UFO HEARING 2024 - House UAP UFO Exposing the Truth and Analysis

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today's going to be very exciting as we're going to be watching the second third ufo hearing we got one last year in july of twenty twenty three where we got to see david grush uh ryan graves and david fravor this time it seems like it's following the same music but with different people This time we are getting a former NASA employee, Michael Gold. (00:42) We're getting Lou Elizondo from AATIP, a Rear Admiral Tim Galladet, and journalist Michael Schellenberger, who released The Immaculate Constellation. This is going to be very exciting. I kind of want to say the word unique here on what they're going to be talking about, what questions are going to be asked as well, and the stance that they're going to take. (01:04) We were very lucky to receive their testimonies before they were going to read them out to Congress. Thank you to the Black Vault. And they had to be submitted at least twenty four hours beforehand to Congress in order for them to be disseminated to everyone there. Now, what's unique about this is that for everyone except Schellenberger, their testimonies were anywhere from nine to eleven pages long. (01:33) And then Mr. Journalist was like, I want to make it two hundred and nineteen pages looking at every single UFO sighting that's in public domain. I'm going to cite it. And now I know. and I'm saying this from Schellenberger's standpoint, that it's all going to be within the record of Congress. (01:52) This is a really smart move on his behalf, and I'd really like to see how these people are going to Overall handle the situation. I don't think a lot of the questions are going to be incredibly easy. We saw that in the last hearing. And I'm excited that Chairman Nancy Mace is going to be the one leading the operation. (02:15) She did a really great job in the last hearing asking very tough, pointed questions. And then we're going to be seeing a lot of familiar faces, hopefully, if I didn't bail out last minute. But these people include Annapelina Luna, Tim Burchette, Jared Maskovich, Andy Ogles as well. And there's a few others. (02:36) Robert Garcia. All these people were at the last hearing, and I want to say all of them asked very good and important questions. I'd like for them to rise yet again, because this conversation is very important that we're having right here, right now. And for it to take place today, I'm looking forward to it. (02:59) Originally, the hearing was meant to be in September, October, according to Ana Paulina Luna when she was asked by Ask a Poll. But that got pushed on over to today, November thirteenth. And in some ways, I'm kind of happy about it. But at the time when it didn't hit the deadlines of September, October, I'm like, come on, guys, what is going on? And then it clicked the elections. (03:26) If that hearing was going to take place in September, October, it was going to be outshined by the elections. But now that that is all over and done with, I think there's going to be a more level of seriousness and interest on this hearing more so than doing it beforehand. But what do you think about that? Are you disappointed that didn't happen sooner in the fall? Or are you kind of seeing what I'm seeing here of like, oh, okay, that kind of makes sense. (03:58) Thank you, Rose. Says, I choose to be here today on Christina's channel. Thank you so much. What's going to be great about this one is that once the hearing is over, I will be providing an analysis of what I gather from this hearing. And there will also be a timeline index as well of all the people talking and and an overall grasp of the questions that were asked, like what I did in the last hearing as well. (04:25) So keep an eye out for that. And then tomorrow I will be doing a more detailed analysis after watching the hearing a few times over, doing a bit more research, and then we can go from there. So it's going to be almost a two-part show, hearing with a short analysis, and then tomorrow a more full-blown analysis. (04:44) Today... Jimmy Church is in Peru, so he will not be joining me like he did last year. So instead, it's just going to be you and me. And I'm pretty excited to hear what you're going to have to say about this. And you'll definitely keep an eye out for my eyebrows because they speak volumes. I don't know, but they're just so expressive. (05:04) So when I hear something... My mouth might not move, but my eyebrows will be all over the place. So keep an eye out for that. And make sure that you're staying hydrated, having some food, having some drink. I'm guessing it's going to be, what, an hour, two, two hours long. That's my guess. Like last year, again, I'm literally just taking the backbone understanding of this hearing from last year. (05:31) It could be completely different than I could ever expect. know how this is going to pan out, but it keeps us on our toes. Does it not? So, and we're doing this together. So I don't feel like I'm going in the dark alone here. We're all doing it together and it makes it that much more fun. Chris says, yes, my eyebrows has a mind of their own. (05:58) I think that they should. I think eyebrows are very expressive. And if your eyebrows can move in all fun kinds of ways, they should be expressive, right? They should have their own language. And I'm so glad to see so many people in the chat, so many