UFOs and the Catholic Church: The Hidden Connection

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Hello and welcome to this episode of Mysteries with a History. And in the final years, Pope Francis made two remarkable statements about extraterrestrial life. And we're going to get into those rather shortly. You know what? I'm not even going to do a fancy intro today. Hello and welcome to this episode where we explore everything strange and mysterious. Let's play the intro. What a great way to start the show, right, Jimmy? Just straight to the point. We have, we honestly have so much to cover today. I thought why, why give the intro? Why give the preface when we could just get straight into it, right? Yeah. Let's see how much we can catch Jimmy by surprise. Yeah. Let's do that. That sounds like a great idea. Hey everyone. How you doing? Changing it up. I'm wearing my Nazca shirt today for the show because we're doing ancient stuff today. Well, modern, but ancient. Ancient, but modern. Mix of both. Yeah, modern, ancient. That's a new thing for you ufologists. That's a new term that we are using. Modern, ancient. Modern, but ancient? Modern, ancient. Or mancient? Mancient. Oh, wow. Coming in strong there, Gomez. Coming in strong. This episode, obviously timely, we have the passing of Pope Francis. That happened a few days ago. And when that was announced, I was watching the UFO community do their reaction to this. And I had all of those thoughts come into play. that we're going to be covering on today's show. And going back, so I don't have to ask you today where you came up with the idea for today's show, but probably about ten years ago, this is uh, the Vatican, the Vatican observatory, the baptism of aliens. Uh, what were the Vatican's thoughts and takes on all of this? And I did a lot of, uh, shows with Danny Sheehan who was working with the Vatican at the time as, as their attorney and legal representation. And the, the stuff that was coming out of the Vatican was pretty, uh, it was shocking. I mean, not only for the UFO community, but for the rest of the world and Catholics around the world, too, as well. These statements coming out when we know about the Vatican's history, not only with this subject, but with astronomy, persecution, what happened to Galileo and so forth. And anybody that stepped outside of the Vatican's dogma was persecuted, even killed, right? And so to have this surprising turn of events, and then, of course, we'll be talking about the Vatican Observatory, for example, which is the exact opposite of the Vatican's position for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, right? Yeah, you're muted, but you can give it another shot there, kid. And when you find out that when the observatory was created is also very strange. It first started in the in the fifteen hundreds. You're like, whoa, hold on. When was Galileo in house arrest? Right. Like those are all the things that came to mind when doing the research on the Vatican Observatory in particular. It was very strange. Yeah, yeah, very strange. And we can't lose sight of something that is very fundamental here, Christina, which is this. We look at, and when I say we, I'm talking about academia and the rest of the world. When we look at where we are right now with technology and our evolution, that we generally look at the last four hundred years as modern science. And the reason why that timestamp is put there is Galileo and Copernicus. That's why that four hundred year period. And it started with them. And the heliocentric view of the stars in the sky, the position of the earth and the sun, and what was the center of everything. And we have to really look at it like that's the worldview of today. Back then, if you, and I can't stress this enough, if you weren't in line and lockstep with the church, it was a bad day. was a bad day and and we we look back not only copernicus but and and galileo of course and how this expanded our view of science and in the universe but also the possibility of what else was out there right was god's creation only here on earth or does it encompass everything else and all of the other planets that are out there And are there other beings that were created, quote, in God's image? You know, is there life beyond our solar system? And that started... And not only that, Jimmy, but it seems that with every generation of new popes that are appointed, they seem to be more and more open-minded. The one before Pope Francis had spoken about ETs on one occasion, then Francis... What about our next one that we're going to get? Because we're in a very different environment. The conversation about UFOs and E.T. has become much more mainstream. People are more curious about the topic and are willing to ask the questions versus feeling fear within them to ask people such as, Pope Francis questions about UFOs. And so the first mention that I was able to come across was in twenty fourteen. And I have the quotes here that I'd like to share with you, because in this interview at the in a homily about acceptance and inclusion, Pope Francis used an example of Martians coming to earth seeking baptism to illustrate the Catholic Church's openness. And he asked, quote, Martians came here and one of them said, I want to be baptized. What would happen? And he described that these Martians, they were green with long noses and big ears, kind of like a children's drawing. That's how we described this back in twenty fourteen. But then he continues with we should not reject the living presence of God in various forms, questioning when the Lord shows us the way. Who are we to say, no, Lord, we won't do that? No, let's do it this way. Who are we to close the doors? And then he continued with, if they asked, any entity, no matter how many tentacles it has, has a soul. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so let's frame that statement based on what? is their knowledge in the vast Vatican archives and their collection of information over nearly fifteen hundred years or longer that they have been collecting stuff, artifacts, writings, books, evidence. Is it based on that? Is there a knowledge inside of the Vatican about an ET presence? Now, going back to, you know, Jesus and God and the universe and angels and things in the sky and the heavens, and what does that represent? Is the heavens the universe and the rest of space? Well, is this framed on that knowledge? And one would have to say... Probably so. And what is the Pope exposed to? If the Pope, who is the leader, right, of the Catholic Church, does he have the ability to ask questions? And get answers. Is he handcuffed? Is he hogtied like elected officials are here in the United States and possibly around the world? I don't know, but is the Pope, uh, able to get to these things? Now there was that. Two thousand and fourteen interview was amazing. A couple of things happened immediately after that in two thousand and fifteen. I know you want to talk about this. He was asked. Now this was two thousand and fourteen. And then in, in he was asked whether there could be thinking beings. Now remember Martians and that Martian expedition, those were Pope Francis words. Okay, that wasn't some type of metaphor or something that was injected into his statement. Martian expedition to Earth was his words. So in two thousand fifteen, when he was asked whether there could be thinking beings, aliens or ET elsewhere in the universe. He said, and I quote, honestly, I wouldn't know how to answer. He didn't say I wouldn't know. He said, I wouldn't know how to answer, but in every case, I think that we should stick to what the scientists tell us. Now, isn't that in direct contradiction to how they dealt with Galileo, right? Exactly, and Bruno. Yes, and Bruno. Oh, who was killed? Burnt at the stake, of course. We need to listen to what the scientists tell us. Still aware that the creator is in infinitely greater than our knowledge. The universe and the world in which we live is not the result of chance or chaos, but of divine intelligence, end quote. That's a powerful statement, isn't it? It is, especially with the people that he was in connection with. He met with all of the world leaders. He met with everyone who had power during his time and. And also, he has full access to the Vatican archives, which is fifty miles long, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of ancient manuscripts into modern manuscripts that, by the way, to get access to to those archives. Right. It's a whole process. You have to be interviewed. You have to be screened to get a pass to get into the Vatican archives. And they only give about a thousand passes a year. But the idea of being interviewed to get a pass to me is so strange. But if we think that he spent a lot of his time in the archives reading all the manuscripts that he possibly could, and the same What would also need to be mentioned is there's always been this underlying idea that the Catholic Church knows a lot more than what they're leading on, especially when it comes to UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Could there be answers in the archives? Now, some would say yes, some would say no. Well, I'm going to say something that we have to ask ourselves. I'm going to say something a little controversial. All right. But just it is what it is. About twenty years ago, two thousand five or so, like right in there, I met and didn't become friends, but we knew each other. The gentleman that was the head. the vatican archives lived here in los angeles by the way no way traveled traveled between rome and here I've mentioned it a couple of times in passing it's not like I have a bunch of secret information from him I I don't but I did he was very nice older you know he's probably in his seventies uh when I met him and uh and he had just gotten back uh from rome but um I uh I asked him Straight up, I said, how big? It's big. The archives are big. And I said, UFOs. He goes, what? I said, aliens. any information about that? Have you ever seen the show ancient aliens? And, and he goes, well, yeah. Um, I don't know. There's a lot of stuff there. Um, people have asked me about that before, but no, I, I simply, uh, wouldn't know where to find it. And, uh, I don't have any information on that, but I asked him straight up and his, his answer was, was pretty telling. You're not the first, man. You're not the first person to ask me about this. But I had, Christina, I had the opportunity. I was with them a few times over the next year. I can't remember if I went back and revisited these questions, but I definitely went direct at him. And he was very candid. He was very cool. Oh, oh, I did ask him You, uh, this is why I thought about it. He said about a thousand passes a year or whatever. Um, I said, can I get in? He goes, look, man, you make it over to the Vatican. Come find me. I'll get you in. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he said. Nice way to get in. And he said, um, he did say one other thing. Now, I don't know if this is, uh, uh, uh, a political statement or, or whatever. He said, they're not that secret. He said, no, it's not as closed down as you think. That's what he said. He said, no, man, come on. I'll get you in. So I don't know the mystery behind it, the size of it. He definitely said, I have no idea what's in there. It's ginormous. So, but yeah, yeah, that really happened. Well, if there were no secrets, then some of that area in the archives wouldn't be completely closed down to those that have passes. From what I was able to find online is that it's not full access. You do not get full access to the archives. You only get certain sections of it where that pass will take you. So if they were so open, then the whole library should be open, right? He had told me. And I'm going to have to paraphrase here because it was twenty years ago, but he did say that it's vast. Most of it is not documented. They don't know what's in there. It's not archived correctly. It's not digitized. None of that. It's just there. So and that makes a lot of sense to think about, you know, digitizing and transcribing things. Not everything is in Latin. Not everything is in English. It's different countries and different languages. So yeah, he didn't say that. He took a lot of books. Yeah. They don't know what's in there. I'm serious. And he, he also said it was, it was, there was other stuff there too, as well, artwork and sculpture and artifacts and things that were collected. It's just not manuscripts. So, but they don't, They don't have any idea what's in there. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty interesting. And again, all of this, as we move on, all of this just goes in direct conflict and contradiction of the Vatican's position in the past. And was that to protect the Vatican's knowledge? Okay. Is it to continue the control of the religious side of things? And I would say that that has a big part of it, uh, that you don't want things to get out of control. Religion's a very, very strange area and people have their beliefs and their family's beliefs, their children's beliefs, and you can't have that fundamentally altered where somebody is just going to freak out and not only somebody, but potentially millions or billions of people. So you've got to keep that in order. And so maybe that was part of it four hundred years ago. And that also has probably something largely to do with the change of position now because people have access to information and they don't want to be lied to. And the church being more open about this, I think, is just changing with the times, if you will. I agree there. And there's some ideas as to why that might be. Why is the church talking more about this? Why are they being more open? Is it because they're forced to do so? Is it because they're trying to be trendy with the ideas of today? Is it a different idea entirely? Something else that I want to mention, and we're seeing it on screen right here, has to do with David Grush. And it seems like in today's UFO phenomenon, we just can't run away from Grush. He's made so many statements. But one thing that passed me at the time, but I'm glad that we're able to catch on this now, is that... Grush had mentioned that Pope Poius had back-channeled information to the U.S. about a crashed UFO retrieval by Mussolini in to the U.S. Now, we now know about this Magenta case because of Grush, even though it was reported by Italian UFO researcher Roberto Pinotti. But for those that aren't familiar with him, it was Grush who brought it to the congressional hearing of in the year of nineteen thirty three, Magenta, Italy, UFO sighting and crash. And they collected that material. But the part that passed me was that the Vatican according to Grush, was involved in the information that they gave to the U.S. about what happened in nineteen thirty three. So let's say that really did happen. Let's let's take Grush's word for this full on. What would have been the purpose for the Vatican to even mention that to the U.S. during that time frame? What's your speculation on that, Jimmy? Yeah, well, I My speculation is when you go back to and you think about the knowledge base, not only of science, but planets outside of our solar system or something, uh, extraterrestrial and how, how would we deal with that or understand or, or try to move forward with it? We just didn't know as much back then. Um, so the idea of a coverup, I don't even know. if they knew what to cover up or what the implications would be for this. And did they even understand that it was a craft from something that was outside of our star system? Or was it something from another country? You have to remember at that time in nineteen thirty three planes were only flying for twenty five years. You really need to think about that. Nations air forces and technology of aircraft going from biplanes to single wing and trying to achieve speed and armament of different air forces around the world and the threat of war. Technology was moving very, very quickly. So to see something like this, was it just from Earth? you know, and, and to get other countries involved to figure out whose this was. I'm not so sure that they thought it was extraterrestrial at that time. Um, you have to put, put yourself in the mindset of somebody from and what was going on. Think about the cars and, and ships and steam ships and moving to gasoline and diesel engines. That was the technology of the time. you know, trains and it was just a different place. So you see something, uh, that you don't understand, how do you deal with it? So I'm sure, uh, that the Vatican stepped in. This was in Italy too, as well. And think about the, the, The involvement and the influence of the church, not only in Italy, but the rest of the world at that time. It was a different place. Now we can look at it and go, oh, crash retrieval, right, of something else, something not of this earth. But back then, I'm not so sure that that was the first thing that they thought of. For me, I'm thinking of the connection. What is the connection between the Vatican and the United States? I mean, out of all the countries to share that information with, why pass it to the U.S.? Well, back to my point, though. The U.S. was a leader in so many different technologies at that time. And you had, believe it or not, it's kind of crazy to look at right now, but telephones. okay telegraphs electricity television radio these were cutting edge things that were happening at a very fast pace and the united states was leading all of these uh technical marvels that were were happening including airplanes and cars and and trains and and ships so yeah you would definitely look to the united states I don't think you're going to look at italy or Great Britain at the time of Soviet Union wasn't what it turned into. China wasn't. China was a backwards farm nation at that point. So you would go to the United States. And yeah, it all makes sense to me in that regard. I'm just not sure if they understood what they were in possession of. Dun, dun, dun. But did the Vatican... Well, I want to go back to one other before we move forward or stay here. Pope Benedict, you know, who preceded Pope Francis, Pope Benedict, Pope Benedict XVI, by the way, his astronomer, his name was Guy, some say Guy, Guy Consolmagno. All right. He said, are you ready? And this is in two thousand and ten. He said that he would baptize an alien. And I'm going to quote him. And this was the Pope's astronomer, the guy, the cat. He said, quote, any entity, no matter how many tentacles, second time tentacles popped up in a quote. Has a soul. And it seems like there was a conversation that was going on at the Vatican. Green men, Martians, tentacles, baptism. Yeah, what are tentacles? What is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What, like octopus and panspermia? Like, is that what they're thinking about? I know, I know. Two separate quotes. So was this... Was this a Vatican inter-office memo that went around? Right? Tentacles. Green Martian. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to throw that in there. What do they know that they need to tell us about these entities with tentacles? Yeah. Yeah. I'm thoroughly convinced that the Vatican had to... respond to modern life and modern knowledge with the knowledge of the universe and exoplanets and the search for life and everything else that is out there. If it is their position, like, you know, page one of Genesis and in the old Testament, if you're going to stay with that, that God created, you know, let there be light and, created the world in so many days, the heavens, the earth, and modeled everything off of what was the kingdom of heaven, you know, and where is heaven and what does that encompass? Well, I think that they needed to turn that into from modern, from ancient type, ancient words, ancient vocabulary, and flip that around into the modern version of what that says. So yeah, I, we have to, if God created everything and created everything out there, well, Martians are part of that. And I think that the Vatican had to start treating this subject in a way not only that the rest of the world can understand, but the Catholics of the world, of which there's between one and two billion. All right. And that's a big chunk. If we have eight billion people on this planet, twenty five percent of them are Catholics. Well, they're educated Catholics. You know, they watch TV. They go to the movies. They read books. You know, they understand science. And, yeah, yeah, I think that's a way to look at it. Now, how do we – Christina, I'm going to throw this right back at you. How do we look at ancient text, the Bible, and how different scenes – were depicted in religious artwork that turned around and was hung, displayed in churches at the Vatican. in and around rome over the years what is being represented here now ancient aliens has done a really really good a really good job at talking about some of these ancient artworks and you and I have done shows on this many times um in the past different wood cuts um and things nuremberg right you know you go and you look at nuremberg today you look at that woodcut what is in that woodcut is it religious Not necessarily. Is it old? It's five hundred years old. And it shows a battle scene in the sky. With spacecraft and things blown up and flaming and everything. That's not imagination. That is something that is captured. Now, flip that over to the religious side of things. I would say that some of the religious art that depicts stuff in the sky is as crazy as anything that we can imagine. And I think it depicts exactly what we think we are seeing. Can I show an image? Yeah, let's see it. Okay. Check this out. Just take a really good look at that. All right. That is the baptism of Christ. All right. That is from seventeen ten. Now it shows the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist. That's what's going on down at the bottom. And this is at the River Jordan. OK. with a flying saucer and beams of light and that's a huge flying saucer if you you know take a look at it but that's in the sky what else could be depicted here I'm gonna say I'm depending on my eyes I don't need any cognitive dissonance to come into play here what are we looking at what do you think is depicted in this picture christina It looks like a classic flying saucer. It really does from this image shooting beams of light. But if I had to think about this from a different perspective, it doesn't even look like a cloud. I couldn't even. No, you can't. Right, right, right. It doesn't look like it. It just it looks no saucer shaped. I want to do this over to the live chat. What shape do you think this looks like? And hit that like button right down below if you're enjoying the show. But aside from a saucer, my brain can't think of anything else. No. And so put on your skeptic hat for a second. Put on your Mick West hat. Put on your Mick West hat. And try to convince everyone that this is the representation of something else. So what would this represent? What could this be? A reflection of seagulls in the night sky. Wow. Or the reflection of Venus and it's hitting the waters and it's creating some kind of parallax. Swamp gas. Swamp gas. Swamp gas. Swamp gas. Um, now my next question, because we've got a bunch of other stuff that we're going to show here. Um, What is the connection of said UFO with Jesus? Now, you're the painter. That's a tough one. And you're trying to get to pretty difficult waters. What is the connection here? And this isn't the only painting like this, by the way. It's simply not. There are hundreds of these. We've got a few examples. I have been looking at this stuff. I've got a folder full of this stuff. And the images are of the same types of craft in the sky. Doing strange things, by the way. Lots of lasers. They liked laser beams, didn't they? They liked their lasers. They like their lasers. All right. I'm going to pull this one down. Let's see. What are you going to surprise us with? Okay. I have a few, some of, some of them that we know about. But let me just, these are favorites. These are, you know, you got to go classic. These are all time favorites. Yeah. Hold on. Okay. So we got one right here. We know about this one, right? See this strange thing. Right up in the corner of her shoulder. What's going on? This one is the Madonna with St. Giovanni. Did I say that right? Giovanni. I feel like I did. Giovanni. Do you speak Italian, Jimmy? I eat pizza. Delicious. Yeah. Very yummy. Do you have a Vespa? I gave up. I gave up. gave up pasta and carbs about four months ago and one of the most difficult decisions of my entire life but I haven't given up meatballs and a marinara you know I can't go wrong yeah I still you know I still have my ways of of getting my Italian uh stuff into my life but yeah yeah no more pizza and but anyway this was painting yeah go ahead when no tell me you tell me oh uh fourteen hundreds fifteenth century but nice do you know in art circles and this is going to sound made up this sounds like some jimmy church uh made up stuff in art circles you know what they call this what don't call this the dominico right which is what uh uh dominico's name is all right no in art circles they call this madonna with ufo yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yep yep and and when they mention that