have more persistent monitoring and understand that whether it is a uap or a counter uas issue t ake down as the incident might be. But talk to us a little bit about what role you can play for both the DOD and the IC community in these kinds of incursions that are happening when we don't know what tech is being used and we don't understand a flight pattern or we don't understand how they arrive and depart in the way they do. (29:27) Yeah, we are generally going to be supporting them through an advisory capacity as an organization that naturally needs to conduct baseline experiments of the e ersonnel has been established, Can you speak to Arrow's plans for a public reporting mechanism and how did Arrow arrive at this approach and were other options considered? And second, for pilots and operators who have reported a UAP, what feedback, if any, has Arrow provided to these individuals related to what Arrow is doing with their report and how the report (30:59) has been resolved? How does such feedback or lack thereof impact the frequency of UAP reporting? The public report reporting me e future while protecting the private information of the individuals who are reporting regarding the feedback from the resolved reports. (32:17) Right now, we don't have a good feedback mechanism. It's fairly informal. We're working on building a case management system that Arrow will use at all classification levels. And hopefully in that, we'll be able to provide feedback as the case is going through the resolution process. We have multiple phases. (32:37) Then the folks who report that, wheth ion us, particularly with witnesses, encourage them to come forward and report to us so that we can have a more fulsome investigation of the potential historic or ongoing legacy programs. (33:57) Thank you so much. Hearing adjourned. That's it? We're done? That was too short. That was too short. I have too many questions. I'm a little upset. To be fair with you, the beginning felt like another Sean Kirkpatrick talking about all the data that we found. Please give us more witnesses. there were so cult to talk about, especially when being sensitive on what can be mentioned in the open hearing versus the closed hearing. I get that. But there were a lot of... I felt a lot of essence of another Dr. (35:43) Sean Kirkpatrick, which that didn't end well for him. He resigned in December. Kosloski came into... became a chief just in August, to my understanding of twenty twenty four. That's what he stated. So he's only been doing his job for the last several months, which means he didn't write th I will say he answered it wisely. It wasn't, yes, give us more money and give us more funding because we need all the money we can get. He was like, no, you guys are doing great. Thank you so much. If anything, just hand us more witnesses. And I was like, okay, that was a smart little detour over there. (37:22) But we saw that exact same answer from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick as well. And of course, it does lead me to feel a little hesitant merely from what Retired Rear Admiral Tim Galladet had said d Michael Gold comes up and he's like, oh, NASA is the one to be researching all this UFO stuff. We have all the technology. We're super amazing. (38:51) Hand it over to us. And I thought it was odd that Michael Gold didn't really say anything about Arrow. If anything, when an Arrow question was brought up to him, he would look at his panelists and he's like, I think these guys can answer it a little better than me. At least that's the vibe that I got from it. (39:08) But turns out, according to esentation was five minutes. (40:20) give or take a little bit. That is nothing. No, no, five minutes. Yeah, it started at eleven fifty four and it ended at seventeen thirty three. I have my timestamps right here for you that when this live stream is over, you can go back with the timestamps to see the data that was provided and the questions that were asked to make it as easy for you as possible. (40:39) But his data collection was very sparse, in my opinion. I need a lot more. Are we going to ean on that. Stephen Rice, thank you for the four ninety nine. He says he says he was full of swamp gas. Yes. Now the new term is drones. But I was very pleased that twice the Langley Air Force Base incident was mentioned, not only today, but during the hearing on Wednesday. It was also mentioned twice there. (42:01) I Well, so I like to see that these congressmen and representatives are familiarizing themselves on this topic and the new information that is coming forward for them to talk about the water. And so no matter what, we always have to be skeptical. for the most part, believe our own eyes, believe our own instances, because it's very easy to brush something off as Project Bluebeam or even as the real thing when they might just have flip flopped. (43:29) Hopefully that makes sense to you. And then, Dan, thank you as well. It says the contradiction that caught me tonight was saying that we have a whole of government approach. Yet days ago, it was stated clearly that wasn't the stead of Arrow saying, hey, (44:50) CIA, do you have any information about UFOs? Hey, NSA, and so on and so forth. It's very exhausting. It's very time consuming. But if there's just this one little funnel, right, and all information goes into one office that would be so much easier for everyone including us over here when we want to file a FOIA report we know exactly who to point that to see what I'm saying but I want to ask other people what do you think about this Liam says there's a reason N And yes, P says, no evidence of extraterrestrials. Then, of course, we hear the threat narrative by Ernst, who said, you know what? It might be China. It might be Russia. Or it might be something unknown. (46:44) And I'm thinking... At this point, could it really be China or Russia? I'm understanding the heat that the world is taking right now with China and Russia. I get that. I'm actually surprised it wasn't brought up today, to be honest with you. But... A lot of these things that are being questions were already asked? That's my question. (48:17) I wish closed hearings didn't exist. I wish we could all be a part of them to really get an understanding of what's going on. But it seems either way, even though Kosloski was already prepared, like in the sense of he already had the closed hearing, he should have been totally prepared for the open hearing. (48:33) He sounded very nervous, very scared. Is it because he's not good at public speaking? Is it because there's information that ogance about him. Now, if he were to say anything true about what he researched when he was a part of Arrow, nobody would believe him. He could say anything. It could be so diddly darn true. And people would be like, nah, Kirkpatrick, you're just pulling my leg, you silly little goose. (50:02) And he's like, guys, no, I'm serious. This is insane. No one's going to take his word for it. And he did that to himself. Now, Kosloski, on the other hand, he's giving me a nicer version of Dr. Sean Kirkp me around, maybe with pilots, having them be more open to come forward? Kirsten Gillibrand had mentioned that she's very happy that the FAA is now cooperating with Arrow and pilots to release their UFO information. (51:50) Sorry to break it to you, but the FAA should have done that when they opened it. But no, they were like, what? Pilots releasing UFO information? Never heard of it. I don't know what's going on. And then now they're like, oh, yeah, we should definitely encourage pilots, shouldn o applaud I was like yeah that's pretty good stuff I agree why quest says catastrophic disclosure now yes I'm with you on that one and richard thank you so much for that as well I really appreciate you supporting the channel let's see let's see Flux says, Arrow wasted Justice Blade. (53:39) I want a refund. You and me both. I want one as well. But we're not getting one. Maybe we'll get some better information in the near future, like the Arrow Report Volume Two. We got Volume One in March, which . Michael says, Jilla brand new was going to be a waste of time, so why have it longer? Okay, I mean, maybe, but she sounds a little bit optimistic near the end of the hearing that Arrow is doing a great job. What can Congress do to help Arrow? She did help fund it originally when it changed from the AOI MSG over to Arrow as well. (55:42) She's really been... helping in the sidelines that I think that she's still optimistic about it, but because she was in the closed hearing, she was like, maybe y's stream, I'm going to finish it off with this. (57:16) What were your thoughts of this hearing? Do you think it's going to get better or worse or remain the same as the months continue? Let me know in the live chat. Let me know in the comments as well. That is it for today. I will see you next time. Be safe. And remember, keep your eyes on the skies. if you enjoy the strange and the mysterious ufos the paranormal and cryptids this channel is for you so make sure to subs