familiar names and some brand new names. I want to say hello and welcome to everyone watching this live and those catching this show, this channel for the very first time. (06:27) It's great to see you here. And I'm so glad that you're spending this time with me to talk about this hearing and what's Something to mention here for those that haven't watched my previous shows that talk about the people that are going to be at the hearing, the background, the information that's been provided a few days prior, is that the title for this hearing is Exposing the Truth. (06:51) That is such, and I'm going to say it, it's such a click-baity title. I don't really know how they're going to move forward with that in the sense of what does it mean to them and then what are going to be the following steps on how to... keep exposing the truth per se. It's going to be interesting. (07:13) So here we're watching the feed, and it says the Committee on Oversight and Accountability, and it will start soon. Last year, they didn't start on time. So I don't have high expectations that they will start on time this time around. But hey, I could be wrong. And you know what? I don't mind being proven wrong. (07:35) Brian says, time to make some coffee. It's always coffee time. Every single time. P says, the chat is going to be wild. You guys are going to catch some things that I miss and vice versa. I'll be taking notes. Will you be taking notes is the question here. But if you don't, it's okay. That's my job. (07:54) And I'll be doing that for you. So there ain't no sweat there. But it's going to be very cool. Okay, we still have the stream going. Let me just take that down for a second. All right, looks good. Okay. Now we all wait in anticipation to see what's gonna happen here. There it is. Nice. Now we just wait. (08:24) Brian says, coffee, twenty four, seven. The question is milk and sugar or just black for me. Black coffee tastes like dirt. But that's that's just me. I got to have milk and sugar in mind and preferably a lot of it where it's like almost diabetic. So good. Popcorn is ready, says Soul Sparkle. Has to. (08:47) It's like a it's like a full blown drama over here. Got to have popcorn. Okay, Eric says, I don't drink coffee, more of a homemade apple cider or hot chocolate. Delicious. I love hot chocolate. Do you put cinnamon in it? It's always a good little touch to add from time to time. I'm loving that people are mentioning what they are eating and drinking. (09:15) So exciting. Just before coming on, I had some arepas with cheese and egg. Okay. Ten out of ten. So good. That was breakfast. And then a cup of coffee to accompany it. So it should be starting in the next six minutes or so. And to my understanding, Nancy Mace will be one of the first people speaking at this hearing as she will be the chairwoman for this, which really means she's the one looking over this entire hearing, coordinating it, organizing it, and all of that fun stuff. (10:07) She's really been... promoting it on her Twitter, now known as The X, doing a great job there. And I cannot emphasize enough that last year she did such a great job asking fantastic questions that I have high expectations here that she has done even more research than last year asking bigger and better questions. (10:30) What was interesting is that a lot of the representatives last year asked overall brilliant questions. They were familiar with the topic more so than I expected, and I'm not sure if it was because they had a genuine interest in it and they formulated their own questions or if they had assistance from their team to ask questions. (10:51) I'm not sure, but... from last year and the information that we have so far for this year's hearing, my expectations are higher than I anticipated them to be genuinely, honestly, but I still have no idea where this is going to go, what's going to happen. And if they're going to address the title that they named this hearing being exposing the truth, I just, I can't get over that. (11:23) What does that mean to them? And what steps are they going to take in order to continue to expose the truth? How is it going to benefit humanity? How is it going to benefit UFO transparency? Something that is worth mentioning, and I think is very important as well, is that when we're looking at Timber Shat and Apollina Luna together, Gates, Maskovich, and so on, these people that are part of this UFO caucus, they have stated consistently that, and I'm actually going to be paraphrasing slash quoting Tim Burchette here, (11:57) of it's not about the little green men. It's about the funding. Where is the funding for these UFO offices going, the UFO research? That's what they really want to know. And in a sense, that is a level of UFO transparency of when and how and where we know where the money is going. It's public knowledge that the Pentagon hasn't passed an audit in years. (12:25) In years. So... These government officials, these congressmen are saying, we ought to at least know where the funding is, a lot of funding for this UFO research, the equipment, the manpower, the data collections, all these different things. And so when we're looking at this hearing, we have to have that mentality in mind. (12:52) And maybe the people speaking will throw some curveballs at us, like what Dave Grush did about non-human biologics, reverse engineering programs. That wasn't really a part of the, quote, protocol or the path that