2024 Skinwalker Ranch Team Interview Season 5

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my current understanding of the physics is that the kinds of things that would have to be present at the ranch to generate those effects would also have uh catastrophic effects on on the ranch if not the entire Earth whatever we're dealing with has the ability to mask its identity to engage using stealth and again manipulate the environment in really disturbing ways I I've had experiences myself where I know I was in interacting with something that I would classify more as some kind of technological construct or or something of that nature but then I've also had experiences on the other side where I definitely think it was more your Crossing Lines of something spiritual with us today is the owner of Skinwalker Ranch and the majority of his team thank you guys for taking the time to be here I really appreciate it it's good to be with you Christina thank you so much and thank you for your support and efforts to to address these topics there are very few people that are willing to address Frontier topics head on like you have demonstrated over the course of the last few years and we we've considered you an ex an extended member of the team if you will uh as you've you've helped us disseminate kind of a lot of the discoveries and uh material that we've been amassing over the course of our investigation that started back in 2016 thank you that is really nice um to to build on that since our first Skinwalker Ranch interview Roundtable back in April of 2023 a lot has happened on the ranch since and Eric I'm going to start off with you because last year it was mentioned by Dr Travis Taylor that time is at the center of this mystery and since our initial conversation have you found any new information data or evidence that promotes that theory ah this flirts with SP spoilers um I'm sure the rest of you guys know exactly what events I'm thinking of well you know I think everybody here knows that I tend towards the more auster interpretation of things you know and work my way towards the more interesting or exotic ones um certainly we continue to see things happening that affect um the instrumented reportage of time the passage of time we see things happening with often with time stamps we see things uh discontinuities in the data we see changes in the apparent rate at which uh transfer is taking place whether it's uh uh you know something as common as playing music you know we've had devices I don't know how specifically I can get into this but we've had devices that are you know playing something whose timing we might pick up on with our ears and having it Go all over the map uh these kinds of things have been uh you know those familiar with the program especially insiders will uh recognize that we've had a lot of these issues especially in the homestead 2 area you know we see a lot of that going on uh with assets specifically inside of that that uh that structure the main house uh but we've also seen these things play out at the triangle where we have devices that um see I don't want again I don't I don't want to put any spoiler material out there but we've had devices um get out of sync by how much time ah you'll have to wait to see that I'm sorry if that's evasive but but but but yes we see and again uh going back to my sort of um dis claer at the beginning of this what we are seeing would have to be generally categorized as interferences with devices that measure time and as you know hand inand with that there are devices you know famously the GPS and gnss devices that keep up with location and we've seen some abrupt significant displacements in the reported positions of Those sensors and you know time is is a big part of that so Travis is spoton when he's talking about time uh that is definit itely uh on the short list of suspects uh interesting topics short list of suspects can you go into more detail on that yeah sure so I mean you know if you know you mentioned U spatial or SpaceTime effects um my current understanding of the physics is that the kinds of things that would have to be present at the ranch to generate those effects would also have uh catastrophic effects on on the ranch if not the entire Earth so there's something going on there's something going going on uh that is uh interfering with our ability to consistently measure time and and so when I speak of suspects I'm talking about the things that might be responsible for those interferences you know and the full range of things you know it could be anything from technological look there is jamming technology out there we don't know if there are Bad actors involved or there could in fact be some of the more interesting and even exotic physics that you hear us refer to you know we try to treat all of those subjects I don't know if get equal air time you know through all the venues but we really try to keep all of those simultaneously in mind thank you for explaining that and Mr Brandon fugle how is the research conducted at Skinwalker Ranch contributed to our understanding of the relationship between Consciousness and physical reality in your opinion well that's a good question because I do believe these topics in the the front science realm that we are delving into out here at the ranch demonstrates that there is a a mechanism a foot that involves Consciousness in fact whatever we are interacting with whatever entities forces we are interacting with at Skinwalker Ranch seem to be able to size up the individuals that enter the property uh we've heard many refer to it as The Hitchhiker effect where you know certain phenom phena will follow people home uh after they leave the ranch uh but even on the property people have uh participants even those uh members of our team that have gone public uh with some of these episodes will attest to the fact that that the environment appears to react to intent and volition those who have brought an adversarial attitude to the ranch or or motive uh seem to encounter uh negative effects and phenomena and when you you discuss the topic of SpaceTime and the fact that we're dealing with with entities or some type of intelligence that has the ability to manipulate closed computer systems very sophisticated technology platforms as well I believe sometimes the perception of those involved it uh it speaks to something much more complex at work um so I I I I will also say and I'll let Eric Bard chime in as principal investigator one of the topics that uh Eric has has