UFOs and Extraterrestrials - How Could They Get To Earth??

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If some UFOs are in fact non-human in origin, how are they getting here? Hello and welcome to this episode of Mysteries with the History, where you'll be taken on a wild ride into the unknown, the strange, and the mysterious. Like you, I have questions, and like you, I want answers. And with each episode together, we will peel away the layers to look for the truth. Let me bring in my co-host, Jimmy Church of Faded Black Radio. jimmy hey how you doing you saw me see you guys caught me no no no not now she did it anyway how is everybody doing on this beautiful thursday afternoon roasting hot out here still um but uh I hope everybody is good how you doing christina You could probably make some cookies on the top of your car or something. Oh, 100%. Bacon and eggs. Whatever you want to do, man. I've seen people do it, actually. It's that hot. It's really that hot. I've been riding earlier and earlier in the morning. Today I was out at 7 a.m. And it was like 90 at 7 a.m. At least the breeze is crisp. But the sun, look, look, look at me. Just look. So I wear fingerless gloves. And so you can see where my fingertips are. I mean, totally. That's how much I ride right there. Look at it. Just, man, that is just, yeah, there you go. Sexy time. All right. All right. All right. Yeah. I had to say, I mean, what, what is, I mean, you know what I mean? If I'm walking through a supermarket or walking into a restaurant with this, Do the ladies go, yeah? No, they don't. They don't. I look like somebody that's been on a roof all day, you know, doing roofing or something. Great subject today. Awesome idea, Christina. I don't know where you come up with this stuff. It's just, I mean, you are always on point. And today the subject is, how did they get here? How did they get here? And for this one, I just can't take credit for it. Oh, yeah, you can. Oh, you're taking credit. You're taking credit. Zip, zip, zip, zip. So let's get into today's topic. And when we're talking about extraterrestrials or interdimensionals, NHI just seems to be kind of the word to go for or the acronym to go for these days. We really have to consider how did they get here? What technology are they using? How are they able to harness that specific kind of energy to get from point A to point B? Have they always been here? Are there bases here? These are the questions that we've asked at some point in our lifetime. And Jamie said, hey, we're going to be covering it in detail on all the theories, on the possibilities on how these NHI got here. We, uh, a couple of weeks ago, Christina wanted to do a show on the Fermi paradox that we've done, you know, probably a few times over the years. in one form or another. And one of the overarching themes with the Fermi paradox has changed over the years because back when Fermi and all those other physicists, right, at Los Alamos were thinking about this stuff, now you've got to go back to 1952, 1951, What were they constantly talking about? Well, they were talking about the speed of light, the size of the universe. They didn't have any idea about exoplanets or anything like that. But... How could they travel these vast distances? Because even at the speed of light, you're talking about huge amounts of time. Because why? They had, in their mind's eye, firmly planted a metal flying saucer just cruising through space. Firmly planted. Yeah. Firmly planted. Oh, well played. Well played. But I get that. And everybody thought that way. And as the Einstein special and general theories of relativity say, uh got studied more and the math got looked at different ideas got pulled out of that but one of the walls that we have that we deal with christina is the speed of light and and einstein and and in a general sense that is still accepted Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, because when you get there, you have infinite mass. Time comes to a standstill, and you're talking about huge amounts of energy, like all of the energy in the known universe, right, kind of thing. But times have changed, haven't they? And different ideas are now being put out there. And the idea of time and distance being the constraint of being interstellar, now we have these different ideas that are there. And I would open up this conversation by throwing it back to you, Christina, this conversation today. How has your... thought process changed since you started, you know, this research and your shows and all of the interviews that you have done. How has that changed for you for how are they getting here? Originally, it was the mentality of they are in some kind of nuts and bolts craft getting here. Now, what technology are they using? Are they portal hopping? Are they creating wormholes? Are they using faster than light travel? But for myself consistently, it was they are in some kind of craft, like how we use cars to get from point A to point B. Now that mentality has changed in the sense of what if we really are dealing with interdimensionals to where they're just able to just kind of snap their fingers or use technology, who knows, and they're just able to jump up a realm, jump down a different dimension, all these different things. where they don't have to be within a craft. Maybe they're able to fully understand the environment they're about to get into, and they're able to adapt their bodies more so than using, have it be a spacesuit or a craft to help them with the radiation or the very unique environments that their bodies just aren't used to. So over the years, how I've looked at things has definitely changed and