was supposed to be taken at the hearing last year, but it did. So I'd like to see how they're going to one-up this one. (13:19) Stephen, thank you so much for the nineteen ninety nine. It says phenomenal show. Killer content. Thank you. And Tom Snyder, thank you so much for being a YouTube member, along with Richard as well. Thank you. And Brian, thank you so much for the five dollars super chat as well. I appreciate all of you and everyone catching this live as well. (13:38) You guys are awesome. You guys are super cool. We are just two minutes before the hearing starts. hopefully, but I don't know if they'll be starting on time. So while we wait a little bit longer, I'd like to hear what your expectations are. Do you have any? What are you hoping will be asked? What do you think will be completely avoided? Let me know in the chat and we will read them out loud. (14:12) Oh, Charles says Mysterga's kidnapping by aliens? That's interesting. And if you are excited for the hearing, hit that like button right down below. And for this show, share it on social media. It's important that every single person watches this hearing. Compared to last year, not as many eyes were at this hearing because there was the Johnny Depp, Amber Heard, nonsense. (14:42) And there were millions of views on that. People were so wrapped up in their drama of divorce, messy divorce. And the hearing was kind of pushed aside. This time around, there is nothing happening in the vicinity of this hearing. No elections, no messy court hearings. It's just the UFO hearing. And so there is no excuse for to not watch it either now or a little bit later today, after work, after putting the kids to bed. (15:17) We have to watch it. That's how important it is. So hit that like button right down below and share it on social media as well. Jessica says consciousness will be avoided. Oh, maybe we might be surprised. Let's see. Dana says, I'm underwhelmed but curious enough to not take the chance of missing something. (15:43) I like that mentality. It's a good one. I will give you guys some more time to let me know what you think will be spoken about and what you think will be avoided. because I would like to know. And there is a poll up on YouTube right now. It has six hundred and eighteen votes. And the question is, what are your expectations for the UFO hearing right now? Eight percent say epic blockbuster win win. (16:23) Fifteen percent say eye opening and controversial. Fifty two percent. The winning option so far is moving the needle forward a bit, just a bit. And then twenty six percent coming in second says a nothing burger. Who who knows? Right now, we're all in the dark here. None of us know what's going to happen. (16:47) But it seems like overall, half of the votes are optimistic. And then coming in second are saying nothing to see here. And yet I'm not going to afford to miss it. And I can dig that mentality. It's worth staying. It's worth sticking around. And if you do not have the time to watch the entire hearing, I cannot emphasize enough, tomorrow I will be doing a full-blown analysis. (17:13) And you know, for all of my diehards, I do write articles for all of the shows that take place right here in all of my research. So if you're like, I don't want to watch, You can just find all of my articles on Medium at Christina G. That link is in the description box below. I like to keep you up to date as much as I can and give you that information as easily as possible. (17:37) Because if I think it's important, I think other people will have that same mentality as well. Lasso says, I didn't finish reading the Testaments yet. They are worth reading. They're very, very interesting. But if you didn't catch it, don't worry. Yesterday for yesterday's show, I covered it in the second half. (17:57) And it's going to be shorter than you reading all of them, especially when we're looking at a little under three hundred pages. So you can find them there. But the biggest takeaways and actually, I'm really glad that you brought this up. So here are the biggest takeaways for Michael Gold, who is former NASA, said, let NASA take care of the. (18:20) UFO research. Let them do it. They are so smart. They're doing so great. They should be the ones in control. And I said, no. Why? Because when we got their UFO media briefing where Bill Nelson said, we're transparent and you can be at your boots. They were not transparent by any means. So they proved themselves to the world that they're not ready to provide UFO information to the masses. (18:49) So then you had Luella Zondo that states, there needs to be a central government here where everyone can report their UFO sightings to one office. Because right now, all these different agencies and offices are collecting their own UFO data. We know this because when Sean Kirkpatrick was giving his talk to Kirsten Gillibrand during the Arrow funding hearing, not too long ago, At this point, it's a blur. (19:22) But during the Arrow funding hearing that took place within the last twelve to twenty four months, it was stated that Arrow's having some difficulty getting information from all of these different agencies. So if we're able to have just one office, just one agency or one pool where all this data can go in, That's what matters. (19:47) And so that's what Luella Zonda was pushing in his testimony. Then you have Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, who will be, to my