in those they know exactly what painting everybody is talking about but I'm gonna say Christina, zoom in on dude in the background. You can stop right there. Okay. Right there. He is obviously doing one thing, isn't he? He's definitely. Yeah. He's looking at a flying saucer. And which seems to be illuminated around the edges. Right. And cruising through the sky. But he's just like. checking it out. Now, can you misinterpret this? No, you can't. Well, some ideas are that behind the Virgin Mary is an angel or a divine light. Do you agree with those ideas? Angel equals E.T., Dun, dun, dun. You heard it from Jimmy Church first. Look, I'm just saying, right? And if you go back and look at, man, I've said this so many times, but if you go back and understand that knowledge, they knew what they knew, but they didn't know what they didn't know. So having flying saucer wasn't a word. It wasn't an idea, but angels were all right. Flying shields were right. That that's a way to describe because they didn't have another word or an idea or anything to interject or to describe or to preserve what was going on. So, yeah, to call it an angel or anything else, yeah, that's what they knew. But he is obviously looking at something in the fourteen hundreds, in the fifteenth century, flying in the sky. I'm going to ask you, in the fifteenth century, what was flying in the sky, Christina? There really shouldn't be anything. Anything. Except birds. Anything. That's not a blood. I can tell you that. No. Could it be a meteor? Could it be a meteor, a comet? Well, yeah, possibly. It doesn't look like that. What else could be in the sky besides a bird? That is a solid object in the sky. But what's more important here is the painter made sure That that guy was looking at it. There's no question about what's going on in this painting. It's fascinating to me. And I say it all the time. I'll say it again. I depend on my eyes. I look at everything. What else could it be? I'm open to that. Sure. Help me out. Well, we also need to keep in mind that artists had very important jobs in the fourteen hundred thirteen hundred years prior to that and about a few years after that is that not only were they creating art, they had to tell the story for those that were illiterate. They weren't just painting for fun. They weren't just adding little details just to make it more intriguing. They tried to stick to the story as much as possible. Or some believe that some of these artists got kind of this type of divine intervention where they – Either in their dreams or in the daytime and some form of meditation, they would receive these messages on what paintings to create. So their job, even sculptors, their jobs were so important to tell the religious story to everyone of all parts of the world and specifically those that could not read. So everything had a purpose, this thing in the sky, this person staring at it and everything in between. Look, it wasn't labeled as heresy. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't, uh, criticized or anything else. No, there was something going on here and the church was okay with it. All right. Whatever's being depicted, but it's the obvious thing. Is there is a person looks like a man in the background, observing a craft in the sky. That's it. There isn't anything else outside of that to look at or to try to figure it out. Now, what is he looking at? I don't know the facts. The facts are easy. He's there in a religious painting, a depiction. And he is observing a craft in the sky. Now, to get to the truth and what's behind it, I don't have those answers. But clearly, that's what's going on here. Pull up one of my favorite images since we're going on the best of. The Annunciation with Saint Amedeus. Bring this up. Now, this one, I'm just going to say it as Christina is pulling it up. Uh, it appears to me to be a flying saw. I keep saying flying saucer because that's what it looks like. A craft coming down through the clouds, breaking through the clouds, blasting a laser beam at somebody's head. Bam. And through a bird too. Yeah. Yeah. Through a bird. Yeah. The bird got blasted. But that is this. Wow. Right? Zoom in on the flying saucer. Zoom in on the craft. Look how the clouds have been separated. Yeah. And this thing coming through. Yeah, man. Right through the window. Out of all the shapes to create, why make it look like a flying saucer? It's, uh, because that's what it was, you know, but, uh, a beam going through the building, through the floor, blasting a bird. Yeah. People looking at it. Yeah, absolutely. There's all of that. And, uh, coming in and getting blasted in the head through the blood. Through a bird. Yeah. What's up with that? Yeah. Right there. Yeah. Now, the interpretation for this one would be that this person is receiving a message from God while worshiping, while reading the Holy Scriptures. So that's an idea. Or, you know, in today's world, we would classify this as a download, receiving information from a UFO. Which one's the right answer, right? She's reading Galileo's book. Even though this was in fourteen eighty six. So, yeah, really ahead of her time. But as the years and centuries have progressed, there have been different ideas as to what's being seen. And with the more modern ideas of UFOs and visitation for centuries, that's kind of the idea that a lot of people are getting. It's so this is alien, right? Like that's what many people are thinking. I love this. There's a zoom out on that image. I remember, and I've listened to different scholars talk about this over the years and things. And I'm going to say cognitive dissonance for the second time in this show. Because scholars, in the classical sense... are going to stay on the side of dogma. They're going to stay in a certain lane, and they are going to observe things the way that they want to observe them. And so you can't have an open mind. You have to just go, oh, that's the Holy Spirit coming from the heavens, and she's being enlightened, and the Spirit of God is being projected out. All of these things, right? Okay. Anybody else you show this painting to that is outside of religious circles is going to go, somebody's getting blasted by a laser beam from a flying saucer because that's what it looks like. And honestly, goals. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And so you can't, going back to my opening statement, you can't upset the masses. You have to stay in a certain way. And so, yeah, okay. All right. So the spirit of God is coming down from the sky and somebody is being enlightened while they are reading scripture. Okay. All right. Okay. Makes you want to read the scriptures, doesn't it? You know, and I love your comment because it's, It has always hit me. Yeah. It's not somebody getting, you know, assaulted by a laser beam. It's a download. It is a download for sure. I think that, uh, not for sure. I don't know exactly what's going on here, but to the head, you know, she doesn't look like she's being injured. Right. And so is it, is it a download? Is it information? Is it pointing out an individual? Right? Is it a teleportation beam? Yeah, I don't know. But I love it. This is so science fiction, this painting. This is one of my favorites. The Czechoslovakia paintings of the craft with the dudes inside. This is up there with that. That one's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. I like that one as well. Let's see. What else do we have? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Since we're doing Jimmy's greatest hits, Miracle of the Snow. Pull that up. Pull up Miracle of the Snow. Because I'm going to say, has everybody here seen the movie Mars Attacks? All right. So the opening scene of Mars Attacks. when the flying saucers leave Mars and it's a fleet and they're coming towards Earth and the music is there and it's a fleet of flying saucers. Look at this miracle of the snow and tell me that isn't Mars attacks. It's Mars attacks. It looks like hundreds of UFOs while people are playing games down here. But at the same time, compared to the other ones that we saw, This one also kind of looks like clouds. Okay. So here's my problem with this, because that looks like a fleet of alien spaceships to me. All right. It just does cognitive dissonance, you know, playing out here in my head, but, um, Christina, look at the crowd. Look at the artistic zoom in on the, on the faces. Look how perfect they are. And he's not wearing pants. The proportions. Yeah. The proportions. The shadows. The intention. All right. This, um, uh, Masolino, uh, the painter of this, this was done in fourteen twenty eight. It's beautiful. It's perfect. He obviously can paint. But he can't paint clouds. Okay. How do you. The buildings, the proportion, the perspective, the faces, everything is there and it's correct. But dude is like a kindergarten cloud painter. Right? How do you goof that up? You don't. You don't. All right? Those aren't clouds is what I'm saying. Somebody's going to explain this. I'd say not so fast. How do you mess up clouds? And in a perfect line, look at the center one right off of the right. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve objects in a perfect line. Yeah, that one is strange. Yeah. Yeah. Any artist knows you have to do it in odd numbers and it has to look random. So for it to be in a straight line, I also found that really strange. And then also right here looking at these six that are also in a straight line. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Does nature do that? Well, no. No. So why would the artist... Just go, go way out like that to have this, the crowd, the faces, it's, it's a beautiful painting. And then just go off the reservation like that. It doesn't make any sense. That's because they are not clouds. All right. Maybe they're UFOs in that are being cloaked. Do you remember the surface of the, uh, the top of the ship in, uh, independence day? Yeah. It looked earthy. It looked, you know, like rocks. It looked like dirt. Arrival. Arrival. Remember the surface of the ship? I just recently watched it. So good. What's that? I just recently watched it. It's about time. So it's funny that you brought it up. It's about time. No, I've seen it before, but I happened to re-watch it. You know who's amazing in that movie? I mean, the movie is perfect back to front, but you know what? Amy Adams. nailed it she nailed she nailed it one of her best roles ever but um yeah so now let's take it one step further uh to have uh jesus and mary positioned above uh writing on the cloud um that uh It's just the whole thing. There's something else being said here. I don't know what it is, but those clearly are not clouds. And I don't think the artist would just, you know, freeform and mess it up. Yeah, clearly swamp gas. Jesus, take the wheel. Yes. Thank you for that, Nick. Very cool. But, yeah, I love this painting. And it's kind of weird, isn't it? I'm going to ask you this, Christina. When you first look at this painting, all right, first time, do you think you're looking at clouds? I mean, first out of the gate, are you looking at clouds? No, it doesn't look like clouds to me, to my eyeballs. No, no. My eyeballs are trained. They don't look like clouds. It just doesn't look like clouds. It just doesn't. I love this painting. What else do we have? I want to cover a few more things with our very limited time. But Mark, thank you so much for that super chat. I really appreciate it. And if you're enjoying the show, hit that like button right down below and subscribe if you haven't already. If you enjoy UFO news, updates, interviews, case studies, and more, then this is the channel for you. Something that I want to talk about, because we can do an entire show on pictures and paintings, which are all stunning. But again, our time is very limited. One thing that I feel is very important to touch on is the Vatican Observatory. Now, why am I bringing this up? Well, because there has been so many ideas over the centuries, to be honest, that you should not mix science with religion. Now, the Vatican has their own ideas, and they say, I can do whatever the heck I want, and I'm going to mix the two. And in this case, for this Vatican Observatory, it was established in fifteen eighty two, but it wasn't formalized until eighteen ninety one. During the fifteen hundreds, the purpose was to look at astronomical messages. What what are the stars telling us? What are the planets telling us? How can we. find an auspicious date based off of these constellations, right? But as the decades progressed, they started getting telescopes that were more advanced. Their ideas on how to... better understand our solar system and universe also expanded. So