UFOs Alien Visitors and a Warning for the Future of Man

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(00:07) Whitley thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to join me this evening I'm really looking forward to this well thanks for having me I really I'm looking forward to it too when your experiences with the visitors began in December of 1985 it was while you were at your remote cabin in the Hudson Valley area of New York state now at the time the Hudson Valley was in the middle of a UFO flap which many witnesses starting in 1983 reported seeing what became known as The Westchester Boomerang before your (00:42) experiences were you aware of the Hudson Valley area being a hot spot for UFO activity no I was not aware of it in in any way whatsoever uh I uh had been interested in the subject of UFOs when I was a child but I was not a child anymore so it really didn't have any significance for me and I was not aware of the what was going on in the Hudson Valley which was 30 miles actually east of where we were we were in olster County on the other side of the Hudson River but obviously if it's a UFO it can cross the (01:22) Hudson River fairly easily that never happened we didn't see a thing in fact I didn't see one until I woke up in one oh my goodness and you mentioned that you were interested in UFOs as a kid what sparked that interest well I'll tell you first of all I was a kid so long ago that it might be hard for some of you you guys to believe that time even existed that was in the 50s and there were a lot of UFO stories in the news in those days in those days the Air Force investigated them seriously and the that my one of my best (02:01) friends father was involved in something that has become known as the leveland Texas UFO incident where a UFO came low to the ground and was seen by a lot of people and caused their cars to stop and his was one of the cars that stopped and so we boys just we ate this stuff up we were really fascinated but you know you grow up you go to high school you go to col College you basically forget about all that stuff and so when I was 40 years old I hadn't thought about UFOs since I was a boy I since for at least well I hadn't thought about them (02:44) since I was about 13 or 14 and um then suddenly this happened and really I mean you talk about change of life changed my life well i' I've got to admit some of the scenes depicting your abductions in the movie really gave me frightening nightmares back when I was in high school and for me the biggest aspect of that wasn't the appearances of the visitors but rather the lack of control over your situation as things were occurring during the abductions can I ask if if you had to put your finger on the most unnerving aspect to to all of (03:23) it back then was it more of facing the visitors or the helplessness of not being in control or something else entirely yeah it it was the whole thing I wasn't U really aware of any of those specifics all I knew was I had wak up in a room full of what looked to me like gigantic insects unless I had become extremely small which I didn't think so and I couldn't make the nightmare stop it was a very very bizarre experience uh you know because you you have a nightmare like that and you you you want to wake up and be in your bed (04:11) only it didn't help and then to make matters much worse this voice started that started saying what can we do to help you stop screaming over and over again I hadn't been aware of the fact that I was screaming but I'm sure I was and the voice was very gentle and sort of vaguely feminine but totally mechanical at the same time and it made things much more real and uh that that was extremely distressing I never felt so helpless in my life for those that haven't read your books or seen the movie how would you (04:55) describe how these visitors looked well uh I remember remember them very vividly in fact let me just reach over here and get something uh This Is How They looked this is the original communion portrait from the cover of the book and the the big eyes I don't know if the rest of the face is right but those big black eyes were very startling indeed and uh I'm they were glaring right at me I mean they were couple of feet away from my face and then there were these others that were darker dark blue and we wore sort (05:44) of clothes that had a lot of flaps and things on them they looked like workers they were there too and it was it was beyond bizarre I mean to this day if you asked me if they were aliens I would tell you I don't know what they were because nobody's ever shown me a planet that they came from or anything like that I don't know what they were but boy I mean they were powerful they were they overcame me completely I couldn't do anything going back to the Hudson Valley area you know it it's still an active (06:18) and prominent zone for UFO sightings and the activity seems to go through spikes from time to time have you any thoughts on why this area specifically is such a focus for sightings well what I know about my specific area not the Hudson Valley but where I am it's a very unusual geologic formation uh there's a huge seam of iron under the ground there that goes right under actually under my house and starts about uh 20 miles south of the house and goes to about 30 mil north of the house and the Iron Mountain storage facility (07:02) where they store sensitive records is in drilled into