UFOs and the Catholic Church: The Hidden Connection

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Hello and welcome to this episode of Mysteries with a History. And in the final years, Pope Francis made two remarkable statements about extraterrestrial life. And we're going to get into those rather shortly. You know what? I'm not even going to do a fancy intro today. Hello and welcome to this episode where we explore everything strange and mysterious. Let's play the intro. What a great way to start the show, right, Jimmy? Just straight to the point. We have, we honestly have so much to cover today. I thought why, why give the intro? Why give the preface when we could just get straight into it, right? Yeah. Let's see how much we can catch Jimmy by surprise. Yeah. Let's do that. That sounds like a great idea. Hey everyone. How you doing? Changing it up. I'm wearing my Nazca shirt today for the show because we're doing ancient stuff today. Well, modern, but ancient. Ancient, but modern. Mix of both. Yeah, modern, ancient. That's a new thing for you ufologists. That's a new term that we are using. Modern, ancient. Modern, but ancient? Modern, ancient. Or mancient? Mancient. Oh, wow. Coming in strong there, Gomez. Coming in strong. This episode, obviously timely, we have the passing of Pope Francis. That happened a few days ago. And when that was announced, I was watching the UFO community do their reaction to this. And I had all of those thoughts come into play. that we're going to be covering on today's show. And going back, so I don't have to ask you today where you came up with the idea for today's show, but probably about ten years ago, this is uh, the Vatican, the Vatican observatory, the baptism of aliens. Uh, what were the Vatican's thoughts and takes on all of this? And I did a lot of, uh, shows with Danny Sheehan who was working with the Vatican at the time as, as their attorney and legal representation. And the, the stuff that was coming out of the Vatican was pretty, uh, it was shocking. I mean, not only for the UFO community, but for the rest of the world and Catholics around the world, too, as well. These statements coming out when we know about the Vatican's history, not only with this subject, but with astronomy, persecution, what happened to Galileo and so forth. And anybody that stepped outside of the Vatican's dogma was persecuted, even killed, right? And so to have this surprising turn of events, and then, of course, we'll be talking about the Vatican Observatory, for example, which is the exact opposite of the Vatican's position for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, right? Yeah, you're muted, but you can give it another shot there, kid. And when you find out that when the observatory was created is also very strange. It first started in the in the fifteen hundreds. You're like, whoa, hold on. When was Galileo in house arrest? Right. Like those are all the things that came to mind when doing the research on the Vatican Observatory in particular. It was very strange. Yeah, yeah, very strange. And we can't lose sight of something that is very fundamental here, Christina, which is this. We look at, and when I say we, I'm talking about academia and the rest of the world. When we look at where we are right now with technology and our evolution, that we generally look at the last four hundred years as modern science. And the reason why that timestamp is put there is Galileo and Copernicus. That's why that four hundred year period. And it started with them. And the heliocentric view of the stars in the sky, the position of the earth and the sun, and what was the center of everything. And we have to really look at it like that's the worldview of today. Back then, if you, and I can't stress this enough, if you weren't in line and lockstep with the church, it was a bad day. was a bad day and and we we look back not only copernicus but and and galileo of course and how this expanded our view of science and in the universe but also the possibility of what else was out there right was god's creation only here on earth or does it encompass everything else and all of the other planets that are out there And are there other beings that were created, quote, in God's image? You know, is there life beyond our solar system? And that started... And not only that, Jimmy, but it seems that with every generation of new popes that are appointed, they seem to be more and more open-minded. The one before Pope Francis had spoken about ETs on one occasion, then Francis... What about our next one that we're going to get? Because we're in a very different environment. The conversation about UFOs and E.T. has become much more mainstream. People are more curious about the topic and are willing to ask the questions versus feeling fear within them to ask people such as, Pope Francis questions about UFOs. And so the first mention that I was able to come across was in twenty fourteen. And I have the quotes here that I'd like to share with you, because in this interview at the in a homily about acceptance and inclusion, Pope Francis used an example of Martians coming to earth seeking baptism to illustrate the Catholic Church's openness. And he asked, quote, Martians came here and one of them said, I want to be baptized. What would happen? And he described that these Martians, they were green with long noses and big ears, kind of like a children's drawing. That's how we described this back in twenty fourteen. But then he continues with we should not reject the living presence of God in various forms, questioning when the Lord shows us the way. Who are we to say, no, Lord, we won't do that? No, let's do it this way. Who are we to close the doors? And then he continued with, if they asked, any entity, no matter how many tentacles it has, has a soul. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so let's frame that statement based on what? is their knowledge in the vast Vatican archives and their collection of information over nearly fifteen hundred years or longer that they have been collecting stuff, artifacts, writings, books, evidence. Is it based on that? Is there a knowledge inside of the Vatican about an ET presence? Now, going back to, you know, Jesus and God and the universe and angels and things in the sky and the heavens, and what does that represent? Is the heavens the universe and the rest of space? Well, is this framed on that knowledge? And one would have to say... Probably so. And what is the Pope exposed to? If the Pope, who is the leader, right, of the Catholic Church, does he have the ability to ask questions? And get answers. Is he handcuffed? Is he hogtied like elected officials are here in the United States and possibly around the world? I don't know, but is the Pope, uh, able to get to these things? Now there was that. Two thousand and fourteen interview was amazing. A couple of things happened immediately after that in two thousand and fifteen. I know you want to talk about this. He was asked. Now this was two thousand and fourteen. And then in, in he was asked whether there could be thinking beings. Now remember Martians and that Martian expedition, those were Pope Francis words. Okay, that wasn't some type of metaphor or something that was injected into his statement. Martian expedition to Earth was his words. So in two thousand fifteen, when he was asked whether there could be thinking beings, aliens or ET elsewhere in the universe. He said, and I quote, honestly, I wouldn't know how to answer. He didn't say I wouldn't know. He said, I wouldn't know how to answer, but in every case, I think that we should stick to what the scientists tell us. Now, isn't that in direct contradiction to how they dealt with Galileo, right? Exactly, and Bruno. Yes, and Bruno. Oh, who was killed? Burnt at the stake, of course. We need to listen to what the scientists tell us. Still aware that the creator is in infinitely greater than our knowledge. The universe and the world in which we live is not the result of chance or chaos, but of divine intelligence, end quote. That's a powerful statement, isn't it? It is, especially with the people that he was in connection with. He met with all of the world leaders. He met with everyone who had power during his time and. And also, he has full access to the Vatican archives, which is fifty miles long, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of ancient manuscripts into modern manuscripts that, by the way, to get access to to those archives. Right. It's a whole process. You have to be interviewed. You have to be screened to get a pass to get into the Vatican archives. And they only give about a thousand passes a year. But the idea of being interviewed to get a pass to me is so strange. But if we think that he spent a lot of his time in the archives reading all the manuscripts that he possibly could, and the same What would also need to be mentioned is there's always been this underlying idea that the Catholic Church knows a lot more than what they're leading on, especially when it comes to UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Could there be answers in the archives? Now, some would say yes, some would say no. Well, I'm going to say something that we have to ask ourselves. I'm going to say something a little controversial. All right. But just it is what it is. About twenty years ago, two thousand five or so, like right in there, I met and didn't become friends, but we knew each other. The gentleman that was the head. the vatican archives lived here in los angeles by the way no way traveled traveled between rome and here I've mentioned it a couple of times in passing it's not like I have a bunch of secret information from him I I don't but I did he was very nice older you know he's probably in his seventies uh when I met him and uh and he had just gotten back uh from rome but um I uh I asked him Straight up, I said, how big? It's big. The archives are big. And I said, UFOs. He goes, what? I said, aliens. any information about that? Have you ever seen the show ancient aliens? And, and he goes, well, yeah. Um, I don't know. There's a lot of stuff there. Um, people have asked me about that before, but no, I, I simply, uh, wouldn't know where to find it. And, uh, I don't have any information on that, but I asked him straight up and his, his answer was, was pretty telling. You're not the first, man. You're not the first person to ask me about this. But I had, Christina, I had the opportunity. I was with them a few times over the next year. I can't remember if I went back and revisited these questions, but I definitely went direct at him. And he was very candid. He was very cool. Oh, oh, I did ask him You, uh, this is why I thought about it. He said about a thousand passes a year or whatever. Um, I said, can I get in? He goes, look, man, you make it over to the Vatican. Come find me. I'll get you in. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he said. Nice way to get in. And he said, um, he did say one other thing. Now, I don't know if this is, uh, uh, uh, a political statement or, or whatever. He said, they're not that secret. He said, no, it's not as closed down as you think. That's what he said. He said, no, man, come on. I'll get you in. So I don't know the mystery behind it, the size of it. He definitely said, I have no idea what's in there. It's ginormous. So, but yeah, yeah, that really happened. Well, if there were no secrets, then some of that area in the archives wouldn't be completely closed down to those that have passes. From what I was able to find online is that it's not full access. You do not get full access to the archives. You only get certain sections of it where that pass will take you. So if they were so open, then the whole library should be open, right? He had told me. And I'm going to have to paraphrase here because it was twenty years ago, but he did say that it's vast. Most of it is not documented. They don't know what's in there. It's not archived correctly. It's not digitized. None of that. It's just there. So and that makes a lot of sense to think about, you know, digitizing and transcribing things. Not everything is in Latin. Not everything is in English. It's different countries and different languages. So yeah, he didn't say that. He took a lot of books. Yeah. They don't know what's in there. I'm serious. And he, he also said it was, it was, there was other stuff there too, as well, artwork and sculpture and artifacts and things that were collected. It's just not manuscripts. So, but they don't, They don't have any idea what's in there. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty interesting. And again, all of this, as we move on, all of this just goes in direct conflict and contradiction of the Vatican's position in the past. And was that to protect the Vatican's knowledge? Okay. Is it to continue the control of the religious side of things? And I would say that that has a big part of it, uh, that you don't want things to get out of control. Religion's a very, very strange area and people have their beliefs and their family's beliefs, their children's beliefs, and you can't have that fundamentally altered where somebody is just going to freak out and not only somebody, but potentially millions or billions of people. So you've got to keep that in order. And so maybe that was part of it four hundred years ago. And that also has probably something largely to do with the change of position now because people have access to information and they don't want to be lied to. And the church being more open about this, I think, is just changing with the times, if you will. I agree there. And there's some ideas as to why that might be. Why is the church talking more about this? Why are they being more open? Is it because they're forced to do so? Is it because they're trying to be trendy with the ideas of today? Is it a different idea entirely? Something else that I want to mention, and we're seeing it on screen right here, has to do with David Grush. And it seems like in today's UFO phenomenon, we just can't run away from Grush. He's made so many statements. But one thing that passed me at the time, but I'm glad that we're able to catch on this now, is that... Grush had mentioned that Pope Poius had back-channeled information to the U.S. about a crashed UFO retrieval by Mussolini in to the U.S. Now, we now know about this Magenta case because of Grush, even though it was reported by Italian UFO researcher Roberto Pinotti. But for those that aren't familiar with him, it was Grush who brought it to the congressional hearing of in the year of nineteen thirty three, Magenta, Italy, UFO sighting and crash. And they collected that material. But the part that passed me was that the Vatican according to Grush, was involved in the information that they gave to the U.S. about what happened in nineteen thirty three. So let's say that really did happen. Let's let's take Grush's word for this full on. What would have been the purpose for the Vatican to even mention that to the U.S. during that time frame? What's your speculation on that, Jimmy? Yeah, well, I My speculation is when you go back to and you think about the knowledge base, not only of science, but planets outside of our solar system or something, uh, extraterrestrial and how, how would we deal with that or understand or, or try to move forward with it? We just didn't know as much back then. Um, so the idea of a coverup, I don't even know. if they knew what to cover up or what the implications would be for this. And did they even understand that it was a craft from something that was outside of our star system? Or was it something from another country? You have to remember at that time in nineteen thirty three planes were only flying for twenty five years. You really need to think about that. Nations air forces and technology of aircraft going from biplanes to single wing and trying to achieve speed and armament of different air forces around the world and the threat of war. Technology was moving very, very quickly. So to see something like this, was it just from Earth? you know, and, and to get other countries involved to figure out whose this was. I'm not so sure that they thought it was extraterrestrial at that time. Um, you have to put, put yourself in the mindset of somebody from and what was going on. Think about the cars and, and ships and steam ships and moving to gasoline and diesel engines. That