Sean Cahill on USS Nimitz CSG UFO Sightings - Classics Remastered

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This remastered interview includes bonus content of additional questions and answers originally made available only to members of Cristina's Patreon members club. So I wanted to get started by asking you between 1995 and 2004 before you saw the Tic-Tac object while serving on the Princeton did you ever hear accounts from others in the service regarding UFOs or were the events of that night your first exposure to the phenomenon? The closest I had come to that point to hearing anything official, you know, not just a story about something someone may have seen in their lifetime, (00:45) you know, something that was that made more sense. I or made sense to what I thought was the zeitgeist at the time was a friend who was a security police in a portion of what everybody else calls area 51 and I thought that was really neat and interesting and that was before the the satellite photos had been declassified a very 51 and we all knew that it was a real place beyond that just other people's anecdotal sightings but nothing nothing official whatsoever. (01:17) So Dixon has a question he says, "Hashon, seen Biden's first UAP response?" I haven't. I actually a friend of mine texted me the video clip of it and I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. No. When what you saw witness on the bridge wing in the sky that night must have really shocked you as things were happening. (01:38) Can you recall what was going through your mind as you were watching these objects do their movements and then disappear? It was, you know, I often tell the story of my wife comment the other day she goes, "You tell it the same every time." You know, it was five to seven lights off the port bow about 45 degrees up and I think about 2000 feet in elevation moving towards the center together and then each of them blinking out and at the time I just I didn't know what the heck I was looking at. I mean I had gathered a little bit by that point (02:13) we hadn't had any open discussions that we were chasing a UFO per se but it had been kind of thrown around that that's what we were. That's what these were. You know, we didn't know what they were and they were flying around, et cetera. So during the time this was happening, there were already rumors being thrown around of what it could be. Oh sure. Yeah. (02:35) Yeah. I mean Kevin and I I'd asked him a couple of times. Senior Chief Kevin Day. What are we doing here? And I mean I knew that we were looking for something that we couldn't identify and we were at first we were trying to determine whether or not they were real or whether they were ghosts in the radar so to speak. But then later on when it was obvious we were if we were going to sorty jets after them they were real. (02:58) You know, so then seeing that that in the sky it just didn't compute if you know if you know what I mean. There's nothing that should have moved and acted like that where we were whatsoever. Another super chat and it says how likely is that military has already attempted or will attempt efforts to communicate with the phenomenon. What would what would that look like? You know, I I couldn't hazard a guess as to the military doing it. (03:30) I don't think that it's their job to to open up diplomatic communications or communications of any kind like that. I would say that if people were interested in ways that the government or the government entities have tried to communicate with the phenomenon they might want to dig deeper into some of the data that's come out of skin walk or ranch. (03:47) So you weren't alone in seeing these objects. Do you remember the reaction of the other person on Outlook with you? Look out with you. Yeah, it was a young gentleman. I can't remember his name. But I turned to him and I said, "Did you see I looked in Devni?" I said, "Did you see that?" And he was looking back at me mouth open and eyes wide and he nodded and he said, "Yes Chief, I did. (04:11) " And that there really wasn't a lot more to say. It was that incredible that we were just kind of like going like that. And I walked into the bridge and went about the rest of my watch. I don't think Kevin was on watch, so I didn't call him at the time. I spoke to him the next morning at breakfast when he he told me that we received the gun camera footage in the over the cipranet the night before. (04:34) And have you kept in touch with that Outlook the lookout person by any chance? Or have you contacted you since? No, he has not identified himself or reached out. I didn't know who it was. It was a watchstander who at the time I was the Chief Master at Arms on the ship and that watchstander would have been someone who had just gotten on board within the last couple of months. (04:54) It was a very it was a junior watch station. And looking through what's called my cruise book, which is kind of like a yearbook for the ship during that period, I couldn't find the face that I recognize and remember. So it's going to be up to him to go, oh, I was there with him. And I'll know if it was him or not. I remember exactly what he looked like. (05:15) During your interview on the CNN earlier this week, you mentioned that objects were displaying characteristics that would put them technologically anywhere from between 100 to a thousand years ahead of us. Was that statement based upon what you saw with your own eyes? Or was it observed on radar and captured on video or all of the above? I would have to say all of the above. (05:39) One of the first things that Luis talked about with me when he interviewed me over the phone a few years ago was about those characteristics in the sky. And it was very helpful to him to hear someone describing some of the five observables, even though they didn't know about the five observables yet. (05:56) So it was another triangulation of data, you can say. We had radar data, we had pilot data, we had camera data. Now we had eyeballs on the bridge of the Princeton. Gary Borhes also witnessed them at one point through the big