it just seems as if there are more possibilities than I could have ever considered and it you know what it's actually really exciting just to think about these and think what if we had this technology what if we had this knowledge how would we use it what would we use it for so it's been a fun ride for sure in uh when I was a kid I read Frank Herbert's Dune. And I read Children of Dune. I read the books. And one of the ideas that he put forth, which is now talked about, it's like mainstream now today. it's become a part of pop culture, was the ability to fold space. Okay? So now, and you've got to think about when those books are written and the idea behind this. So you get away from the linear, you know, just driving like a car on the freeway or a spaceship out in space and just flying forever. Frank Herbert proposed folding space, but not with engines, not with technology, but with spice. And these navigators, now the important part about this is not the spice or anything, but he removed the engine or propulsion system or energy from it, where you had these beings, they were called the navigators, and they would consume the spice, and that would give them the ability to with their brain and consciousness to fold space. And so the idea behind it, and I'll do it with the way that most people, including physicists, directly describe this. So here's space. And you need to go from this point here. I'll just put a big dot. and you want to travel over to here, right? Okay, so you want to go from one dot to the other, right? And you want to cross. But this is whatever, 1,000 light years, 10,000 light years. Well, you take space, and you bend it, and then you poke a hole through, and you arrive at the other side. And you've done that with space, right? And that's what Frank Herbert, uh, put forward. Now here's the curious thing about that. So you go from one point to the other without traveling virtually anywhere because you folded space and you've now covered that much distance, but just point to point. All right. Here's the thing with that. And this is why there's, there's some discussion about this. the Einstein Rosen bridge, which is now commonly referred to as wormholes. Okay. Um, there you go. The Einstein Rosen bridge, these, um, uh, These equations were reviewed and looked at after Einstein wrote special and general relativity. And out of that, different physicists, including Rosen, went, wait a minute here. Right? And so it was later... it generally accepted as what is called a wormhole, but it is the ability to connect different parts of space and the universe to uh with this and the math says that it's possible and now with our restrictions today we'll spend a little bit of time here we've got a long list of stuff to move on to um is how is a wormhole created And if it is created, how big can it be before it collapses back on itself? How much energy is needed for this? Well, we're getting closer in a theoretical sense where on computers and in software, they have been actually created. Okay? And now, can you pass a particle through it? can you pass a human through it? It has been in numerous movies, in numerous books, uh, specifically the movie interstellar where Kip Thorne, uh, the, the physicist, uh, put forth his science. And if you remember the wormhole that, uh, Kip Thorne, uh, uh, had presented in the interstellar. Wasn't like what we're looking at here. This is what I think of Christina. Don't you, when you think of a wormhole is this kind of idea, right? Well, Kip Thorne, it was a sphere, right? And E.T. created it, put it out somewhere like beyond Saturn, you know, just put it out here. And so we had to cruise out there to it. And it was like a glass sphere. And then you drove into it. And that's what Matthew McConaughey did and his shipmates. And boom, they're off to another point in the universe. Now, I've discussed this with a lot of physicists, including Avi Loeb, and they said, yeah, the way that Kip Thorne has got it, that's probably how a wormhole entrance would look. It would be a sphere, not necessarily a door in space or a tunnel like we're looking at here. But wormhole, what you've got pictured here, is what I think of first. But ET would have... the would have that figured out. What do you think of wormholes? Is it one of the easiest answers to get to? It's, With our current understanding of these theoretical wormholes, it seems like it's one of the more plausible explanations on how beings are able to get from point A to point B by folding spacetime. But currently, we're only able to get an understanding of wormholes through black holes, which is still in this realm of not being fully understood. Even though we're aware of them mathematically, we just took a picture of one just a few years ago, shockingly. But what I'd like to see, which I think a lot of people or scientists are also considering, is attempting to place a probe into a black hole and see if it comes out on the other side. Is there another side? But I love the concept of portals, black holes, wormholes, just because it's amazing how the... Looking at black holes specifically, it's amazing how the universe is able to create these super highly charged energetic points. that are swallowing up all these planets and stars and debris, and it's going somewhere. We just don't know where. So then we're able to build off of that with our current understanding to build off of, to understand portals and wormholes. But this idea, originally came up through math and math equations with Albert Einstein and his theory of relativity. And then you had the John Wheeler's quantum wormhole that he was attempting to understand with