that north of where I live it's not near my house but and then at the southern end of it there's a road called magnetic Mine Road where they often see lights balls of light floating along sort of like the marites in Texas so there's something weird about the area something a little bit different a little off and uh maybe that has something to do with it as far as the geology of the Hudson Valley itself or all of those sightings occurred I don't (07:46) know much about it but I do know that these are the unusual things about my area your book communion was published in 1987 so at what point in the timeline of events did you decide to Chronicle what was happening to you and what was the ultimate trigger to make you want to reveal to the world what was going on well uh I had a I had a situation where I was very disturbed by what happened very disturbed by it and I didn't initially occur to me that it had anything whatsoever to do with aliens what I was concerned about was (08:31) that I had been somehow assaulted because to be perfectly blunt I was raped uh a needle was put into the side of my head and I was beat up I mean I definitely something had happened to me only I had a lot of trouble understanding it because the memories were so bizarre I went to the doctor and he confirmed that I had been injured the injuries were there were invis visible and then he asked me to describe what happened and I proceeded to describe the experiences I then remembered it and he said it sounds like (09:12) you're telling me you were taken aboard of flying saucer by little men I said God Tom that does what is what it sounds like and he said well let's do some work let's do an MRI scan on your brain let's do test for temporal Lo epilepsy let's do some psychological IC tests and see where we are here because neither one of us thought for a minute that was really what happened I mean who would think that so I did all the tests and came back normal in every respect and I was just uh appalled I thought then it had been (09:51) criminal activity that someone had assaulted me and maybe laced my somehow got an LSD or something into me because I was a fairly well-known writer and things happen to people you know there's a lot of weirdos in the world there were then as there are now and you know you could we were living alone in the country we had no alarm system or anything we didn't think we needed one maybe I had been assaulted by some crazy person or something uh but then I read the a book my brother had sent me for Christmas (10:30) called science and the UFOs which is I hadn't read it because I opened it and I thought oh no talk about a bad Christmas I just sort of ignored it but then I thought well you know I mean that's they look like aliens and this is Scientifics uh book maybe it's something rational in it and I was appalled to find uh some material that was just like what had happened to me um when was that book written science in the UFOs oh probably in the mid 80s I early 80s I don't know it was a it was an English (11:09) book uh from by a woman named Jenny randles and it mentioned a man called Bud Hopkins uh in in uh New York who lived in New York and he he helped people who had had this experience and so I thought well I'll call him and I did call him and my wife and I went to see him and it was all seemed rather absurd to us because we we thought uh you know here was a guy who implicitly believed this was contact with aliens and they were awful and they were raping us and doing all kinds of things which is all true I mean that's exactly what happened to me (11:52) but uh I didn't have much faith in him to be honest then he says well I want to hypnotize you I thought oh no that's not going to happen so he proceeds to get the best forensic hypnotist probably in the United States involved Dr Donald kleene who was the head of the New York State Department of Psychiatry he did the hypnosis work and uh that was appalling I mean he was he he at that point in his career had helped to solve over 70 cases of child abuse and hit and run and things so you knew he was an expert and it was (12:38) real and when I went under hypnosis instead of what Dr Klein and I both thought would happen is I would stop seeing these weird alien figures and start to see the people who had been doing this and maybe identify them instead it all just became crystal clear it was I and at that point after that I told an the whole story and she listened to the hypnosis the tape of the hypnosis and she said you know Whitley this is an absolutely fascinating experience you should write this down so I started writing and that turned into the book (13:18) communion I had no idea the book would do what it did uh you know what it was was the beginning of contact and I didn't know that at the time I had no idea I would have uh I don't know what I would have done if that if I'd known that the book was such a huge thing because it's a history changing thing now I mean it's obviously that's what it is and uh you know we'll just have to see where it goes but uh here it is over 30 years later and look where I am I'm still I've written many books about it (13:55) and I since and you know it's a it could be a fundamental change in history that's coming it's beginning to look more and more like that every day well you're officially in the history books um back back when these experiences began and from the book communion and the movie my