eyes during a different time. He and I are pretty sure that I was on watch at the same time, but I didn't, we didn't cross paths when he came up to use the big eyes. (06:24) I'm sorry, I think I lost a little bit of connection. Can you just repeat the last sentence? Sure, I was talking about the fact that Gary Borhes also witnessed the the tic-tacs and the lights, the tic-tacs in the sky. He had come up to the bridge and he had witnessed them through the big eyes. I was just mentioning that he and I have discussed this too and we think that we were both that this was while I was on watch, but he and I didn't cross paths when he came up to the bridge. (06:52) So I wanted to take a step back from the off-road origin concept for a moment for these objects. Given the statement on the 100 to a thousand year ahead tech, has that in your opinion discounted the possibility of them being a result of foreign adversary, technology or experimental US military assets? Well, I think that we need to make sure that we focus on something specific when we're trying to talk about the subject because we're talking about generally a 70 year investigation that to me spans a wide spectrum of events. (07:26) So if someone says, are they this or are they that? My answer is always going to be probably not. And I don't know because it's such a wide spectrum of things. It would be silly to make a binary choice like that. However, I think what people are asking is do I think some of the things that we have seen might they be our enemies or our near-pure adversaries or other groups of humans and with human technology spoofing us? That is possible. (07:53) That is completely a possibility and we need to be able to train our military and our first responders to be able to determine the difference between those two things. The day after you saw the objects, you were able to watch a segment of the now released footage of the UAP. In your opinion, has the most compelling section of footage been held back from public release? From me, no, I have never saw anything that has been held back from the public. (08:24) The small file that was squirted over to the Princeton via the Sipernet was basically exactly the same as the longer one that we all saw that was a little bit over a minute long. It was just scaled down in quality a little bit so it could be emailed. And what they had done also was they had clipped out the phase changes. (08:44) Each time the craft did something different, they had an equal amount of time of each of those things. So it was kind of a condensed version, but I wouldn't say that anything has been held back. Also, in your opinion, have you seen the smoking gun evidence not yet seen by the public? This, which really tips the scales in your perception that what was buzzing the carrier strike group has no off-world origin? Has an off-world origin? I'd hesitate to say off-world, just a minute. (09:17) I'd hesitate to say off-world because we don't know the origin. But I'm happy to say probably non-human. Or let me put it this way. When I say non-human, I'm saying this is not a person that has an email address and pays taxes and has a normal life that I think you and I would understand. (09:40) While I'm not trying to play it safe or anything like that. The defense intelligence or the defense, the DIRDs, let me say, that came out of ATIP, the research documents. And a lot of people like to write those off because they don't see conclusions that tell them what they want to hear. But what they do give us is a very good picture of what we're seeing. (10:03) And we don't currently possess anti-gravity technology or stealth capability at that level or the ability to cancel inertia or travel at hypersonic velocity, etc. So then if you could be a little bit more specific, what do you think that it could be? If you had to put it in words? Well, we live in a big universe and I think what Chris Mellon said the other night on CNN was apropos. (10:33) It would not surprise me the least if another civilization out there found us before we found them. It wouldn't surprise me if the techno signatures that we are so sure we're going to see all across the galaxy if it's full of other civilizations. We may be wrong. Maybe we're the only ones who use radio or things like that. (10:54) There's a whole plethora of explanations when we start talking about what we would call aliens. Then you have the idea of a breakaway human civilization, someone that's leapfrog the rest of us, perhaps a group of technologically based conglomerate of companies or something like that. And then others have thrown about ideas of multidimensionals and even ultra-terrestrials and other species that might inhabit the planet with us that might be more advanced. (11:22) Perhaps out in the ocean that takes up two-thirds of the planet. I think that covers the whole spectrum in general. Have you personally considered the interdimensional aspect? I have. I've spent a lot of time thinking about all of them and trying to find patterns and trying to find things that fit. And that's why you'll hear me so often say that I believe that this is what we call a phenomenon is a spectrum of different events that we tend to lump under one umbrella. (11:52) Let's backtrack a little bit. When you were on the bridge of the Princeton and the Nimitz officers contacted you about the strange contacts. Did they relay any specific descriptions or details of what you should be looking out for seeing as they wanted you to get eyes on the objects? I was taking most of my direction from senior chief day in the combat information center, but his department head lieutenant commander Teresa Elders, the operations officer had been in communication with her counterpart on board the USS Nimitz. (12:24) And they as was evident in the email chain. Excuse me. That was attached to the video that we all received. You were able to see over the course of the week how they had utilized their education, their acumen, and their skills to try to think about everything this could have been. So they were talking about temperature and versions. They talked