his mathematics in the 1950s. And I'm going to share an image here of what he looks like. There it is. There it is. And so his concept of quantum wormholes refers to microscopic tunnels in space-time that could theoretically connect different regions of the universe or even different universes at the quantum scale. And now with a better understanding of quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement, it does have a nugget of truth in this. And what shocks me the most or what... What intrigues me the most here is that scientists are looking at this very seriously. It's not just something that we see in Star Trek, which these are kind of playing out during the same time frame-ish, right? But I like the fact that these scientists are saying, well, the math is saying this, and we simply cannot have science without having math. and then collecting that data. So it's really interesting to see how this is panning out and we're learning more about black holes in particular, but then able to connect that in with portals and wormholes as well. Yeah, it is very, very, very interesting. And the reason for that is, and the reason why the physicists that work on this stuff now are convinced that we're onto something, is that the math checks out. Okay. But the problem is, and, you know, science is science. You can have a theory, you can have the math, but you've got to be able to throw it in a lab, test it and observe it and repeat it. So that's a tough thing to do, right? With black holes, we can't get there. Wormholes, we can't get to one. Time travel, one of the things that we're looking at here in the quantum field. versus the classical sense, is that, and this is what Brian Green is working on right now, is that the math, and they've gone back and looked at these equations, and the math, it's right here on this chalkboard, is that, is it possible to ask a question, and in this case, right, a particle, right, and have your question be, answered before you ask it, right? And that, that is now, are we dealing with a wormhole here? Well, kind of. Um, and are we talking about a time loop? Are we talking about, well, kind of, but the math says that this is possible. Well, that's where we are right now as homo sapiens sapiens to, to look at the math, to postulate this and, and to question it and to look at it. But if that's where we are, somebody else, you just in 50 years, we may have this solved. So an ET civilization out there that is say 50 years or a thousand years ahead of us, uh, would have this worked out. And it seems that it's actually very simple. The question is if, It's all very possible. The question is, how do we get it done and how much energy is needed, if any at all, right? Now, if you look at, I want to get to the interdimensional aspect of this as well. And the reason for that is this. If you look at the movie Contact, that's dealing with a wormhole. E.T. sends us the plans to build the ship, right? Okay, and we all know what happens. But she travels to another part of the universe, interacts with E.T. and her father on a simulated beach, or maybe it was a real beach. We don't really know. And then she comes back on the ship, and she tells her story. But then they tell her, look, check this out. You just dropped through. It was just a fraction of a second. And she's like, no, no, no. She traveled through the wormhole, right? Hung out with her dad. And she had this whole experience. But for us here on earth, it was that split second, right? Do you follow what I'm saying? And yeah, there it is right there. She's on the beach and looking up at the sky. But so we have to consider all of those things. And the other part is, If wormholes are what is happening, then the nuts and bolts craft side of it hangs true. That's the nuts and bolts craft that we are seeing because the craft would come out. You follow me? And then just appear here. As opposed to something that is interdimensional, we're seeing it appear and disappear because it's traveling through dimensions. and not necessarily through space. Follow me? And that's the big difference. And the nuts and bolts craft, the old, you know, the extraterrestrial UFO hypothesis that dealt with this subject, wormholes keeps flying saucers in play. It keeps the physical side of things in play. All right? But now, interdimensional. That's the buzzword today, isn't it? seems to be even though even though it got mentioned I want to say not for the first time but for the first time by Jacques Vallée a few decades ago it's just now becoming a more of this hype term but it's also opening our minds that maybe the things that people are experiencing and encountering aren't just nut and bolt craft or entities, but could also be jumping through dimensions or be interdimensional. So I'm liking how this is going, but it has become a more charged word. Well, it has, but this is where I'm going to throw it back to you. You've had, and you haven't talked about it much, but you had your own sighting. And the way that you've described it to me off air versus you've been pretty restrained about, you know, talking about it publicly, but maybe now's the time, Christina. Do you feel that your sighting now with everything that you have learned was an interdimensional experience? Possibly. Why would you say possibly? See, and before you answer, I have seen stuff appear and disappear in the sky with my own eyes, with friends. And when you see something like that, I mean, the first reaction is it's cool, right? If you scream, you jump up and down. It's amazing. But the immediate after the excitement, right? And then you kind of. you know, unpack what you just saw. And