while Galileo was placed under house arrest in the sixteen hundreds because of his belief about how the earth is not the center of the universe, and that was really bad for him to say at the time, I can imagine that he felt that he was He was in the right, but he felt that he was in the right with his mentality because of the establishment of the Vatican Observatory, where they're constantly looking out through telescopes to better understand what is going on beyond Earth. Now, also during this time frame, sixteen hundred, seventeen hundredths, There was a lot of talk about how the moon was inhabited by intelligent species, which certain Greek and Italian philosophers had predicted. alluded to and then there were also astronomers during that time frame that had mentioned there has to be extraterrestrial life there has to be other planets out there that might be similar to earth in some ways and I felt like the vatican kind of jumped on that and they said, okay, we can't keep burning people at the stake like Bruno. We can't keep putting people under house arrest like Galileo. Let's maybe start agreeing with these guys and doing our own investigations. And so they began to do so. And then in two thousand and nine, the Vatican Conference on Astrobiology explored the implications of extraterrestrial life and public statements by Vatican astronomers about the. idea of alien life have also been spoken about over the recent decades. And then in two thousand and eight by the name of Father Jose Funes spoke that aliens could be our extraterrestrial brothers free from original sin. I felt like that was a really big statement for two thousand and eight. It's still a big statement for today that our space brothers, which is the term that we've been using since the seventies, that these ones are free from original sin, that's a very big statement to make. Yeah. And Danny Sheehan worked with him and has had a lot of conversations over the years that were always very fascinating. And then you turn the page and you go to the United States, the Vatican, Has an observatory here. In Arizona. Dun, dun, dun. Yeah, right. Now, I've talked about this a lot over the years. And why is it significant? Well, for a couple of reasons. All right. There's a mountain in Arizona. It's called Mount Graham. And at Mount Graham, there are a few observatories there. But the two main ones. Are the Mount Graham International Observatory, which is next to the Vatican's Observatory. All right. Okay. Well, hold on. Hold on. It gets better. What is the official name of the Mount Graham International Observatory? What's the official name? Do you know? I'm going to tell you. Tell me. It's called Lucifer. That's right. And now, what does that stand for? Why is it an acronym? Right, right, right. It is one of the most interesting names that you can have for a telescope. And then the Vatican have in their observatory next to it, next to an observatory called Lucifer, It got controversial. I wonder why. Yeah, so they shortened the name to Lucy. It's now called Lucy, L-U-C-I. Just call it Lilith at this point. Yeah, yeah, call it Lilith. That's good. Um, and, and they're, they were like, no, it's now called Lucy and it's part of the large binocular telescope, the OBT. And this is an international thing. Um, and Lucifer now called Lucy, this public statement came out that it is not owned or operated by the Vatican observatory next door. Um, Yeah. Now, the Vatican Observatory itself, yep, it's got a telescope, just like Galileo, and it's called the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, or the VAT. Right? But it is not named Lucifer. The Vatican made sure that, now, because the two observatories are next to each other, there was quite a bit of drama over the years, Christina, that that the Vatican's observatory was called Lucifer. It's not. It's called that. The one next door shares a property line, right? Same gardener. It's called Lucifer. Now, let's close out with one of my favorite things. Let's hear it. If we can. The Vatican pine cone. Can we go there? Oh, yes. Can we go there? Have to. Can we go there? You know why I want to go there? So many have, and I love sculpture, right? And so you look at a sculpture, one person's going to see what they're going to see. Another one's going to see what they're going to see. They're both going to be emotionally involved for different reasons and different emotions, maybe sadness, maybe happiness or whatever. Okay. And so the Vatican pine cone, pull this baby up. There we go. Now, this can have so many different meanings. And you have the esoteric side and the fringe side of things, which I think are all in play. And then you have the official side. And when we look at, it's bronze, by the way. And the Vatican says it's renewal. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. I can see that with pine cones. Some say it's enlightenment. The Vatican has made recent statements about this pine cone. All right. Are you ready? Are you ready? Man, I'm just going to make a lot of people angry right now. Oh, who's that? Okay. Somebody's reading my mind. Yeah, I just saw. Okay, because let me do. Can I just say what I need to say? Say it. Who's holding you back, Jimmy? You, by posting stuff that's jumping on my show, jumping on my reveal, jumping on my. Speak it to the man, but not to me. No, no, no, no. What's the word I want to use? Barnum and Bailey, my show, The Circus. It's the reveal. Oh, yes. Yeah. Okay. Let's hear it. So anyway, now the Vatican is saying that it's a symbol of eternal life, of rebirth, and of spiritual understanding, and that it is connected to, get ready with the dun, dun, dun. The Vatican says it's connected to the pineal gland. That's right. Dun, dun, dun. The Vatican says the third eye. Not me. That sounds like something I would say, right? And make up. This is coming from the Vatican. What do they know and what does this actually represent? Very, very interesting, isn't it? And how many times, Christina, have we seen pine cones in Sumerian art? Right. And different sculptures that go back thousands and thousands of years. Pine cones and handbags. Right. Mm hmm. Yep. And then it just shows up connection to the Anunnaki. Yep. Yep. And then it just shows up at the Vatican. So is it the third eye? Is it the pineal gland? Is it reincarnation? Is it something