about flocks of seagulls. They talked about balloons. (12:47) They talked about all kinds of different things inside of these emails while they while a team of people on both ships was trying to figure out what we were looking at. And when this was happening and when you had read those emails, did you believe those? Oh, well, certainly. I mean, these were people I worked with every day. (13:06) This was a battle group that I had done numerous exercises within. I understood the inner workings of the carrier strike group and the squadrons that were attached to it. I was a bridge officer standing officer, or a junior officer, the deck and conning officer. So I was familiar with how things were communicated back and forth. And by that time I had also stood what's called an under instruction watch for quite a few hours on a console called SWIC. (13:32) I don't remember what it's called, but it was down in the combat information center. And what that does is it gives a surface warrior as we call ourselves in that portion of the Navy. And it gives them a much better picture of how the ship fights, we call it fighting the ship. It's how the ship fights itself, how it fights war. (13:52) And so I had never seen anything like this. No one I worked with had ever seen anything like this. A couple of guys were smugged and they were like, yeah, that's some advanced DARPA project. A lot of guys were saying it was UFOs, a lot of people were saying they knew they knew where the UFOs were from. It's not too much different than it is on UFO Twitter any given day. (14:15) God love everybody, but you can't line up 10 folks and get the same story about where they're from, what they mean, what they're driving, how they're powered. Have you an idea of an estimation of how many other witnesses had eyes on the same object that you saw, either on the Princeton or on other vessels in the group? You know, I never did get around to asking the starboard side watch if they had seen it. (14:43) I expected all of my watch standards to report back to me. So the fact that nobody did, I'm sure I asked a few times on the mic, I don't recall it, but I would have gotten negative responses or else I would have remembered. So I don't know who else saw what I saw at that moment besides the port side watch standard, but I do know that Gary Voorhees, Pety Officer Gary Voorhees said that he saw the contacts on the same vector that the radar was showing he had went up and looked and they were there. (15:15) Commander Fraver, his wingman pilot, I believe that's Lieutenant Commander Dietrich. Yeah, as well as, yeah, those were the only people I can't remember the pilot who recorded it, unfortunately, his name always escapes me. But the people that you did ask and maybe you know response or negative response, do you think it was because they really didn't see the object or maybe because they were trying to avoid ridicule? No, I think they would have said so. We were just looking for contacts. We weren't looking for UFOs or aliens or anything. So T-Rick, we were looking for contacts. We the contacts, most contacts, if you see them, they're either non-luminous or luminous. (15:59) So these happen to be luminous. Even an aircraft at distance depending upon its lighting configuration can be a luminous object, a metal object can take a reflection from the sun and be very luminous. Silver Mylar balloons are something we're completely accustomed to out in that area of the ocean pilots and mariners are completely accustomed to all manner of balloons floating out to sea. So we see those all the time. (16:29) X-Fowa says, I hope I said that right, too. Great show. Hashawn ever looked into the military's experiments with remote viewing and their claims of finding various alien bases around the world? I have. I've read most of the unclassified data that I could find and frankly most of the books from the people that served at Army Fort Mead and the Stanford Research Institute and various other peripheral programs. I find a lot of the data very compelling. (17:00) Like other people, any story by another person if you can't verify the data yourself, it's just that. But I find the data and frankly the phenomena of remote viewing to be something that's very compelling. Yeah, it is and it's amazing how it's been studied for quite some time and even has their own school for and even been funded by the CIA. I think it was in the 70s or the 70s, right? So that's really interesting. (17:34) Is something that you've practiced? I've given it a try. I'm a meditator. I was a meditation facilitator/teacher for a little while. So it's something to naturally try. There's interesting things that occur at the boundary between the boundary of consciousness between awake and asleep. If you were able to maintain your consciousness in that area, there's a lot of interesting things that occur. I don't bet my rent money on it. And I don't change my the course of my life based on it, but I find it to be very compelling. (18:12) You just previous to this question, you just mentioned balloons and sequels. What do you think of the certain skeptic hypotheses that all of these things can be chalked up to be sequels and balloons? I don't give it any any daytime. I don't give it any of my my effort. It's a very faseal explanation that it's frankly it just speaks more of the psychology of the debunker than of the event itself. (18:42) Were you made aware at the time that the objects were also being tracked as solid targets on the twin stins radar? Yes, one of the first things that Kevin had told me was that I wouldn't believe what they were seeing on the radar that these things were popping in at suborbital altitude and then they were immediately dropping down to the deck right above the water in a fraction of a second, almost instantaneously. (19:08) And then stopping on a dime was was what Kevin had said and it was we were all incredulous to that. I mean we were we were going to find this if it was real, but none of us could none of us believed that we were going to find anything. So when we did start finding solid returns and