then you come to the realization that you saw something up here and then disappear. That's impossible. You just can't do that unless it was something interdimensional. It just staggered into our frequency range, into our dimension, And then zip back out. Maybe it's an accident. Maybe it wasn't even intended to happen. But the interdimensional part of that, which gets into Ghost and even Bigfoot, for instance. But the interdimensional part, having that figured out, physics say... We've got as many as 11, 12, 20, 21, 22 dimensions and maybe infinite. And that's it. And things exist in those other dimensions. We just don't see them. So the interdimensional part of it is very compelling, at least for me, because I've seen it that way. I think that's a good example. And it's something that we hear so often, a metaphor, is if you grab a spoon and you put it in the ocean water and you don't see any sharks and you say, oh, sharks don't exist because I didn't scoop it up. Right. We can place that same metaphor, that same mentality to the universe and all the amazing things that take place in space, but also with the UFO phenomena as well, just because you haven't necessarily experienced it firsthand. doesn't mean that it's not happening. And this interdimensional aspect to it is truly remarkable because it allows us not only to consider these possibilities, but hopefully for science to also begin to jump on the bandwagon and consider these things as well, which they have been doing with string theory, quantum mechanics, and things of that nature. And so I think it only solidifies science what people experience and maybe when they see something appear and disappear, could it be because they are just tapping into the proper frequency into this reality, into this realm? Are they using cloaking devices, right? i think it's another possibility as well are they able to somehow manipulate how their shapes look the shapes of their craft look and then change and then it changes with people's perception on what they're actually seeing you brought a really good a good example gosh I don't know a year or two ago talking about a car crash incident that you witnessed and the policemen were talking to you and all the other witnesses on what happened during that car crash and what you had mentioned was that all these witnesses were giving completely different descriptions of what the cars looked like, what color they were, what brand, and who hit who first. Even though they all saw the exact same thing, they all perceived it completely differently. And when we look at it from this mundane, it really is a mundane perspective, it makes sense to apply that same theory, ideology, and understanding to these kinds of things as well. You have to. You have to. We all see things and our brains translate and interpolate what's going on with our eyeballs and then it gets stored into memory and then you're going to turn around and repeat it. And you're exactly right. I mean, I stood, I happened to be on, that was with a Harley, by the way, it was a motorcycle accident that was hit by a silver BMW. And I happened to be standing on the corner of When the motorcycle made its right hand turn and was going away from me and the BMW came from the other direction and hit the side of the motorcycle. Right. And it was brutal. And I watched the BMW go down and park at the gas station, uh, where I was standing. Right now I see the whole thing. There's the car. There's the motorcycle. I saw the hit. I saw everything. And there was a lot of people there. People had stopped. They, there were people at the gas station. There were people across the street at this restaurant and there was a large crowd of people. And I was listening and this cop comes up to me and he goes, okay, what did you see again? Because I've got eight different stories. I've got that BMW coming from that direction, from that direction, from behind me. And every, I said, look, man, I saw it happen. Okay. I saw it. And now could I have seen it wrong? Maybe. And I was so, you know what I mean? I was so, and it's the same thing when you have a UFO sighting, I've had people, uh, literally say, no, it came from that direction and pointing at the sky. I'm like, no, it didn't. It came from behind us and it came this way. No, it didn't, man. It was at an angle and it came to what, uh, And, you know, it was orange. No, it wasn't. It was white. Somebody else said it was blue. I've been in this situation where now in an interdimensional sense and in a frequency sense, are we all seeing the same thing, but seeing it differently? How are you perceiving it? You know, and it's not like everybody's right or everybody is wrong. You you've seen what you've seen. Don't be affected by somebody else and change your story. Don't do that. Don't change your memory. Keep your memory the same. And, and, uh, the experience itself is, is for you. And that's the way you need to remember it. Like with the police, the police were asking me, do you want to change? No, I don't, man. I saw. Okay. All right. I get it. But I saw what I saw. And I was right there. And it was amazing to me. I heard this goes, we'll get back to the subject at hand. I remember watching this UFO sighting and listening to the people around me discussing it. And they all, before I say were wrong, right? They all had a different take. And now are we going to start an argument over this? No. And it's pretty fascinating to me where you just have to back up and go, this is something that we just don't understand. And remember, your brain is processing something that it's probably never seen before. right? Your brain knows when a bike is, somebody's