impression was you were more of a victim than a participant and then in your second book Transformation released a year later in 1988 you underwent a fundamental paradigm shift in your perception of what was going on and there's an old (14:29) saying that goes change the way you look at things and the things you look at change is that what happened in your case that you adapted to the experiences by forcing yourself to look at what was going on an entirely different perspective well that's a really a very good way of of putting it that was quite well I'll tell you what happened when I realized that this was something unknown I'm to this day I wouldn't tell you that I think it's aliens I I do think they are something unknown and I don't think we have yet (15:07) enough knowledge of them at least not in the public space to be sure of anything but uh it I decided that my God they're real they are real that happened it wasn't a dream and it wasn't hallucination or anything it was an actual physical event and so I got really curious you talk about curiosity killed the cat it didn't kill this cat but it could have I think because what I started to do was I started to go out into the woods in the middle of the night to the same place where I thought that they had taken me up to send signal (15:58) to them that yeah I'd figured something out I knew they were real and they were there and I wanted to know more and there was a response a big response they entered my life and that's what that's the second book Transformation is about that transformation in me from being a victim to being a Searcher really curious search Searcher trying to understand what they were and how to relate to them and what they could offer if anything now something that I have mused about often is the other dimension aspect to your experiences and others (16:45) who have gone through abduction like episodes and I often wonder if the visitors either originate from another dimension or originate in this Dimension but have such high knowledge of exotic physics that they use another dimension for Interstellar travel through wormholes and or portals and hiding their presence out of the phase of our reality can you tell us your thoughts and perspectives on these possibilities they have extraordinary knowledge uh when we see things like the Tic Tac UFO and the gimbal UFO that the (17:20) government has now admitted are not ours and not anybody's in fact then you know that this is incredible and because it you can see by the way they function that they are not for example Airborne they're not excuse me they are not uh flying they are being held aoft by something else they have incredible capacities to accelerate and decelerate to split into two pieces to go underwater and come out again uh it just they're they're remarkable that means that it could be all of the above in other words if they have mastered (18:08) physics the way it appears that they have then their presence in the world isn't you're not going to locate it and say oh it's another planet it's a parallel universe it's this it's that their presence in the world is wherever they want it to be and they are whatever they wish to be th this reality is their toy talking about the gimbal the Tic Tac and the go fast were these things you were familiar with already as being technology of the visitors you have encountered or do you think they are (18:49) Technologies of another human species nonhuman species well you know you're you sort of had a slip of the tongue there that's very interesting to me because I'm not sure they're not human I don't I think that let me let me tell you what I mean if you look at many species on this planet like caterpillars and butterflies are perfect example how could a caterpillar or for that matter a butterfly ever believe that the other one was actually him in another form or tadpoles and frogs and it goes on there's quite a few (19:29) few different species like that what if we're such a species and we're we're one form and these other these so-called aliens are another form of human being that might be why they're here and it might be why also they are so concerned about our survival because they certainly are they are very concerned about nuclear weapons if you go you can find many substanti iated stories about their visiting uh nuclear weapons facilities around the world number one and number two uh they are very concerned about the (20:13) environment that is the central message of the whole close encounter community that the environment is in trouble and it's up to us to fix it why not them why isn't it up to them maybe because they are us in some very strange way that we do not even cannot ever understand anymore than a caterpillar can understand that he's going to turn into a butterfly so would you at this point given what you just said about them possibly being another variation of us to be able to confidently Express the opinion that the visitors have been (20:56) interacting with our species since vastly ancient times well if that's true if they are another version of us then they've been interacting with us for a very long time for sure but one of the things I think one of the problems we have is that there is a huge disconnect between our academic community and our scientific community and this all of this material because these communities do not want to study this and and because on an individual basis if you said out to study