In this episode of Classics Remastered, we dig deep into the story of Bob Lazar, a scientist who gained worldwide attention in 1989 when he claimed he worked at a classified facility called S-4 near Area 51 in Nevada, where he allegedly reverse-engineered extraterrestrial spacecraft for the US government. Lazar asserted that he studied propulsion systems of nine alien spacecraft that used an element called "Element 115" as fuel, which at the time was undiscovered but was later synthesized in 2003. His explosive allegations about UFOs, alien technology, and government secrecy sparked intense debate in the UFO research community and mainstream media. While working at Los Alamos National Laboratory was confirmed, many of Lazar's other credentials and claims have been disputed. His story gained renewed interest following his appearance in the 2018 documentary "Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers" and interviews with Joe Rogan, making him a central figure in discussions about government UFO programs, Area 51 conspiracies, and alleged alien technology.

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This topic there is a lot of little bits and pieces to the story and hopefully we'll be able to go through the pros and the cons of the story neither of us are going to be leaning towards one side or the other but instead just trying to relay as many facts as possible do you want to kind of give the summary of the story or shall I well um normally we start off with you because you're so pragmatic you're so black and white you're so honest and you just go straight down the middle and you just (00:39) yeah so um let's let's let's let you continue the tradition uh who is Bob Lazar Christina here's just a very quick outline of the Bob Lazar story so back in 1989 this is when the general public first heard his name he was first an alleged physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory after graduating with a master's degree at M MIT later he was asked to join a project that looked at Advanced propulsion by the government after being recommended by Edward Teller who was the father of th e hydrogen bomb (01:17) he claimed that he had worked at a very secretive installation called S4 built into the side Mountain near Area 51 for about 6 to 8 months there he allegedly saw several crafts that appeared to be extraterrestrial in origin and was hired to attempt to reverse engineer a power reactor on at least one of them out of the several that he saw after a time he had stopped being called in by his supervisors because he had stated on multiple interviews that he worked very odd hour s and very odd days so he would only come in when he was called to come (01:56) in but at one point when the supervisors stopped calling him he began to feel very fearful so we started taking people such as his friends out to see some kind of craft that usually showed up on Wednesday nights he then talked to George knp who broke his story on the 5:00 news on the KV and it is now because of nap and Lazar that the public know about Area 51 and has become such a mainstream curiosity being featured in movies and TV shows today so that's a very very very basic outline of the story but there's a lot of holes and things that I (02:36) didn't cover in this very brief introduction that I hope we can address as much as we can later today to kind of understand what's going on and to help ourselves and the viewers come to their own conclusions to believe to want to believe Bob lazar's story or not there we go okay um that was a pretty good bio uh I would jump in and say that that bio sounds like u h it was written by Jeremy Corbell as as opposed to now I wrote it but oh you work for Corbell now we know see don't don't spread rumors Jimmy this how it starts (03:21) this is okay now um I I followed uh Bob from the absolute very beginning and and um I for for 30 years um I I was right there I was right there with Bob okay 30 years and we're now in 2021 things um started to shift for me just recently A couple of years ago but if you go and listen even to the first four or five or six years of uh Fade to Black um you will hear my comments about Bob and and what my position was but that being said um we need to back up uh a little bit because in the beginning um and I'm talking about 1989 (04:10) 1990 1991 92 in in through that period that three-year period um a lot of things surfaced uh with Bob there was a series of videos that were done uh that were excellent um I'm going to circle back to that there was another video of him him at uh the little ay Inn outside of Area 51 they set u p a military tent they had a they had a a little conference there and and he did an amazing question and answer um after that conference with the audience so um that combined with everything that George knp was doing uh back then and (04:51) and of course you know Jean Huff who helped him uh make those original series of videos but they they did a lot of stuff in the desert together Jean um and how he was pulled into this this all happened through uh John Lear so if we go back to the beginning b eginning uh the facts that have been presented that I think are are pretty clear um Bob was uh living in Las Vegas um Jean Huff uh knew Bob um didn't