on a bicycle, your brain knows, right? What a doorway is. So you know what to reach for the door handle, or are you going to push or pull your brain is, is already a step ahead of you. Before you do, you think you're making conscious decisions in real time. Your brain is way ahead of what you're going through. This has been documented and studied for many, many years. Now, throw in something at your brain that it's never seen before. Well, man, you know, that's just got to get processed. And your brain's going to do the best that it can. And that's when it comes to the UFO phenomena or Bigfoot, something you've never seen before, your brain is going to do its best, but it doesn't have anything else in its hard drive, right, to process and access. It's a very fascinating part with this. And when you're talking about something that's interdimensional or something that's, uh, uh, yes. Uh, uh, Ian, uh, thank you for that. Uh, perception is individual to the person. It's really that simple. Um, you're dealing with space time and, and, uh, the reality of another species running at a different a different time than we do in a different frequency and in a, in another dimension. Yeah. People are going to perceive that their own ways. So that's really the way that it is. Now here's let's change subjects real quick. One of the buzzwords is the three letter acronym, not UAP, but FTL. FTL. Get scientists talking about this. Get people talking about this. You and I are about to talk about this. Faster than light. This was a discussion that was never allowed before. Today, it's fully in play, isn't it? It definitely is, especially with the Alcubierre drive that was proposed by physicist Miguel Alcubierre in 1994. And supposedly it's a theoretical solution to Einstein's field equation in general relativity that could allow for the FTL, faster than light travel, without violating causality. And what's really interesting about this is that while it came out in 94, this proposal, it's really been gaining traction over the last few years. Because for starters, we're looking at the warp bubble concept. And that is that the drive involves creating this warp bubble around a spacecraft. Doesn't that sound kind of familiar when people that have encountered unknown craft enter in and out of the water. They do not disturb the water by any means. There's no splash. There's nothing like that. It's as if these craft have this warp bubble around it. And it's the same thing with the Tic Tac as well, where they noticed that David noticed is that this craft is did not by any means disturb the water it was completely still which is truly remarkable if we're able to access and harness that kind of technology it would be it would be an absolute game changer because inside this bubble space would kind of contract in front of the ship and expand behind it. And the spacecraft itself will remain in a flat region of space, unaffected by the expansion or contraction, and then theoretically allowing it to move faster than light relative to the outside universe. And then you also deal with the space-time manipulation. So instead of the ship moving through space, the space itself moves, Thinking about that in the most mundane way, that sounds completely crazy. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. But it does. It does. Why? Why does that sound crazy? Because you know that when you're moving, it should move around you. Yeah, you're moving it to behind you. Man, you played in a swimming pool. You know, you displaced water and moved it around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same concept. But here's the thing. Miguel Alcubierre thought about this. I don't know where his brain was that day, but it came to him, right? The light bulb goes off. So he jumps into this and starts looking at the math. And when the Alcubierre drive started to make the rounds and people were looking at it, we're like, okay. all right well he circled back I mean nasa got interested but people were looking at this suddenly the warp drive right what star trek right here we go right and uh uh miguel goes back and he looks at his math and he reworks it and he says man it's impossible it's impossible and the reason is It would take the energy of like the known universe for one jump to do this. It just, it can't be where now, since then others have gone back, revisited the idea and looked at the math, uh, including NASA, um, and other space agencies. And they're looking at this going not so fast. I think we can get this done with very little energy. So now the Alcubierre drive is now back in play. It's back in fashion. And I wouldn't be surprised if DARPA, NASA, maybe even JPL, everybody in on this, Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, um, looking at this and we may, there's talk about a functional warp drive, uh, that, that could be used soon, not like in a hundred years, but like next year. And that's, this is, this is the conversation that we're having now. Um, we'll see. I think it's exciting. And it's, it's one of those points where, um, every movie, um, just about, uh, every TV series, every book involves, uh, if you're traveling and you're interstellar, they go hit the button, right? Right. Hit the button. Boom. Stars stretch out, right? The ship disappears. Where'd they go? Okay. And now you've got to go chase them somewhere in interstellar space. And that, that, that is how science fiction happens. You want to be able to visit the stars and other galaxies. And how do you do this and get this done? Well, you are hitting the button and you're going. Here's the problem with that. All right. Einstein clearly states that