this you're going to be ostracized and the community or in or (21:44) you're not going to be able to get grant money for the studies so the community is kind of behind hand however if the academic Community were to reexamine our whole past all of our mythology especially the mythology we might find some in the context of the fact that of the idea that what people were reporting might have been in some way real in other words the ancient gods weren't just dreamed up there was there was something there uh the ETC and so forth if they were to do that it might the results might be quite surprising (22:29) and the same is true of for example genetic science we've never made a really serious effort to find out if there have been interventions in the human gene genetic code that could not be understood and the reason we haven't is because that would mean someone aliens or something like that and you get back to the community not wanting to to to study that we do need in view of the fact that the government has admitted that these UFOs are real and that their origin is unknown and they're not ours it's time to look back across our whole (23:12) history on a number of different levels to try to reexamine this and find out an answer to your question because we don't have one right now and while we're on the topic of all of this you've mentioned that the book Skin Walkers at the Pentagon is one of the most important UFO books ever written now both the ideas of other dimensions and ancient civilizations have been speculated upon as being the main sources of the strange things going on at the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah can you share with us your thoughts on the (23:46) Paranormal and UFO related activity at the ranch from your experiences and interactions over the years have you any insights or theories that could answer the questions of what is going on there well first of all I've never been invited to the ranch and if I was invited to go to the ranch I'm not absolutely certain that I would go uh because you know it's fine to have this in my life which I do but I'm not necessarily going to stick a plunge a stick into the ant nest uh now I would think that there are places (24:27) on the planet that apparently where the veil between the worlds if you want to call it that is thinner for some reason and that must be one of them I've have known col kellerer who is and George naap who wrote that book for years both of them and they're very straight ahead guys I they're not liars and the Skinwalker Ranch has been studied so carefully and so extensively for so many years there's little uh room for doubt that extremely strange things do happen there the reason I said the book was so important (25:11) is that the book reveals the level of interest within places like the defense intelligence agency uh about this whole subject and an awareness and an acknowledgment that these ultra high strangeness events really do happen that on an official level and I think it's in its many ways it's it is going to lead into more disclosure of what the government has actually learned about this which is probably considerably more than they have told us and we we we I would think we need to be told I really really would think that I I don't think (25:58) they have a Final Solution but I do think that they have more information that needs to come out I completely agree with you but I I think the biggest thing is you know disclosure comes from the public instead of the government and it's been 37 years since your first encounter with the visitors your perception on them on the Paranormal and life after death has evolved considerably since that initial encounter knowing now as opposed to what you knew then can you touch on on some of those Paradigm shifts you went (26:33) through the major ones that turned your life right around yeah my wife an was a major major figure in all of this she was the one who said the book should be called communion not body Terror which is what I was going to call it and she said that because she said Whitley this is what it's about it's about a new way of living and it is about a way of finding our way with whatever they are that would be communion and um then about I guess it was in somewhere in late 1988 or early 1989 and we were getting thousands upon (27:19) thousands of letters very unexpectedly from around the world from people who had had similar experiences in fact those letters are now collected in an archive at Rice University known as the archive of the impossible which appears isn't impossible at all but anyway she came out of her office and she said Whitley this has something to do with what we call death and the reason she said that was that many many of these letters involved contact with the Dead with the dead and and as well as apparent aliens in other (28:03) words the two things would happen at the same time and it give you an example it actually would happen like that at our cabin in Upstate New York an was quite uncanny I mean she was a very sweet gal I mean she didn't have anything in her past that would suggest that she had a cult or paranormal abilities or anything but in fact but she could decide who to bring up to the cabin from the letters we got who would people who would have experiences there and they did have those experiences and we always knew that the (28:40) visitors would show up because people would start to see dead friends and