understanding, talking about USOs, which are UFOs underwater. And his research as a notionographer and the things that he has seen and encountered both with his own eyes and through data collection as well. (20:10) And him and Lua Elizondo hold a very similar stance on what they want to see and how the government will proceed to collect UFO data. And of course, to make that information public if it doesn't infringe on national security issues. And then lastly, with journalist Michael Schellenberger, his stance was, let me write two hundred and nineteen pages of all the UFO sightings that are in the public domain so that it can be in the congressional record. (20:40) Props to you. OK, you're awesome. And then also writing about how important this topic is and then a little bit on the immaculate constellation. So I would like to see how he's going to address that, because right now we still don't have the name of the whistleblower that reached out to Michael Schellenberger. (21:00) So in this case, people would clarify it as hearsay. It's there's nothing. However, the media and Congress are seeing this very differently because if the Immaculate Constellation report that he gave wasn't important, he wouldn't have been invited to speak in front of Congress. So that means that these congressmen know that there's something to it. (21:25) There's a level of credibility there. Enough, at least enough, for them to invite journalist Michael Schellenberger to speak in front of Congress under oath as well. That's going to be very interesting. Android, thank you so much for the five dollar super chat. It says there is one thing happening today. (21:44) The presidents are meeting at the White House now. Unfortunately, the news will likely be covering that drama today. No. Why is there always something happening during these hearings? That is so disappointing. I'm upset, but thank you for keeping me in the loop on that because I would have missed that one. Now we know. (22:06) Now we know that millions of eyeballs might not be watching this right here, right now, but maybe later today, maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow. We've got to be optimistic here. Drinking some coffee right now with too much milk and sugar, but that is the only way I like it. Let's see. Let's see. So, of course, they're not on time. (22:33) Here's a screen. They're not on time. They're six minutes, seven minutes late. Shocking, not shocking. So while we still have this time together, thank you for being here and watching this hearing with us because we're doing this online. One-on-one, it feels like. Hit that like button. Share this stream with others online. (22:53) This is so important. And while we are waiting, I would love to hear your thoughts, your expectations on this hearing that will take place momentarily. Now, when exactly? Hopefully in the next sixty to ninety seconds. But my hopes are not high for that one. Let's see. Yeah. Rodrigo says, typical. I know. They're just not very punctual. (23:23) But it's hard to get a lot of people in one building to sit down, have their paperwork ready, running around like headless chickens, getting their coffee ready. People are unpredictable. They are. So I can get that it's a bit hard to get them all inside. Ooh, Mysterious Mystery says, what if they roll out some alien bodies? The Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Information Technology, and Government Innovation and the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs will come to order. (23:57) Good morning and welcome everyone. Without objection, the chair may declare a recess at any time and I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening statement right now. good morning and welcome to today's historic hearing which I'm co-chairing with mr growthman whose subcommittee held an important hearing on this topic last year I want to thank my colleagues on the oversight committee including mr birchett mr burleson ms luna mr moskowitz mr garcia for their relentless drive to get answers on uaps They've been steadfast in (24:34) demanding transparency on the sightings reported by military pilots and armed forces. Their commitment to digging for the truth is exactly what this country needs to cut through the secrecy surrounding this issue. And many high-ranking individuals in the military and intelligence communities believe UAPs demand greater attention, and thus the purpose for this hearing today. (24:58) former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster said on Bill Maher's program that, quote, there are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by the science available to us. Army Colonel Carl Nell, a member of the federal government UAP task force, said at a conference this past May that non-human intelligence exists, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. (25:25) This interaction is not new and it's been ongoing and there are unelected people in the government that are aware of that. But UAPs remain a controversial topic. I'm not going to name names, but there are certain individuals who didn't want this hearing to happen because they feared what might be disclosed. (25:44) But we stood firm. No amount of outside pressure would ever keep me from pursuing a subject to ground, come hell or high water. On that score, I want to thank our witnesses for being here. We have before us a panel of individuals accomplished in the