if you do that in your spot where you are, Time slows down. You get to the speed of light, time stops. Now, if you and I, Christina, are at the speed of light and 99% of the speed of light, you and I are interacting in real time. We're still moving, right? We're still doing this. But to an observer of us, we are, right? We're not moving at all. Now, if we make a U-turn and come back to Earth, and Earth is now 10,000 years in the future, that kind of negates the idea of that kind of space travel. Because if you are hitting that button, like everybody does, watch any episode of Star Trek. Watch The Expanse. I was just watching Space Command Retribution 2. Uh, this movie that's out, it's really good B movie, but it's excellent. The story is great, but that's part of it, right? Let's go, right? Let's go full speed ahead. Well, if you're doing that, where, what is happening with everything else that is around you, you come back to earth or you come back to whatever your family's dead, right? Right. Right. You're coming back at another. You leave on a journey to go fight a battle somewhere. But by the time you come back, it's 10,000 years in the future. And that battle that you flew to go and fight 10,000 years ago is now of zero consequence. It doesn't matter. So that's the part that you've got to be able to have some kind of time machine to come back to where you went on. You departed for your hero's journey, right? You follow what I'm saying? That's the confusing part with all of this. Now to ET coming here, that's point to point, right? They're just coming here, right? If they turn around and go back home, does anybody remember them? Right. Right. That's, that's the thing to consider. It's a one way journey. Really forget about earth. If you and I split at the speed of light, uh, however we are doing it and it doesn't matter. Um, you, you have to detach yourself from your relationships, right? You do your family, your friends, your children, your dogs, your pets, because that's not going to be here when you and I return. And that's the other thing that we have to stop and consider when we're talking about interstellar space travel. And right there, it gets really almost philosophical in some respects, but I The thing is that when we're looking at some of these things, especially when considering traveling faster than light, getting from point A to point B, but time isn't usually running in your favor necessarily, you're right. You do have to detach from your family, from your friends, and it's as if you've already passed away. That's kind of the mentality that... these people in the future will need to have if we're going to be implementing that kind of technology to traverse space. But at the same time, when we're considering these things, while they're still merely theoretical, we can apply that same mentality today in our day to day life, because any point in time today, tomorrow, this afternoon, you might pass away. And so when we consider that, you've got to think, okay, what are my attachments? What am I attached to? How can I make a difference in this exact moment to where it won't be so painful to leave them behind? Yeah, right, right, right. That's such a good point. And these future astronauts or – these space travelers will have to practice that mentally way before their time when they are required to travel. But we are all able to practice that anytime, all the time. You don't have to be traversing space to have those kinds of practices. There is a really good example of that right now, and that is the two astronauts that are stuck, you know, Sunni and Bill, that are stuck on the ISS, right? And in that press conference yesterday from NASA, they're like, hey, man, yeah, they're stuck in space, but this stuff is dangerous. They know that. You know, there's no guarantees. And you've got to put that in play. But, okay, so here's the reverse of it. When we go back to the interdimensional idea, you're not traveling. You're not in a relative position, according to Einstein. Remember, relativity is observation and speed and mass and velocity. So if you take that out of play, And you're just jumping in an interdimensional sense, or you're able to bend space and you're not traveling at the speed of light. You're taking a step, right? That's it. You're crossing dimensions. You're, you're cutting out the Alcubierre drive. You're removing the ship itself. Doesn't move anywhere. You're cutting space out in front of you and you're putting it behind you. Right. So basically, you're getting into the ship and getting out of the ship, but the ship itself is not moving. So does that eliminate the faster than light, the speed of light, time dilation aspect of this? And I would say, theoretically speaking, the answer is yes. So you're able to go from one point of the universe to the other, and you can come back to Earth like nothing has changed. Remember in contact, right? She travels, he's gone. He comes back, but here on earth, she just dropped through. Right. So think about that for a second. So, uh, there's, there's different ways to look at it now, uh, in the time that we have left, uh, let's, let's look at some simpler ideas here. Um, I did, um, I did a conference so many years ago and, uh, and I'm hosting a panel and it was Nick Redfern and Nick Redfern says, and I mean, I had, uh, uh, Stanton Friedman on this panel. I had a shock valet on this panel. It was, it was a great panel. And, but Nick Redfern says, and the subject was, you know, how did they get here? What's what's going on? That's the subject of the panel propulsion systems. And Nick Redfern goes, man, they're on the moon. And the idea behind