relatives beforehand like example and secretary Lori Barnes who she had found in the letters uh uh like she found all of these people she uh was at the cabin and with a number of other people she was walking on the road in front of the cabin and suddenly her brother was there and she said to her brother my God where have you been uh come down and meet my friends and he said I'm just here to tell you I'm all right and he sort of drifted back into the woods and (29:23) disappeared he had disappeared 20 years before and the FBI had given up the search for him and no one to this day knows what's happened to him but as soon as Lori came sort of Staggering back from her walk and said to me very quietly the visitors will be here tonight and they were and we tried as we tried every time they came to get some kind of video in fact this house is full of video systems it's got two systems in it it's simply safe and Nest both side by side and I'll tell you when the visitors come (30:00) in here and I think they do come in here from time to time although I must admit I don't see them the cameras turned themselves off for some reason so uh and it's not in the software anywhere and it's both systems at the same time so you you there you have it it's it's a wild story and something that I want to pick at is you mentioned based off the letters you would decide who could enter the cabin and those that did when right before encountering the visitors they would see dead relatives yeah what do (30:37) you think is the connection between the two why is that happening that's an incredibly good question that's what an said she said it has something to do with what we call death but what that's another question isn't it we don't know what but it's just something to do with what we call death because the dead well I'll give you another example here's a situation a family is living in a their the wife and husband are sitting in front of the fire it's about 10 o'clock at night their old dog is sleep in front (31:12) of the fireplace he's had his walk and he's out for the night their little seven-year-old boy is upstairs in in bed the following things happen first the dog suddenly becomes extremely nervous very uncharacteristically and wants to go out so the wife takes the dog out as she opens the front door she sees a ball of light go racing past over the house and across the Horizon her husband is in the FAA and she calls back to him I just saw a plane going in on fire you're going to get a call in a minute because he would be (31:50) called to such an accident at that moment their little seven-year-old son runs down comes running downstairs saying mommy daddy mommy daddy Billy was in my room at with these little blue men and he said to tell you he was all right now Billy was his older brother who had died in a car accident the week before the little blue men were familiar to me because you I've seen them and uh this man had just moved Heaven and Earth to get a hold of me because in those days you don't you couldn't couldn't get easily contacted there was (32:30) no internet he had finally found me through my agency my literary agency and I called him because I figured someone trying that hard has to be desperate and he said to me I just want to know if I have any reason whatsoever to believe my little boy and I could tell him yes you do we have lots of letters that describe very similar things if you could go back in time to those early days of your initial encounters with the visitors what would you tell yourself I would tell myself don't be as scared as you are but (33:10) be careful that because I was so scared I was almost like that when I first started going out in the woods at night that was just about the hardest thing I can remember ever doing in my life it was so difficult to put one foot in front of the other and then they showed up actually physically showed up again and I'm I I botched it I was too scared to to go and be with them and then it happened another time and I was still too scared I couldn't do it and I wish I had done that I wish I had managed to do it I think this might be a very (33:54) different world if I had but you also said said to be careful be careful with what well I mean look what happened to me I was raped seen was taken from my body uh thousands of other people men and women had similar experiences back in those days it doesn't happen much now but it did at first and uh so yeah I mean I think you have to be aware of things like that you have to be very aware of it and very serious about it and you do have to be be careful well looking at the way the UFO mystery has been covered in recent years (34:35) and especially the several months at the beginning of this year with daily hype in the news interviews and debates on the government's public interest in handling on the uh of the military pilot sightings the preliminary UAP report Etc do you see a light at the end of the tunnel in regards to more transparency on the topic and if so where do you think things are heading well if the Christian gillibrand Amendment goes through uh that is an amendment that to the uh I believe the budget bill that there will be a an (35:16) organization set up within the government to be a central Clearing House for all of this stuff because right now each agency keeps its own secrets and some of those secrets are probably very provocative like uh it's fairly obvious that the Air Force had a