was the technology of the time. you know, trains and it was just a different place. So you see something, uh, that you don't understand, how do you deal with it? So I'm sure, uh, that the Vatican stepped in. This was in Italy too, as well. And think about the, the, The involvement and the influence of the church, not only in Italy, but the rest of the world at that time. It was a different place. Now we can look at it and go, oh, crash retrieval, right, of something else, something not of this earth. But back then, I'm not so sure that that was the first thing that they thought of. For me, I'm thinking of the connection. What is the connection between the Vatican and the United States? I mean, out of all the countries to share that information with, why pass it to the U.S.? Well, back to my point, though. The U.S. was a leader in so many different technologies at that time. And you had, believe it or not, it's kind of crazy to look at right now, but telephones. okay telegraphs electricity television radio these were cutting edge things that were happening at a very fast pace and the united states was leading all of these uh technical marvels that were were happening including airplanes and cars and and trains and and ships so yeah you would definitely look to the united states I don't think you're going to look at italy or Great Britain at the time of Soviet Union wasn't what it turned into. China wasn't. China was a backwards farm nation at that point. So you would go to the United States. And yeah, it all makes sense to me in that regard. I'm just not sure if they understood what they were in possession of. Dun, dun, dun. But did the Vatican... Well, I want to go back to one other before we move forward or stay here. Pope Benedict, you know, who preceded Pope Francis, Pope Benedict, Pope Benedict XVI, by the way, his astronomer, his name was Guy, some say Guy, Guy Consolmagno. All right. He said, are you ready? And this is in two thousand and ten. He said that he would baptize an alien. And I'm going to quote him. And this was the Pope's astronomer, the guy, the cat. He said, quote, any entity, no matter how many tentacles, second time tentacles popped up in a quote. Has a soul. And it seems like there was a conversation that was going on at the Vatican. Green men, Martians, tentacles, baptism. Yeah, what are tentacles? What is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What, like octopus and panspermia? Like, is that what they're thinking about? I know, I know. Two separate quotes. So was this... Was this a Vatican inter-office memo that went around? Right? Tentacles. Green Martian. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to throw that in there. What do they know that they need to tell us about these entities with tentacles? Yeah. Yeah. I'm thoroughly convinced that the Vatican had to... respond to modern life and modern knowledge with the knowledge of the universe and exoplanets and the search for life and everything else that is out there. If it is their position, like, you know, page one of Genesis and in the old Testament, if you're going to stay with that, that God created, you know, let there be light and, created the world in so many days, the heavens, the earth, and modeled everything off of what was the kingdom of heaven, you know, and where is heaven and what does that encompass? Well, I think that they needed to turn that into from modern, from ancient type, ancient words, ancient vocabulary, and flip that around into the modern version of what that says. So yeah, I, we have to, if God created everything and created everything out there, well, Martians are part of that. And I think that the Vatican had to start treating this subject in a way not only that the rest of the world can understand, but the Catholics of the world, of which there's between one and two billion. All right. And that's a big chunk. If we have eight billion people on this planet, twenty five percent of them are Catholics. Well, they're educated Catholics. You know, they watch TV. They go to the movies. They read books. You know, they understand science. And, yeah, yeah, I think that's a way to look at it. Now, how do we – Christina, I'm going to throw this right back at you. How do we look at ancient text, the Bible, and how different scenes – were depicted in religious artwork that turned around and was hung, displayed in churches at the Vatican. in and around rome over the years what is being represented here now ancient aliens has done a really really good a really good job at talking about some of these ancient artworks and you and I have done shows on this many times um in the past different wood cuts um and things nuremberg right you know you go and you look at nuremberg today you look at that woodcut what is in that woodcut is it religious Not necessarily. Is it old? It's five hundred years old. And it shows a battle scene in the sky. With spacecraft and things blown up and flaming and everything. That's not imagination. That is something that is captured. Now, flip that over to the religious side of things. I would say that some of the religious art that depicts stuff in the sky is as crazy as anything that we can imagine. And I think it depicts exactly what we think we are seeing. Can I show an image? Yeah, let's see it. Okay. Check this out. Just take a really good look at that. All right. That is the baptism of Christ. All right. That is from seventeen ten. Now it shows