uh tackled involves remote viewing and I think you're going to see the release of some material some information information and data uh relative to remote viewing efforts uh relative to uh the ranch and really some of the the external topics when it comes to oh go ahead Eric please you know I I think we have um above the noise you know I think we have the stat statistics to support that there is something going on as Brandon has pointed out um that is at least noteworthy when it comes to uh what we're thinking about uh where the focus of our uh attention is what we might be um even sort of excited about or apprehensive about and the events that then play out you know it's there's the subjective side and there's the objective side um everyone you're speaking with today has had the experience even Brandon you recognize this from just last night everyone on our team has had the experience also of of having exactly the same impression or the exact same phrase however quirky the word you know the expression may be you know we'll think the exact same thing and you know an example from just early this morning or last night you know uh I believe I sent a message to Brandon I believe it was about a little after 6 PM um I was in the middle of uh writing a response to a good question from a few of our in insiders um also uh working on a technical project I interrupted that abruptly for no particular reason and uh started to compose another message to Brandon at that moment of course you sent me uh your question or your Overture and yeah it might have been close to four in the morning and so you know I immediately asked Brandon well when did you decide that you were going to send that message you know hours have passed and it was just this moment that it occurred to me to re-engage and I think every one of us here can speak to that you know you know Bryant I'm reminded of something I don't know if you've shared about this I'm reminded of something that you experienced uh when you uh went out to go find a a a missing rocket I don't know if you're comfortable talking about that but you know again I guess the point being that there's it's it's multi it's multi ceral it's not just uh the ranch reacting if you will to what we're perhaps thinking but it but it may in fact be bidirectional uh and it may be something that's going on between members of our team right and I and I can piggyback that I think each of us have had an experience where like we'll say things Eric will be we'll have a topic of conversation I can only speak to myself but I've seen all of us I've seen all of us doing that do this is where we'll be talking and I'll use a phrase out of my butt that I I don't know what it means but it comes to mind and I'll say it and Eric looks at me he's like why in the world did you say that because I literally was thinking the exact same thing phrasing it identically like that why did you ask it in that way or why did you say it in that way and I be like I don't know so I'm gaining like I'm gaining this incredible knowledge and vocabulary that like literally pops out of nowhere we're having these types of conversations and I see everybody else smiling because I think each and every one of us has had that experience where we will have the same thought at The Identical time and say it and Eric's like what the crap that was my thought why did you end up speaking it the way that it came out and and we've seen that happen you know going back to what you mentioned you know there was this time we had had this crazy night of launching a whole bunch of big Rockets it might have been the day after we had the cat atrophic failure of the great big one and we wanted to get the instruments and the equipment back out of this rocket and it was one of those days we'd been up all night and I could not get out of my head that I had to go look for that thing it was like one of the rare mornings that we had off that we weren't filming and I was just like I fought it and fought it and I thought no you're not going to go find it and literally it was like it was driving me forward to go find this rocket and we had looked all over everything and literally I jumped in one of the vehicles and started driving and just without question I was told like it came to my head why don't you just look up right here on the hillside where I had scoured the night before and sure enough literally I got out and just started walking and walked right to the thing I don't know why it wasn't that I had some inkling as to where it was going to be or anything like that but it was almost as if I was it it was like I got that itch where the last thing I wanted to do was go hike around on the Mesa and find a stupid rocket that's Travis's domain he loves to do that stuff me I didn't want to but it was like I couldn't not and I literally walked right to it after having spent hours and hours the night before trying to find thing so there are definitely times where stuff comes into your brain that you don't know why it's there and I can't help but think that there is an intelligence there that sometimes connects our cognitive and you know again as a team we end up almost being of the same mind for whatever reason so then in in regards to the Consciousness aspect can I ask all of your opinions if based on your experiences research and conclusions that you are tending to lean towards the theory that you're dealing with either a non-human sensient or a group of non-human intelligences what can you share about this aspect and I'm going to start off with Thomas um the the quick easy answer is I don't know U one thing I will say is I've witnessed enough experienced enough on the ranch to say that I I feel a high level of confidence that whatever it is there is an intelligence behind it I've seen too many um anomalies and strange events take place that were they appear to be very specific and targeted towards the person that they were happening and the thing is we can be standing there on a ranch in a group and we can have one or two or three individuals out of a group of us that have an experience and uh you know we don't know why that is we've been looking for you know do we share the same blood type do we have we we look obviously for any identifying factors that could link that together but but we've had a lot of various things happen where um just very Target very specific even down to instruments you know flashing someone's personal bank card number that they use on like their you know their number that they use for