and for those that don't know Jean Hoff can you just give like a brief description of who he is Jean Hoff uh (05:30) was in uh realy um and one of the things that he did was he would give estimates um he was like a an inspector a home inspector and he would give estimates on property values and things like that for people that were buying and selli ng homes so that was uh his basic gig in Las Vegas and he gets called over to John Le's house and John is doing something financially with his home uh I don't know second mortgage or something like that needs needs uh uh the value assessed on his home and and Jean comes over to do this and his (06:13) assistant is Bob Lazar okay and so Bob is running the tape measures right they're measuring these room sizes and that is the Genesis that is the beginning that is the Pro inator of everything that do Valley uh I believe he lived in like you know R uh uh you know that area of the valley and attended Pierce College and now uh Pierce College is a small uh Community College um here in the valley uh you know you can go there and get your your two-year degree I guess and and and things like that but it's a small community college cool place drive by it all the time it's right there (08:22) there's Pierce and uh but it's funny how Pierce is part of this story because it's in my neighborhood and urprising to me for uh Bob to mention attending Caltech because it's part of the community here it's you know it's the San Gabriel Valley it's down the street and and Pasadena Caltech you have Pierce College over here here and the valley over here very small you can drive uh to all of these places very very quickly they're just miles apart and technically they're just all the same community in that uh Caltech is in (10:42) Pasadena JPL is in Pasadena this is next to Glendale which is next to Bur recommendations for this position at at Area 51 um and and so forth um that there's all of this is in dispute but uh but I think that we can confirm that yes Bob Met Ed tell on a park bench when Ed was reading the newspaper that had Bob on the cover with his jet car um so there you go so there are certain things that that that are in place in part of uh the historical record um I don't know about the Cal Tech stuff we'll we'll Circle back to that um but anyway all of this leads to (13:23) Bob e hese papers were saying when he got the job (15:11) later on when he was doing interviews one of them being with Joe Rogan he stated that when he was reading this information he he had this mindset of so this information can possibly be true the other bits and pieces probably aren't true because he he tood while working for the government there's always going to be some kind of disinformation so that if someone leaks information the people the military know exactly where it's coming from if they original videos that he posted and um and they were just fantastic I watch them uh if I say hundreds of times each it sounds (17:49) like I'm exaggerating but I probably did and there were times where I would watch them back to back to back to back to back all day long and I studied them and I and I was just amazed but if you go back and you watch those original videos and including the video at the little alien at that conference and including the series of stuff that was uh shot not only by Je errupted you on that I just I just want to like clean up what just happened and what I meant to say is that according to some out there Bob has you know bad and a questionable angle but it seems like and in my perspective you (20:29) know I don't know either way and I want to say thank you so much for being here first off because you've been following the story since the absolute very very beginning and I think having a Minds like being there from the beginning you're able to see things that oth hings with United nuclear and apparently have government contracts if there was issues about his past or or security clearances or anything how would he be allowed to continue um as a private citizen handling these types of materials so that always to Me Led Led more credibility uh to Bob you know and and why why wasn't he silenced why didn't (23:11) why wasn't he taken out why wasn't he put in prison why wasn't he sent to another Island why wasn't you know all of the if uh if he was revealing a hose were very public and uh one time we were uh I was hosting a panel and Staten is on that panel and I remember Stanton saying something about a propulsion system and and and things and how this thing could run in and he said a couple of thing and I just turned around and go well sounds pretty similar Stan to uh what Bob Lazar was talking about and Stanton's head spun around and and and I went okay obviously (25:56) I just went into a Zone I had no right going into in front of all of these peo 1) let's uh MIT and Caltech let's talk about this you young lady are a college student correct I saw post I saw your post uh uh last week I finally got all my assignments done right I was like okay she got it done on time all other UFO stuff getting in the way but let's talk about that for a second okay can you name your teachers NOP just yes or no nope you can't name any of your teachers no I just called them Professor okay that's not