the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist. That's what's going on down at the bottom. And this is at the River Jordan. OK. with a flying saucer and beams of light and that's a huge flying saucer if you you know take a look at it but that's in the sky what else could be depicted here I'm gonna say I'm depending on my eyes I don't need any cognitive dissonance to come into play here what are we looking at what do you think is depicted in this picture christina It looks like a classic flying saucer. It really does from this image shooting beams of light. But if I had to think about this from a different perspective, it doesn't even look like a cloud. I couldn't even. No, you can't. Right, right, right. It doesn't look like it. It just it looks no saucer shaped. I want to do this over to the live chat. What shape do you think this looks like? And hit that like button right down below if you're enjoying the show. But aside from a saucer, my brain can't think of anything else. No. And so put on your skeptic hat for a second. Put on your Mick West hat. Put on your Mick West hat. And try to convince everyone that this is the representation of something else. So what would this represent? What could this be? A reflection of seagulls in the night sky. Wow. Or the reflection of Venus and it's hitting the waters and it's creating some kind of parallax. Swamp gas. Swamp gas. Swamp gas. Swamp gas. Um, now my next question, because we've got a bunch of other stuff that we're going to show here. Um, What is the connection of said UFO with Jesus? Now, you're the painter. That's a tough one. And you're trying to get to pretty difficult waters. What is the connection here? And this isn't the only painting like this, by the way. It's simply not. There are hundreds of these. We've got a few examples. I have been looking at this stuff. I've got a folder full of this stuff. And the images are of the same types of craft in the sky. Doing strange things, by the way. Lots of lasers. They liked laser beams, didn't they? They liked their lasers. They like their lasers. All right. I'm going to pull this one down. Let's see. What are you going to surprise us with? Okay. I have a few, some of, some of them that we know about. But let me just, these are favorites. These are, you know, you got to go classic. These are all time favorites. Yeah. Hold on. Okay. So we got one right here. We know about this one, right? See this strange thing. Right up in the corner of her shoulder. What's going on? This one is the Madonna with St. Giovanni. Did I say that right? Giovanni. I feel like I did. Giovanni. Do you speak Italian, Jimmy? I eat pizza. Delicious. Yeah. Very yummy. Do you have a Vespa? I gave up. I gave up. gave up pasta and carbs about four months ago and one of the most difficult decisions of my entire life but I haven't given up meatballs and a marinara you know I can't go wrong yeah I still you know I still have my ways of of getting my Italian uh stuff into my life but yeah yeah no more pizza and but anyway this was painting yeah go ahead when no tell me you tell me oh uh fourteen hundreds fifteenth century but nice do you know in art circles and this is going to sound made up this sounds like some jimmy church uh made up stuff in art circles you know what they call this what don't call this the dominico right which is what uh uh dominico's name is all right no in art circles they call this madonna with ufo yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yep yep and and when they mention that in those they know exactly what painting everybody is talking about but I'm gonna say Christina, zoom in on dude in the background. You can stop right there. Okay. Right there. He is obviously doing one thing, isn't he? He's definitely. Yeah. He's looking at a flying saucer. And which seems to be illuminated around the edges. Right. And cruising through the sky. But he's just like. checking it out. Now, can you misinterpret this? No, you can't. Well, some ideas are that behind the Virgin Mary is an angel or a divine light. Do you agree with those ideas? Angel equals E.T., Dun, dun, dun. You heard it from Jimmy Church first. Look, I'm just saying, right? And if you go back and look at, man, I've said this so many times, but if you go back and understand that knowledge, they knew what they knew, but they didn't know what they didn't know. So having flying saucer wasn't a word. It wasn't an idea, but angels were all right. Flying shields were right. That that's a way to describe because they didn't have another word or an idea or anything to interject or to describe or to preserve what was going on. So, yeah, to call it an angel or anything else, yeah, that's what they knew. But he is obviously looking at something in the fourteen hundreds, in the fifteenth century, flying in the sky. I'm going to ask you, in the fifteenth century, what was flying in the sky, Christina? There really shouldn't be anything. Anything. Except birds. Anything. That's not a blood. I can tell you that. No. Could it be a meteor? Could it be a meteor, a comet? Well, yeah, possibly. It doesn't look like that. What else could be in the sky besides a bird? That is a solid object in the sky. But what's more important here is the painter made sure That that guy was looking at it. There's no question about what's going on in this painting. It's fascinating to me. And I say it all the time. I'll say it again. I depend on my eyes. I look at everything. What else could it be? I'm open to that. Sure. Help me