everything so it's it's witnessing lots of those things that make me think there's got to be an intelligence behind it watching the telescopes and and seeing only the stars that were interested in observing being removed off of this heartb bured drive um things like that that just you can't I I come away and I say I I can't come to any other conclusion then there is some type of intelligence now what that is I I don't know yeah to be honest I don't know that I wouldn't even guess yeah Christina what Thomas witon is referencing is we we brought out some dignitaries uh in the past one was a very prominent venture capitalist sits on a number of boards uh and is heavily involved with a lot of very high-profile business Endeavors in Utah uh and he accompanied the president of Utah Valley University UVU which is President AST tuminez uh in in addition to us finding out that president tuminez who speaks Russian fluently could actually Converse on the spot with Eric Bard in Russian uh fluently which was great to witness we also saw this individual while hiking up to the Mesa to see the Masonic symbol that many have said you know symbolizes As Above So Below upon reaching that symbol his trifield meter started just peing completely peaking acting erratically and then it locked in on a sequence of numbers that uh he he described as being very uncanny uh it was actually the the phone number of his child childhood home that he uses uh for certain passwords and has since uh since he was young and he he he was in a State of Shock at why it would lock in on that numerical sequence which by the way is not not really it's it's not a sequence that would be uh naturally or or conventionally shown on that trifield meter uh something was manipulating the device to display that presumably is a message to him that that that it was aware of him aware of his most sensitive data his most sensitive information and it left him shocked I mean we still see each other and and reflect on that day that same day we had uh other visitors who experienced everything from electromagnetic anomalies to another individual whose iPhone was completely drained and never worked properly it was a brand new phone that they had to have replaced within days following their visit to the ranch so interesting thing uh to see the the ranch interact with someone on the level of Consciousness and that's probably one of the the more recent and bizarre uh occurrences that that we've documented I think it does s it does sound that way it does and and I know hopefully I'm not stealing anyone else's Thunder but there's been so many different times where we've prepared and thought and discussed of of some sort of an experiment or some sort of an activity that we're going to do and it seems like the more that we think about it and the more that we prep for it it almost feels like our efforts are more thwarted some of the off the cuff you know things that have just happened on a whim where you know hey let's try this real quick has actually resulted in more results or more findings you know example is you know the blob thing that was just an off thee CU cuff let's go launch a rocket tonight and then all that sort of thing happened whereas you know when we prepare and we discuss and we talk about these things gosh so many times I mean and I know the guys can speak to this I saw Eric nodding his head it's seems as though whatever intelligence there is which makes me lean to answer your question I think that there is an intelligence there just because it seems like it's way too many times a coincidence when it's happened multiple multiple multiple times to where we're actually thinking of what we want to do and then something thwarts those efforts in a way whether it's an equipment malfunction or a battery dying or something of that nature it just seems that there has has to be some sort of an intelligence there and again whether it's something Supernatural or non-sentient you know whatever that long word that we like to use is um what is the term what do you want to rehearse the term Eric that we all inherited from Colonel John Alexander I believe to describe portal phenomenon yeah you know so we have this construct that's been put into uh print pretty interesting string of words it's a sentient precognitive non-human intelligence and if we unpack that you know I think we all know what sentient means precognitive uh implies something about forn knowledge or something anticipating events before they happen at least as we perceive them on a timeline non-human I think speaks for itself um and so you know just for completeness and I know we've all talked about this and I've heard these these guys speak very eloquently to this point um it isn't clear what the directionality of the effect is you know like what's the source and you know um you know what I'm thinking of I guess we've all seen those experiments involving uh mirrors being put up in the wild and observing uh the responses of of wildlife to the mirrors um and some species evidently recognize that yeah that's that's an image of me uh Others May uh challenge whatever the image is and alert to it and want to fight with it you know I've seen I've seen one I've seen my dog do that um you know where it's just a reflection and I think the question is you know are we kind of put in a similar situation where it isn't clear whether we're dealing with another quote unquote someone or whether in fact what we're seeing are reflections of our own cognitive process these are some really interesting questions to search out I don't know that I feel equipped to uh bring resolution to those but I sure am uh interested in collecting the data to build the case those kinds of questions really do bring in an aspect of humility and you know you you can really summarize that like you know that kind of hat print term I think is being almost Godlike a type three kind of civilization would appear to be Godlike I think Mastery over time and physics and ways that we just can hardly guess and so maybe that could also be a factor to this now Caleb I want to throw a question over to you because Thomas had mentioned are we all the same blood type me not included in in the group of we but do you have an answer to that are you guys all the same blood type uh not to my knowledge I think we are all across the morgage board really on our blood types like I I I want to I know I'm an O positive you know and I'm all right with saying that um but I know there's some A's and there's some B's and some