when the radar tax and senior chief day and other folks were telling us know these look solid let's let's see and see if they asked the captain to if we could send out a story of of f eight teens. (19:41) And for those I'm sorry for those that might not know what f eight teens are can you just briefly explain that. And I believe it's the main compliment of the United States Navy on board our aircraft carriers for a fixed wing aircraft. We launch via launch and recover via catapult and arresting wire and we have launch capability on a five minute notice at any given time. (20:16) And during this time in 2004 without one of the most advanced technologies that you had at the time or was it absolutely the radar on board the f eight the f eight teen hornet as well as the the ages radar on board the US Princeton that had just been upgraded where the most advanced radars in the world at the time. (20:37) Wow was there to your recollection sorry excuse me was there to your recollection a moment when other bridge officers on the Princeton or other vessels in the group made it known that the objects could represent a security threat significant enough to warrant a change of alert level or was this something that you heard being debated. (21:01) There's no time that we discussed the tic tac or the or the tic tac plural being a threat. At no point where they would I say that they were harassing our assets in any way they seem to be sharing our operating area and going about their business on their own I believe senior cheap day and commander fraver said had had they inclined toward it seeming to be in a loof technology. (21:30) You mentioned in your interview with Louis on the TV show unidentified inside America's UFO investigation that you had a subsequent meeting and PowerPoint presentation about general items that do with operations and that the only mention of the UFO was a silly animation it was just then brushed off as a non item. (21:52) Did you leave that meeting thinking that it was done that way to be delegitimized and deter any further mentions of the encounter or rather that nobody had a real clue on how to address the topic being so fringe in nature. Actually I have an option C because I took a lot of cues from my captain that night he was a very senior O6 in the Navy in fact this was his last tour before retire or actually he had one more twilight tour perhaps but he was quite senior and quite respected. (22:23) And I had been trained in interview and interrogation and other things like that and I was looking at someone who was completely unconcerned with these events and when he blew it off and made a little joke about it I didn't feel looking back there was nothing I wouldn't call it stigmatizing so much I mean I think we all kind of felt the same way it was nice to let the steam off if we weren't going to get an answer it was nice to just kind of blow it off and move on. (22:48) But the way that he reacted I thought this must have been an advanced project of art or black project or DARPA or something like that. In your interview with you with the will is on the TV show you also mentioned that later you put yourself in a mindset of pretending that the whole thing didn't mean anything and didn't really happen during that time where you approached by others who witnessed it and felt the same way as you. (23:16) I wouldn't I wouldn't phrase it quite that I was pretending I truly believed it was it was it had prosaic explanations and it wasn't other worldly technology or whatever until 2017. No one else it ever approached me about that incident while the only person that did I discussed them before and some other podcast it was two weeks after the incident when I returned I went back to my old police station to steal some caution tape. (23:45) And just talk to the guys and when I walked in one of my guys had pulled me aside and he said hey chief can I talk to you can we go have a cigarette and I thought that was strange at the time I smoked and he didn't and he was very anti against it so I kind of squinted and said sure and went with him and I was kind of like what's all and he actually took one and everything and I was like what's going on here and he goes hey did you guys see anything weird when you guys were out there on the Princeton. (24:11) Recently and I was like yeah man we did why and he said that well his he's he said that his wife had witnessed the Nimitz master at arms force guarding pilots in their state rooms until folks landed on board in in plain clothes for to debrief the pilots. So I still don't know if that's true or not that's that's third party that's one of the first things I reported to Lou so I don't know if those are the folks that eventually came and took the radar tapes or or who they were or even if it triangulates act accurately but that was the only other person that ever approached me about the incident while. (24:59) High strangeness stranger asks is it possible take tax or bulk project tech that would be a savings bulk black project oh yeah that's what I thought back then. But looking back and having having read the durs and having talked to Lou for a few years there's no way that technology was us and it wasn't. (25:26) It wasn't China it wasn't Russia that that's my opinion but I'm going to stand pretty firm on that if that turns out to be our tech I'm going to be one of the first people to go I was absolutely wrong and I'm going to have I'm going to have mud on my face. Moose one nine one one has a question he says how many times our targets picked up but no one can visually verify them I am curious how often that happened keep doing great work Christina and Sean thank you. (25:55) I would say that it happens often but the thing is that a lot of times I think that you're going to have a person. Manning for lack of a better word or radar scope and they're going to be seeing something now whether they're going to be able to have an observer in place to look on the same vector and try to see that the two things don't always come together you know you might be an inclement weather or you could have a low