out. Well, we also need to keep in mind that artists had very important jobs in the fourteen hundred thirteen hundred years prior to that and about a few years after that is that not only were they creating art, they had to tell the story for those that were illiterate. They weren't just painting for fun. They weren't just adding little details just to make it more intriguing. They tried to stick to the story as much as possible. Or some believe that some of these artists got kind of this type of divine intervention where they – Either in their dreams or in the daytime and some form of meditation, they would receive these messages on what paintings to create. So their job, even sculptors, their jobs were so important to tell the religious story to everyone of all parts of the world and specifically those that could not read. So everything had a purpose, this thing in the sky, this person staring at it and everything in between. Look, it wasn't labeled as heresy. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't, uh, criticized or anything else. No, there was something going on here and the church was okay with it. All right. Whatever's being depicted, but it's the obvious thing. Is there is a person looks like a man in the background, observing a craft in the sky. That's it. There isn't anything else outside of that to look at or to try to figure it out. Now, what is he looking at? I don't know the facts. The facts are easy. He's there in a religious painting, a depiction. And he is observing a craft in the sky. Now, to get to the truth and what's behind it, I don't have those answers. But clearly, that's what's going on here. Pull up one of my favorite images since we're going on the best of. The Annunciation with Saint Amedeus. Bring this up. Now, this one, I'm just going to say it as Christina is pulling it up. Uh, it appears to me to be a flying saw. I keep saying flying saucer because that's what it looks like. A craft coming down through the clouds, breaking through the clouds, blasting a laser beam at somebody's head. Bam. And through a bird too. Yeah. Yeah. Through a bird. Yeah. The bird got blasted. But that is this. Wow. Right? Zoom in on the flying saucer. Zoom in on the craft. Look how the clouds have been separated. Yeah. And this thing coming through. Yeah, man. Right through the window. Out of all the shapes to create, why make it look like a flying saucer? It's, uh, because that's what it was, you know, but, uh, a beam going through the building, through the floor, blasting a bird. Yeah. People looking at it. Yeah, absolutely. There's all of that. And, uh, coming in and getting blasted in the head through the blood. Through a bird. Yeah. What's up with that? Yeah. Right there. Yeah. Now, the interpretation for this one would be that this person is receiving a message from God while worshiping, while reading the Holy Scriptures. So that's an idea. Or, you know, in today's world, we would classify this as a download, receiving information from a UFO. Which one's the right answer, right? She's reading Galileo's book. Even though this was in fourteen eighty six. So, yeah, really ahead of her time. But as the years and centuries have progressed, there have been different ideas as to what's being seen. And with the more modern ideas of UFOs and visitation for centuries, that's kind of the idea that a lot of people are getting. It's so this is alien, right? Like that's what many people are thinking. I love this. There's a zoom out on that image. I remember, and I've listened to different scholars talk about this over the years and things. And I'm going to say cognitive dissonance for the second time in this show. Because scholars, in the classical sense... are going to stay on the side of dogma. They're going to stay in a certain lane, and they are going to observe things the way that they want to observe them. And so you can't have an open mind. You have to just go, oh, that's the Holy Spirit coming from the heavens, and she's being enlightened, and the Spirit of God is being projected out. All of these things, right? Okay. Anybody else you show this painting to that is outside of religious circles is going to go, somebody's getting blasted by a laser beam from a flying saucer because that's what it looks like. And honestly, goals. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And so you can't, going back to my opening statement, you can't upset the masses. You have to stay in a certain way. And so, yeah, okay. All right. So the spirit of God is coming down from the sky and somebody is being enlightened while they are reading scripture. Okay. All right. Okay. Makes you want to read the scriptures, doesn't it? You know, and I love your comment because it's, It has always hit me. Yeah. It's not somebody getting, you know, assaulted by a laser beam. It's a download. It is a download for sure. I think that, uh, not for sure. I don't know exactly what's going on here, but to the head, you know, she doesn't look like she's being injured. Right. And so is it, is it a download? Is it information? Is it pointing out an individual? Right? Is it a teleportation beam? Yeah, I don't know. But I love it. This is so science fiction, this painting. This is one of my favorites. The Czechoslovakia paintings of the craft with the dudes inside. This is up there with that. That one's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. I like that one as well. Let's see. What else do we have? Oh, oh, oh, oh. Since we're d