that might be close but from what I understand we're all different and while I still have you right here in your capacity of ranch security have you been alerted to anything unexpected intruding on the ranch even to the point of chasing away off the property that you believe was nonhuman um I know we've had I don't think I've ever had the experience like we're chasing something off property that we we don't know what it is or anything like that um but I can tell you that you know fellow law enforcement and other individuals in the in the area have told me about their encounters if you will and thing and experiences that they've had in in other areas of the Basin from you know from the mountains to areas very close to the ranch maybe just very near off property um with where they're encountering things you again across the board uh kind of coming back back to like the intelligence thing um I've had experiences myself where I know I was in interacting with something that I would classify more as some kind of technological construct or or something of that nature but then I've also had experiences on the other side where I definitely think it was more you're crossing the lines of something spiritual and then I've also had experiences again where other individuals are telling me that they've experienced from Craft to interacting with something like a shade figure or or something is along those lines that they've described um and it's all over the place out here but for whatever reason yes the this the ranch is it seems like the focal point or um we've had the discussion that a lot of people have mentioned like a Gateway or some kind of portal or something is you know the word portal always comes up that maybe the ranch for whatever reason is you know this place that is the center for where these beings or whatever they are are coming from well we're definitely having close encounter type of events and interactions I mean k Caleb can attest to that and I didn't mean to interject but I think it'd be important you may want to rehearse Caleb the event uh that played out where you and Dr Taylor observed and actually confront HED uh something that appeared there near really your your little campsite at the the the area that you were visiting uh they're just uh to the yeah to the east of uh of the ranch house in Homestead one yeah um yeah everybody on the team remembers this that night um we were out barbecuing essentially one night after we got done filming and just kind of relaxing and I remember at one point you know we started kind of hitting on some pretty serious subjects and and really kind of bringing up some questions that we all had as a team at that point because I I I think at that point in the investigation we were still ourselves really questioning if there was really anything you know crazy going on out there and I just remember uh Tom and Eric were uh talking and I I remember seeing them kind of at one Point bring their heads close together and start whispering about something and later I found out that they had talked about like the energy or something had shifted but the for about 15 20 minutes I was actually thinking that we were being watched and I kept hearing this sound where it sounded like an electrical arcing uh or some kind of popping sound and I just again felt like my the her my back was standing on the back of my neck was standing up and something was coming closer something was watching us and I finally had to let the guys know hey I feel like we're being washed I feel like something's listening to us or something and I got up and I and you know initially we thought that we were going to run into like a cougar or something um some kind of wildlife on the ranch that was like stalking us or something and so I had my pistol drawn out and I had a flashlight on it and that's one reason why I drew it so I could see and and we me and Travis went walking around this old trailer that's sitting there on the property um and essentially we come into contact with this object that's about 20 to 30 feet away from us um we determined it was about five to six feet long and maybe about five to six feet tall and as my and I remember as I was coming around this uh house or this trailer that's out there um I SW my pistol one way and as I'm bringing it back the other way Travis starts yelling and announcing what he's seeing and I'm swinging my pistol back over and I remember seeing a flash of light go across it similar to like sunlight going over water and um and then another a globe of light coming across the center of it and as I saw this light coming across the surface I could see like what looked like panel of some kind and the the surface of this kind of reflecting or almost appearing almost like maybe Rippling effect of some kind similar to like what you would think of in well you you and Dr Taylor were in pursuit of whatever this anomalous entity or object was and upon you know flashing your lights and your your firearm toward toward that direction not only did it reflect back to you but uh but it quickly disappeared and you whatever we're dealing with has the ability to mask its identity to to um to engage using stealth uh and and again manipulate the environment in in really disturbing ways so I mean we're we're dealing with a diversity of Origins and agendas as manifest by the data and the observations that continue to be presented to the general public is this is this the Predator entity that you're referring to or is this a different one no that's what we were that's pretty much what we compare it to because of we think it's that cloaking effect is what we were seeing and essentially and this is where it's like I don't know if it was just happened to be that same moment but as I started thinking is this actually a threat to me and do I need to engage this with my own my own force is when it either closed in on itself and disappeared or it rotated on its Center but when it did that both Travis and I had the distinct feeling that it went North across the canal and up the Mason so we went running after it to see if we could continue engaging with it somehow and then I want to say a couple weeks after that maybe a week I want to say Tom and Travis had a potential interaction with it again but to say it was the same thing I I don't think we could really say it was but we had a lot of really interesting interactions like that within a short amount of time yeah it it appears I think if you look at the data you look at the the different types of