what I'm talking about okay and and uh do you have any (28:4 rsity but I did a lot of uh extension classes and I did this and I did went to this recording (30:53) school or this or that I've got diplomas certificates things pictures video things that go back 20 30 years okay um I still have certificates of completion uh from UCLA extension going back to 1989 oh dang Bob surface and and I just save all that stuff right and with with Caltech or with MIT you had better have something you've got papers that you have written you have tests that you have taken analyzed that was shot the video that I love at Area 51 and somebody at Area 51 in the audience said hey who's your professor at Caltech and he blurts out a name and whatever his (33:47) name uh was you know it was uh it was Robert bumgardner I'm making it up um uh you know Bartholomew uh whatever and so he he blurts out this name and people take note they write that down and it turned out that that professor at Caltech that he loved was like his electronics teacher in seventh grade in junior hi n I almost had the most generic Spanish name and that was going to be Maria but then my mom was like absolutely not there cannot be another Maria in this world but um then we have John music thank you and it says fraver said his he and his wife hung out (36:15) with and our friends with Lazar and his wife also we need Nap on because he said he's verified more of lazar's accounts over time gut feeling says Lazar is legit but regardless we all have to unify for disclosure that's interesting becaus before a certain age where obviously uh there wasn't enough time there to do any of that you need to you need to somehow get that story together how how how did you go to MIT how did you go to MIT were you were you jumping on a plane every day in Albuquerque New Mexico and and and and you know flying flying home on the weekends to work at Los Alamos and (38:59) you're going to MIT at the same time how do you do that or are are you doing this from from Las Vegas in between you know developing a f that in type that in somebody take a guess how many people graduate with a Physics degree in the United States each year type that in type that in and and and somebody just freak out because that number was so low a lot of numbers here Z Bill said 990,000 no no yeah sunnym is closer with a hundred okay oh oh oh but to answer your question about how we got to MIT so Schoolcraft found a quote from Dreamland and it says I was grateful to the folks (41:50) at messen for sending me to MIT to further 07) Lazar at Los Alamos as a physicist I've never heard any physicist say that they worked with Bob Lazar at Los Alamos but maybe Bob stopped by uh to put in a new power supply on their computer you know as a as some kind of tech that was on staff but he wasn't there in a physics lab and and and I'll give you another example physicists do one thing then then I'm going to swing back to the element 115 search this is the other point everybody just listen to me for a second physicist are math they bad you know and I'm just like I'm taking I'm I'm all in you (46:39) know and and I did it for years years years years okay um uh never saw Bob write out that equation though andin Aon has a question it says uh well first it says Jimmy you're so wrong have you heard of an experimental physicist physicist not a theoretical experimental how does a non-ph physicist mount a rocket engine on a car with with a pair of pliers and a couple of screws that's how you do it has nothing to do with physics y 's the amount of money on that too as well it it you know and I know that many people have done the math but um that would indicate him working out there for uh a few hours in a week you know uh you (49:20) know whatever 10 hours in a whatever it's a very very low number it's not uh it doesn't indicate that he was out there for a year it doesn't indicate that he was out there for a day a week a week day it's it's very um it's a very strange number you would expect it to be a bigger number to bac they're dumb thanks bottled water uh that that's an interesting statement so it seems like you want except Bob never said that that W2 was wrong and he never said it was jacked up no no no yes bottle of water sure absolutely dude mistakes happen on W2s absolutely the Office of Naval (51:56) intelligence screwed it up I don't know I don't know okay now let's let's let's swing back around again I am going to say for 30 years I took a bullet for Bob Lazar I did I I fought this and everybody that ca piece of uranium little piece of gold little piece of lead right little piece of salt you know whatever it is right and and and they collect the elements on the periodic chart and and so you know radium you know um and and some of these are very very deadly okay right so there's a murder investigation somebody was killed somebody was killed by (54:54) D radiation poisoning right okay so uh during this murder investigation and you can go and look all of this up the cart documents the search warr hat he sold a murder suspect who killed somebody that's why they were there when I now and this is my point to all of this up up to that I'm on The Bob Lazar train I'm there and I watch this unfold I see what's going on in Detroit I see