else? I don't know, but it is certainly interesting, isn't it? What do you think it represents? Why can't it be all of the above? Right, right, right, right. What do you think it represents? I can understand the renewal part with pine cones, with how they work, right? Because it's just a bunch of different seeds. So I'm like, okay, well, that kind of makes sense. And the idea of the pineal gland, that one in particular does have a connection with the Anunnaki and the Sumerian myths that it has to do with knowledge and the Indians as well from India. Right. right right so that is strange now for this particular statue it is old not only is it thirteen feet tall which is ginormous but the statue dates back from the first or second century that that's yeah that doesn't really make a lot of sense because the I want to say this properly, but for it to be created during that time frame, that is just right after Jesus. Just bang. Soon after that. Yeah, right, right, right. Bang. I like that. I like that. This Vatican Courtyard is called the Pinecone Courtyard. Only appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. Symbolism is a strange thing. Can I add an extra detail to this? This is also important. Sure. Is that this pine cone functioned as a fountain near the Temple of Isis in ancient Rome. Oh, is that right? Yeah. and then during the middle ages it was relocated um to the basilica and then in it was moved to the current location of the pine cone courtyard in the vatican I um yeah I know I know I know I have not been to the vatican all right and it is a definite bucket list thing I do I just want to go and visit and see it for myself. This is high on the list, right? This is right there. Everything else, right? The normal tourist stops and everything. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. But I definitely want to visit this and see how it hits me. This is symbolism at the highest order. You know, what does this actually represent? Everything in the Vatican is symbolism. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Just knowing what that actually means. Another great show. When do you think, before we get out of here, when do you think we're going to get a new pope? Have you thought about it? It's not up to us. They have to go through this whole process of voting for one. Yeah, the conclave. Right, right. And it can take anywhere from a few weeks to about six months or something like that from how I understand it. What do you think? I would say, if I had to take a guess, in the environment that we're in right now, I'd probably say four months. Really? Really? Is that too soon? Or is that too late? Okay, this is what I think. given the environment that we're in, because I have thought about that exact reason is that I don't think they're going to go radical. I think that the ideas, I don't follow religion. I don't follow the Catholic church. I have very little knowledge of. this Pope or any previous Pope. All right. I just don't follow. I don't know. I don't know. I I've read the reactions of people. I guess out of all of the Popes that this guy was, uh, a bit different. Okay. And, and open and, uh, and so forth based on that and the environment that we're in, I think they're going to, I think they're going to attempt to keep the flow going. that this pope had represented. I don't think anything radical is going to happen. So, you know, somebody that's going to come in and just be a different kind of dictator pope that we've had in the past. But based on that, I think it's going to be quick. You think so? So four weeks? Three weeks? Three weeks sounds really soon. I'm thinking first vote. I'm thinking first vote. Yeah. What does that mean? Well, they burn the boats, right? So you never, you don't know. The color of the smoke out of the smokestack, right? Right. I think it's going to be first pass. I think it's going to be very quick or second pass. I think it'll be, I don't think we need more turmoil. Are we plussing bets now? Someone asked that. Should we, should we, okay. In how many weeks do you think it'll be in? I'm going to guess twelve. I think the first couple of puffs of smoke, right? Because you have to wait and they're burning. I'm going to say first day, twenty-four hours. And how strange is it that that movie Conclave came out last year? And now it's like the number one movie on Netflix. And streaming. I'll never watch anything like that. Maybe I will. Maybe I'll actually watch it now. I had to look it up. Never heard of it before. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a big, big flick. That was a mainstream movie that came out. Yeah, yeah. It was a big movie. Big movie. So, yeah, I don't know the processes or anything and stuff, but apparently this guy was pretty well liked. And I just think Conclave is a great movie. I haven't seen it. I've heard it's great. Yes, I have heard that. It's just not my cup of tea. I like aliens, you know, like alien shoot-em-up movies. it's hard for me or, or good comedy, a good comedy. So, uh, there you go. I've got to jet out of here. Uh, before you ask Christina, I've got, uh, Jason Martel on the show tonight and, um, uh, one of my favorite people on this planet. And so he's back. He's been on tour with ancient aliens live. They've got a little break between shows. I've got Jason tonight. I'm fade to black. So I will see everybody there, Christina, another great show. And, uh, I won't, oh, I won't be here next week again. I've got a conference in Wisconsin. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I've got to eat that cheese. I've got to go. I'm going to do that. The Harley Davidson factory and museum is there. Yeah, of course it is. Everybody I'll see you tonight on the show. Christina, another, Oh, I pointed the wrong way. Christina, another great show. I'll talk to you. Thank you. Thank you. What a great show. We covered so much. We went over time. If you enjoyed the show, hit that like button right down below. And before you head out this Saturday, you want to tune in to the live event where we're playing UFO trivia winning exclusive. You followed your merch and being with like-minded people. That link is down below as it is currently only for Patreon members, but you don't want to miss it. Every time we do it, it is so much fun. 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