military, in civilian government, in science, and in journalism. (26:04) Some of the testimony you will hear them deliver today does not reflect well on influential individuals and agencies within the US federal government and perhaps some of our contractors. It's never easy to present such information publicly. So I appreciate our witnesses voluntarily agreeing to being here today. (26:24) This hearing is intended to help Congress and the American people to learn the extent of the programs and activities our government has engaged in with respect to UAPs and what knowledge it has yielded. This includes, of course, any knowledge of extraterrestrial life or technology of non-human origin. If government-funded research on UAPs has not yielded any useful knowledge, we also need to know those facts. (26:51) Taxpayers deserve to know how much has been invested, how much has been spent. They shouldn't be kept in the dark to spare the Pentagon a little bit of embarrassment. The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and the intelligence community have long been abysmal. (27:15) The Pentagon has failed six consecutive audits. In fact, it's never actually passed one. Adding to this is a runaway over classification of documents and materials, a reluctance to declassify materials when appropriate, and at times an outright refusal to share critical information with Congress. In short, it's not a track record that instills trust. (27:41) So Congress has tried in recent years to lift the veil and find out if information about UAPs is being withheld, not only from the American public, but also from their elected representatives in Congress. Part of the transparency effort was legislation created in the Pentagon, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or AERO, but the new office is struggling to get its footing. (28:05) A recent statute orally required report from Arrow intended to illuminate the government's historic assessment of UAPs was heavily criticized by those seeking UAP transparency. The report has stoked suspicions Arrow is unable or perhaps unwilling to bring forward the truth about the government's activities concerning UAPs. (28:28) I'm disturbed that Arrow itself lacks transparency. Even its budget is kept from the public. So if there is no there there, then why are we spending money on it and by how much? Why the secrecy if it's really no big deal and there's nothing there? Why hide it from the American people? Because I'm not a mathematician, but I can tell you that doesn't add up. (28:54) I expect some of our witnesses to share their views on that arrow report. We will also hear from the witnesses today allegations of UAP related misinformation and disinformation by government officials of which they are personally aware and directly experience. And we will hear testimony today concerning recent revelations about a purportedly secret UAP program whose existence and findings may have been improperly withheld from Congress. (29:21) But before we get to the witnesses, we're going to have a few more opening statements from our colleagues. And one thing I wanted to add at the end of my closing statement is there is a document that will be entered into the congressional record today. Mr. Tim Burchett from Tennessee has this document and we just distribute it to every member up here on the dais of this document. (29:42) But this is going to be the original document from the Pentagon about Immaculate Constellation that Michael Shellenberger delivered to Congress today. So thank you, Mr. Schellenberger, for this information. We are all reading it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into the record. But twelve pages about this unacknowledged special access program that your government says does not exist. (30:12) So with that, I would acknowledge my colleagues, Mr. Garcia. I wanna say, first of all, to Mr. Connolly, who cannot be here today, the ranking member on my subcommittee on cybersecurity. I wanna say that I was greatly saddened to hear about the recent news of Mr. Connolly's cancer diagnosis. And I wanna convey to him and to all of our colleagues, we wish our very best to you and a full and speedy recovery. (30:36) And with that, I would acknowledge Mr. Garcia for five minutes. Thank you. Thank you very much, Chairwoman. I want to thank the Chairwoman and the Chairman both for their continued support. and really treating this discussion and these hearings in a way that's bipartisan. I think one thing that's very important for all of us that are interested in the conversation around UAPs is that this is an area that both Republicans and Democrats, where we may disagree in a lot of other spaces, this is an area where bipartisanship is really important. (31:07) And in fact, I would add it's critical that we all continue to work together in a way that moves forward with the truth, and important disclosure. So we're here to have a bipartisan and serious conversation, I believe, about our national security. We should always ground these conversations in facts, evidence, and the data in front of us. (31:26) I want to note that we have our witnesses here. I want to thank you all for being here and note that also we, amongst you, have folks that have also served us in our military. And I know that for many of you, this has been a difficult process, but I'm very grateful to have you with us today and thank you for joining us. (31:42) I also want to