that now, and so everybody there, Nick Redfern said his father, when he was a kid said, man, they're not traveling all the way across, you know, the universe because it's coming from the moon. Just, just, it's easy. And it was one of those basic statements, this fundamental, and it's, it's, it's non-trivial. it's a huge concept and a huge idea to think that, you know, Fermi and everybody else, you know, discussing this, how they do that, how are they getting here? Where is every, and that maybe they're, they're in, in some, at some celestial body inside of our solar system. And they're not jumping across. And certainly the moon is right there and it's big and it would be easy to hide out in. So, yeah, what do you think about that? It might be able to give us an explanation on why it's taken so many years for humanity to reach the moon yet again. What I find the most shocking about the Apollo missions, NASA getting... the United States on the moon is that we haven't been able to replicate that since. And with which, which it's with the technology that we have today, it's a very mind boggling. And then we have the Artemis programs. They've been delayed. And again, and again. Oh, let's go around the moon, but let's not land on it. Instead, let's put Barbies and Snoopy on there. And then now we're going to do another project with another rocket landing on the moon with nobody on there. It doesn't really make sense. Like the lines, the dots are not connecting. I don't get that. And so if we just consider the mere possibility that it's already inhabited... by aliens, extraterrestrials, and be like, okay, all right. Now the pieces are coming together just a little bit because this gap between the last Apollo mission up until today, which with the Artemis program, they're not going to put people on the moon until 2030? No, 2026. I mean, at this point, I doubt it's going to go on time. right yeah we can't even get to the space station yeah yeah oh oh yeah I know I know I know it's such a good point well um the the amount of evidence that we have now we're getting into real uh deep conspiracy water here okay but it's not just researchers in in our uh community that have been talking about the nasa and some of the reports and and the radio chatter and and and what we have from nasa itself from the apollo missions I would say it's pretty strong that somebody was waiting for us and observing us on the moon. I would say that's NASA. That's not my friends. That's not researchers. And that when we look at that and we consider that, and then what is the other big chunk of evidence that we have? Well, we haven't been back. That's, that's, that's huge. And do you remember Christina? It was about six years ago, a NASA engineer at a press conference talking about, uh, the Artemis mission said, uh, when it was being proposed said to the press, well, we've got the problem of the van Allen belt. And when we figure that out, We'll we'll get to the moon. He didn't say go back to the moon. He said, get to the moon. Right. And, and everybody went back and analyze that. Well, wait a minute. We already tackled the Van Allen belt a lot. allegedly. Now, did we not pass through the Van Allen belt? Did we not go to the moon? What are you saying now? And with the technology that we have today, why is the Van Allen belt such a big deal? And is that what is preventing us, uh, has prevented us from going back to the moon or is it something else? Well, all of this has to be considered, which takes us right to this image, by the way, it's amazing. Did you do that yourself? Yes. That's really good stuff. That's really good stuff. Is that the reason why we haven't been back? And on top of that, why is the United States the only country that has set man on the moon? The thing is that one country supposedly cannot control everyone else, all these other countries. Why haven't others attempted? Well, they have, and there's been failure after failure. But the thing is that if there are brilliant minds in one country, you're going to find brilliant minds across the globe. And that's just another thing that that affects me mentally is why has only one country gone on? And then even in the, in 2024, we've only sent probes. China has, India has the, Israel has, Israel has, Israel has as well, but, but, but not a person. If anything, it's only NASA saying, okay, by said 2026, we'll send people on the moon. What about all these other countries? Why haven't they done that? Russia pumped the brakes on it, right? After the space race, and admitting defeat is surprising if they haven't gone back to attempt and redeem their original failure. Do you consider... I feel a sneeze coming out, so if I do, I'll hit the mute button. Do you consider... the moon, like real space travel. It's not interstellar because that would be going out of our star system, but, and, and I'm not saying that the moon wasn't a big achievement, but is it really? Now that's interplanetary. Getting to Mars is interplanetary. Is the moon interplanetary? Or is the moon just like going to our mailbox? It's like going down to the end of the driveway. You know what I mean? It's not really going to Paris, right? It's like going to the end of our driveway. So do you consider the moon interplanetary or is Mars interplanetary? I think it's putting labels here. But in my case, if you're putting on a spacesuit and you got to take specific technology to get from point A to point B, Yes, I would think so. But then we could apply that same mentality using spacesuits and craft to get to the deep parts of the ocean. We need those things as well. So now that I think about it, that's kind of a toughie. I