shooting war with these things back in the 50s and a lot of planes were lost and then they went out of the business entirely uh in the 60s on the surface but didn't actually do that and they've been saying for all those years that it was nothing that there's it's all (35:53) nonsense and we have to get past that we have to get past all of that and the parts that are hard like what were the abductions about why was sexual material taken from people what did that mean what where is it were their children created or what was done with it we have to if we know if they know that or anything about that the public needs to be told we need to be included and I think that that's where this is moving by little tiny steps that are going to get bigger and bigger because at the same time you notice the planet's in (36:32) real trouble the planet is changing and your generation is going to face the consequences of what my generation won't do and because you know we're right now we've got this big climate thing that went on but it's not enough and the Chinese are probably not going to and the Indians are not going to be uh very helpful anyway and the Russians can't whether they want to not because our country is too disorganized so uh we're going to suffer the full effects of climate change and along with that I think this (37:10) disclosure process is going to continue and I hope that there will be some kind of connection between us and whatever this phenomenon is because like we were saying before they have a terrific knowledge of physics and even if they're part of us we need to we're sort of schizophrenic now if that's the case and we need to come together otherwise we lose our planet in your generation and I am just horrified about that I have grandkids I have kids in your age group and I love you kids very much and I don't want to (37:47) see this happen to you oh that's that's very scary and this is a very scary time altogether but the but yet it's also exciting because were seeing the ball moving when it comes to the UAP topic and it's interesting that you mentioned the shooting War uh with the UFOs in the 50s because I interviewed a South Korean UFO researcher from my last show and he covered several such instances of the same thing happening over Korea by both Korean and American jets uh during the 50s so I just there's something weird (38:22) about that I don't know what it is so do you have any insights from the visitors or other entities you have encountered in regards to just how many other intelligent species are interacting with humans and this planet it's not a question I can answer because that's a bridge too far for me that gets into the folklore what happens in the human mind is this when we see an unknown phenomenon excuse me we we look through our our inventory of known phenomena and we try to connect them and in the past we probably (39:04) connected the what we call I call the visitors now with the fairy folk of of the Middle Ages or with the sils and demons of earlier times and the gods but now we connect them more with a sort of Science Fiction version of it which is aliens I don't think we've ever known know what it is and I think that it may become more clear soon I don't think the government knows what it is either I think they have ideas but I'm pretty sure I it would be a different world if they if they were certain of what of the where they stood (39:52) the reason I say that is the National Security Act forbids for example the the Air Force from releasing information about anything that may be a threat but they can't decide whether or not it's a threat uh and um that's why that document that was released a few months ago was called a threat assessment and I think that what's going to happen is the government is going to say it's not a threat and when it says that officially all of the secret that now surrounds it legally ends it no longer can be kept kept hidden it will (40:34) be a lot of it anyway that's the way things go in this government in this country but uh it shouldn't be and a lot will be released over time I think well I I know you said that um it's a bridge too far to look at at the question of of how many other civilizations could be visiting us but this leads me to another question and that is the disruptive interactions of UFO with sensitive nuclear facilities around the world both military and power generating corporate installations do you have any insights (41:06) if the intelligences Behind these events at nuclear facilities are the same as the visitors that you are familiar with well once again I can't draw those kind of connections like I don't want to I don't want to assume that it's aliens from another planet a lot of people come on your show and tell you about the reptilians and the Grays and the fight they're having and all of this and we don't know if that's true or not we have no idea so uh we're just we're just connecting dots we shouldn't connect (41:38) however there have been numerous events documented events at nuclear facilities around the world and H it doesn't take any stretch of the imagination to realize that nuclear weapons and nuclear materials are ter terribly dangerous I mean look at chal and what happened to this world and now it looks like the Chinese have invented a weapon so lethal that it can it can generate a surprise attack a Hypersonic weapon that moves so fast and so low to the ground that it there's no way to eve