the murder investigation I go and I look at all the court materials and I see that that's what's happening but what is actually happening is Corel and Lazar continue to play this element 115 raid of the house game and that is misleading (57:55) Bob knew they were story but (59:35) later on as the years came forward he stated and when talking with Lazar on this they kind of felt in some respects that it's very possible that both Lazar and nap were used as a pond to go ahead and push out this information as being a part of some kind of agenda of course these are merely gut Feelings by nap when he did an interview with the um Politico uh Netherlands I think it was what it was called and I can find it but it was an interview in just a few years ago when talk of a kit what do you say to that no no no um that's okay did everybody hear what I (1:02:18) just said it was a murder investigation and they found out the element and the type of radiation that was used us and they found out that they purchased the murder suspect purchased this from Bob Lazar they needed to go to Bob lazar's office get the receipt to tie the murder suspect into this murder investigation had nothing to do with Bob Lazar so stop it Bob Lazar was not part of that it was a murder er 2015 it was recognized as one of the four new elements by The Joint working party of international scientific bodies the IU Pac and the IU Pap on the 28th of (1:04:52) November 2016 it was officially named after the Moscow blast which uh in which the j i NR is situated okay here you go moscovium 290 has a halflife of only 65 seconds that's what it is not a millionth of a second 65 seconds in the periodic table it is a p block uh uh transac tide element it is a member of the seventh period and bsolutely uh that happened I have a friend of M wolf McCarron and he's a great guy uh will be at my house uh for the party this Saturday wolf is uh the original guy along with Bill Cooper and Bob Lazar and Jean Hal that was out at Area 51 in in 1990 filming these craft and and uh all (1:07:49) of this film and video that you see from Area 51 back in the day is Wolf's video uh he shot thousands of hours of video from uh tickoo Peak and the areas around there of Area 51 and he was constantly up th ms as well it's pretty insane because it seems like based off the dirt road it is incredibly difficult to take just a casual bus there it apparently would get practically demolished and um on a side note thank you so much good Tom King and Jaz Shaw for your super chats you guys are fantastic and we have about about 10 minutes left and there's we're probably (1:10:28) going to end up doing a part two of bobazar there's a lot of things that we haven't covered yet but there there's one thing I want r lab to to be a a Furniture storage unit and and from right then and right there their partnership ended but what I'm trying to get at is there are very few people that have admitted having encounters with Lazar but one of them being a very renowned and credible person such as Bigalow and he stated that he believes the story mainly from a gut feeling but also from attempting to trap him in into telling that the story isn't true and I found that very interesting did you hear that story yes and u we don't give that information out over the phone boom and they're going to hang because they don't (1:15:01) they don't do that they don't do it today and to go and find somebody's PhD or something go on the Internet and try to see if somebody went to law school at a certain College a friend of your you can't find it unless that there's something the school's not going to disclose you need a court order you need a writ from the Oval Office to get education information uh out of of some school i that one little thing about the element 115 raid which wasn't true is what me uh made me just kind of back up just kind of toss up my hands and say you know what I'm just going to have (1:17:27) to let this one go I'll let everybody else fight about it but I'm no I'm no longer part of this game yeah I I can relate to that I would like to say thank you to bottled water once again and it says one final Super Chat for Christina go get some good ramen and for guys that don't know I just made a new do that I I kind of want to end it on this note before I do the outro and kind of what Stanton Freeman said in one of his interviews when talking about Bob Lazar and it says sincerity is not a check on truth and a lot of people say that Lazar has a lot has a lot of sincerity when he tells the story but Stant knowing his standpoint (1:19:56) that he takes he says that it does not equal truth so I would like to add yeah and and it you know Bob uh if you remember I I said to Christina the other day look let's get over the Ross um everybody thank you so much and and uh a great conversation today I'm very P it reminds me of and I know we got to go when when Stanton would start talking about Bob would would happen to him and his his voice would get louder and louder and he just you know start just feel this was crazy and and sometimes I find myself doing the same thing I'm all calm now let's uh let's now for now (1:22:19) that's going to change um fast Eddie thank you 

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