feel like labels are really, really messing it up. Yeah, that's why when I look at where we are today and I consider these ideas that have been put forward with ET, like hidden bases on Earth, right? That's certainly right there. Of course, bases on the moon. There's a lot of talk right now, not only in our community, but, you know, at the Pentagon that there is the possibility of alien bases in our oceans. And these transmedium craft that are able to arrive from space now and disappear into the oceans. Now, wouldn't that make a lot of sense? It would. The ocean's a big place, right? So you can go and hide and chances are you're not going to be seen. Um, and maybe there's a base there, but I'll tell you another reason why the ocean is a good spot. You ready? The ocean is a good spot because you would be able to recreate the atmosphere of your home planet. Now think about that for a second. If we go to Mars, what do we have to do? We got to build a dome. We got to live indoors. If you go outside, what do you got to do? You got to zip up. You got to put on something to survive. You can't breathe the air. It's not your atmosphere, right? But underneath the oceans, right? Right there, right? You could recreate your home planet. And, and things could be normal. So you come in interstellar interdimensional, you travel the wormhole, you come through our atmosphere and you go straight into the water. You don't, you don't go to New York, right? You go straight under the water and think about that. And, and, and in, in, in most cases, uh, we don't have the technology to get there. We know less about our oceans than we do the universe. Yeah, yeah, it's really true. Think about that. We've mapped everything. We have mapped the moon. We have mapped Mars. Fully, fully photographed it. All of it, right? All of it. But not our own oceans, right? So if you're ET, man, go deep. 20,000 feet, 25,000 feet. And we'll never know about it. Maybe like ever as an ever, and they could have been there. for a very, very, very long time. They could have set up camp and, and figured out a way to, uh, enter our solar system undetected, enter our atmosphere undetected, uh, get to their, uh, uh, ocean base undetected. And we would never, never know, you know, and any sightings would be luck. would be by chance. I think that's a very interesting concept and one that I think deserves more attention because you would be able to recreate your planet and survive and have it be comfortable and fun. Yeah, maybe it's a tourist destination. It'd be a great place. To have tourists arrive. Because you have such incredible. And diverse marine life. That this is why we snorkel. This is why we scuba dive. But the deeper you go. The more monstrous. These creatures look. I mean truly. The angler fish. I mean that one is pretty freaky. And consistently. We are finding. New species. marine life, the deeper and deeper into the ocean we go, depending on how far our equipment's able to submerge into the water. But what's interesting is that with the less light that's happening that's actually really not reaching the bottom of the ocean, these creatures look more and more alien. And so maybe, just maybe, these entities that have these bases under the ocean feel like home. dealing with these marine animals that look maybe somewhat similar to them who knows who knows well christina christina in the time that we have left and we're just about out of time let me address that that is such an excellent point you know why water is water OK. Right. Right. Water's water. So now, hypothetically speaking, like octopus. Right. Where if there's aliens on Earth, look no further than the octopus. So, yeah, octopuses are alien for sure. And so think about this for a second. If we go to Ceres or we go to Titan or we go to Europa and we pierce the ice and we get to Mars, we just found this huge amount of water on Mars, and that was announced last week. So let's suppose, right, we go to Europa, we go to Mars, and we find some creatures and we bring them back. Could you release them? In, in water. Well, yeah, they would survive. Our oceans are saltwater. So that's a different concept altogether, but water, water, freshwater. There's there's, I don't, I don't think there's any issues. No, no, I don't. I really don't. Saltwater is another thing. Right. And we've got that here, saltwater and freshwater, um, animal life. But think about that. If we get something out of the oceans of Europa, could it survive here? And would ET be able to do the same thing? Aquaman, right? Think about that. Yeah, it's a great concept. I'm glad you brought that up. You brought it up originally. You brought up the ocean. I just built on your ideas. But that's all the time that we have for today. Jimmy, thank you so much, as always, for doing this show with me. Who do you have on Fade to Black today? Me. Nice. Yeah, yeah, me. A-J-A-M-A-M-A tonight on Fade to Black. What does A-J-A mean? Ask Jimmy anything. I knew that. Yeah, you knew that. What was the last, here's a softball, what was the last letter added to our alphabet? Think about that. Z? Is that the end of the alphabet? You just graduated from college. Yeah, but not in linguistics. The letter J. What? Yeah. When are we going to add any end to that? Yeah, yeah. And the little squiggle. Yeah, right. Christina, another great week with you. Another great show. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. I'll see you tonight on Fade to Black. Christina Behave, thank you so much. Thank you. That was a fun fact that I didn't know about that J was the last one added to the alphabet. 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