phenomena observed in in that environment it it seems to underscore that there's a divers of agendas and Origins at play it's not I mean some of it's malevolent some of it's negative I mean we've had people end up injured or have negative experiences even ending up in the hospital and we've had others that have peaceful interactions it's feel a sense of Peace in that environment uh trying to understand and get to the bottom of it as well as documenting the reality of the phenomena is our you know is is our Focus as it should be now Thomas from your understanding when it comes to deceased cattle cattle mutilations or even missing animals have you noticed a pattern in it being seasonal or is it just completely random no I don't think I don't well thank goodness we haven't had enough livestock die to really establish any pattern um but with the few that have I don't uh I mean we had one in late October we've had one in August we've had one I I as I look over them I don't know that we can pinpoint that and say that they were uh a calendar you know there's any kind of calendar pattern to it or or even say weather necessarily um you know one happened when it was cold and other one was when it was hot so not any patterns I have been able to see U maybe maybe Eric has seen otherwise but I haven't been able to discern anything well Thomas you know if we take into account things that have been shared with us before our time you know going back at least until the 1980s while we don't necessarily see a temporal pattern there might be some spatial clustering you know some locations on the ranch where these things tend to happen I see everyone's everyone knows what I'm talking about I could probably finish the thought um you know we've had it shared with us that in particular this fence line line uh you know we have this what I refer to as the East field you know there's a fence line that runs north and south um you know right up here to the command center right the the U what we call the ranch house and towards the South and you know there there does seem to be a clustering of um cattle deaths along that fence line now you know of course I've I floated some ideas about why we might be finding them there you know praic ideas in other words um but I think there's more than that going on honestly um well when you when you have accounts that go back many many years I mean you go back decades long before Sherman the Sherman family or Bigalow back to the Meyers era of ownership uh that that come from credible firsthand witness accounts uh of the bizarre cattle mutilation activity being documented and encountered I mean we've had you know retired you Sheriff you know Deputy Sheriff Chris porit who's gone on record relative to his experience uh responding to events on the ranch and inspecting these bizarre cattle mutilation events as as well as other strange activity even UFO activity but you have Beyond law enforcement you have private individuals in fact very respected individuals in the community that have independently come forward with their own firsthand accounts where they have had Witnesses with them credible Witnesses with them that uh that go back to as well we we've had one recently that came to us with an incident from 1979 and um and a history that even goes back to the 19 30s with the old homesteaders uh we had uh the lock family and was it Christopher lock who came forward with with the the family history and record that has been passed down of strange events that go back nearly a hundred years on the property that's really interesting and I think it's really awesome that people are coming to you willing to tell their stories cuz I know for a while as soon as you had bought the property until like maybe like the first or second season people were having difficulty coming to you and relaying their encounters but it seems that recently it's becoming more prevalent now Eric I got to ask you this question and I think it's on a lot of people's minds what benefits have you noticed um after working with Omnitech the AI company and how has it been integrated into your research well that's a great question you know clearly uh folks familiar with the work that's going on here in the offseason know that there's quite a bit of uh load balancing that needs to take place uh you know uh Omnitech came to us as you know it's been more than a year ago a couple years ago I guess um and uh you know one of their strengths is uh platform development and the aggregation of data from different sensor types and different sources um with an eye towards uh modern techniques including artificial intelligence you know uh machine learning is probably the better term here um So currently on the ranch to speak more concretely to your question uh we have a set of what I call multiphysics boxes they may have another name uh basically these are uh installations of devices that are looking at things like uh received RF power over a given range you know coming into an antenna uh looking at um magnetic perturbations uh changes in the direction and strength of magnetic field also of course GPS deviations um you know a wide range of sensors that can be put into these nodes and then brought back into a central database um look a lot of that work is still U formative uh we're not quite as far down that pathway as I think we would all like um but uh I have as recently as a couple of days ago had some interactions where we've been talking about uh even some new techniques involving uh a larger number of distributed devices being brought into a central model where we can in real time visualize what's going on so I'm really glad to have um some additional Manpower um on this problem set well and and uh maybe just add a little bit to that you know what Omnitech brings with with this new um some of these new sensors and boxes that Eric's talking about you know we're trying to disperse those across the rench and so um some of those fit in you know plug and play nice with what we already had and some of them required us to kind of go back to square one and and start over and so integrating and and really bringing those in has been a massive undertaking um the amount of infrastructure that we have put into the ranch over the last 18 months has been incredible and we're we're reaching new places that we've never been able to reach before and adding instruments that haven't been but but it you know this is a this is a longterm uh partnership and and so there's been so much you know some of these places we had