note that today's hearing builds on a quite I think also historic public hearing that we had many months ago that Mr. Groffman and others helped lead in this very same hearing room where I believe we began a really important public conversation about UAPs and so I want to thank him for that and I especially want to thank Chairwoman Mays for her continued advocacy on this topic. (32:06) I also want to start with some facts. We know that there are objects or phenomena observed in our airspace, as your witnesses will testify, and also possibly in our oceans. In many cases, we don't know what they are, and this is, of course, why we're discussing UAPs. Now, the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, AERO, has reported hundreds of UAPs that remain, quote, uncharacterized and unattributed. (32:28) and which, quote, appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities and require further analysis. This is our own aero office. Now, we shouldn't prejudge what they might be. I'm certainly not going to. We need evidence. But we are detecting things, and we know that we don't understand them, and this is worth investigating. (32:47) Now, the American people have legitimate questions, and I believe it's critical that Congress should help address them. This is about the truth and science and facts." Now, transparency and faith in our institutions is vital in a good democracy. Now, I'm proud to say this hearing will build on that important bipartisan work, and I want to thank everyone for being involved, including members of our committee. (33:09) Now, in our last hearing in July, we heard testimony that a significant number of pilots of major airlines have witnessed UAPs as well, but have no real confidential way of reporting them to the government. We heard that commercial pilots who encounter UAPs may be hesitant to speak openly due to stigma or fear of retaliation. (33:25) We also know that Aero has reported that, and I want to quote, that most reports still reflect a bias towards restricted military airspace, a result of reporting from military personnel and sensors present in such areas. And so the lack of ability for civilian pilots raises real safety concerns and limits our ability to understand UAPs. (33:45) This is a particular piece of this conversation that I am very interested in. Now, our last hearing inspired us to introduce the Safe Airspace for Americans Act, joined by Chairman Groffman, Chairwoman Mace, and a bipartisan group of co-sponsors. I see some of our leaders from Safe Airspace for Americans Act here, and that would create a a safe reporting for UAP process, which we want to continue to do. (34:08) Now, members of both parties and senior officials in multiple administrations have now taken an interest in this issue. Mainstream media, in many cases, are beginning to take more of an interest in this issue. And we should all be proud to carry that work and build confidence for the American people. I believe we can always be more transparent. (34:25) To me, this hearing and others are simply about the truth and getting to the facts of what these UAPs actually are. It's very important that we show that Democrats and Republicans in Congress can work together to cut through misinformation and look for a serious and thoughtful way to have the discussion in public. (34:43) Many of us have also called for additional public hearings to discuss UAPs. This should be a topic that continues on throughout the Congress so that we can gather more information, data, and work with the relevant agencies to gather more information. Finally, I just want to add that those that are here on this dais, many of us have participated also in classified briefings as well, and where we have also gained a lot of important, I think, and interesting information, at least I personally And so with that information, (35:12) we want to continue today's hearing, and I thank all of our witnesses for being here. And with that, I'd like to yield back. Thank you, Mr. Garcia, and I'd now like to recognize Mr. Grothman for a five-minute introduction. Thank you. Good morning. I'd like to thank our witnesses for being here one more time. (35:28) This is a topic I've been interested in since eighth grade. I'd like to thank Ms. Mace for working with me on this topic and for making this a joint subcommittee hearing. Last year, the Subcommittee on National Security of the Board of Foreign Affairs held an historic hearing to understand the potential national security risk of unidentified anomalous phenomena, or UAPs. (35:50) We heard from former Navy Commander David Fravor, who shared firsthand experience with the UAP engaged while on duty in the Pacific. We learned from David Gresh, a former member of the intelligence community who revealed the supposed existence of secret government programs hidden from congressional oversight. Additionally, former military pilot Ryan Graves informed us of the limited ways in which the military and commercial pilots can report UAP sightings. (36:17) Since that last hearings, I've led several briefings with government agencies to deepen my understanding with these issues. First, the Department of Defense Inspector General's Office informed us that the Department of Defense does not have a streamlined process for service members to report UAP activity. (36:34) Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP reporting across the services. The Intelligence Co