cloud cover. (26:20) If we're talking about a air traffic controller for commercial air you know he doesn't have a team of observers I was lucky enough to at least have have one two three four five six folks or so that I could call on on sound powered phones and order them to look in a specific direction that's a very unusual set of circumstances to have that equipment that person directing it and a team of people ready to do that so. (26:49) In the assuming 11 years of active service even though you tried to mentally put the encounter out of your mind did you learn anything more about the events or here of similar events with other vessels and if so are you able to share with us some details. I dove into coast to coast I am with with art bell I dove into the website above top secret I was a perific poster for about a year I was quite the skeptic many of the people that I enjoy friends enjoy friendships with today and have quite a bit of respect for I was quite critical of them at the time. (27:31) It's it's been a strange intervening time I was very much in the period between the tic tac and the 2017 New York Times article and meeting Lou in between there I become an atheist I stopped believing in anything magical, esoteric, wonderful wacky out there anything. And became a sour push for like a better word. (28:05) That that I went through a lot to get away from that later on you know after I retired I had I frankly I had a hard time transitioning when I took off my uniform and didn't have my anchors on my collar anymore I lost a lot of my identity and I lost a lot of my confidence and so I had to do a little bit of personal rebuilding the meditation and. (28:27) And you know introspection and even a little bit of cognitive therapy nobody should ever be afraid to ask for help go talk to somebody else but i'm 2017 was it was a kick in the gut. I walked in the house and looked at my wife and holding this the computer and just was like holy s that that stuff back in the old four was real. (28:51) Now her little account her face you know exactly what I meant when I said real I meant that it wasn't some cool air for stuff. Tim E has a question on a comment that you had mentioned earlier and he says what type of energy is admitted from these craft that can cause disability is it energy we know and use or know is the type of fuel or propulsion known or have a guess. (29:19) As far as the type of energy admitted I believe that i'm not a scientist by trade I'm also don't have an education that would would make me someone who's. We should be getting these answers from but I believe that most of the defense reports that I've seen or not that shouldn't say defense reports I should just say reports in general because I'm mixing a lot of civilian data with with other things. (29:41) But I do believe that they are radiating sometimes in the gamma range which is a very high radiative radiative radiative frequency that can you can be exposed to that when you're around nuclear and fissionable materials. It doesn't necessarily indicate what their propulsion system is it would seem that that's a byproduct of it we only know. (30:06) A certain list of things that we are able to produce gamma rays with but it would yeah that's what that would all be speculation beyond that I have no clue what's in their gas tank to be honest with you. What do you think the tick tax were actually doing based on your military experience recon exercises the object underwater that favor saw. (30:30) That's an excellent insight my opinion based on what we what we what was witnessed and what we put together after the fact it would seem to me that the tick tax were tender vehicles to something larger in the water or they were observing something in the water now I know that the that area of the waters often described as seven 47 in size of a seven 47. (30:56) I've never heard it described as the shape of a seven 47 I think it leads a lot of a lot of us to think that it's a elongated shape I believe the commander favor is described the water was roiling so my praseic explanation for that was it was a school of sardines and that's what the tick tax were checking out because when Lou and I went down to ansonata we interviewed pilots and fishermen who talked about spotting those very same groups of sardines for fishermen you know the spotter planes would then lead them back out. (31:25) So is that a possibility so totally could it have been something a larger craft that they were tending to we've got lots of reports over the sepiers to say that smaller tender craft seem to go and company with larger craft so I think that's again that's the spectrum of possibility there for me. (31:51) Brendan has a question and he says I just wanted to say I appreciate what you both are doing Sean would you agree Rubio Harry Reid and others stating the phenomenon could be from an adversial country is most likely so the subject continues to game momentum. I think that people like senator Rubio and former senator Reid make those statements because we pardon me for saying it like this but we live in a real world and that has rules that the rest of us apply to our daily lives and for most of us UFOs aren't on that aren't in that rule set yet. (32:27) So I do think it's number one they have to come at it from a prosaic provable standpoint no one has proven the origin of these these are unidentified aucomes razor would say it's another country that it's humans etc because we still again none of us have evidence to bring out for the seven billion people on this planet to convince them all that these are aliens are these or whatever. (32:50) Someone's beliefs are so I think they go with the most likely explanation according to what we all know. So kind of like fitting into our ideologies. And that's the best estimate we have I mean if I know a lot of people have assumptions they think the government must have this and they must have that and I heard this and I read that book I don't know and I'm not I can't stand up here and say that we do or do not have these things. (33:19) But I guess what I'm trying to say is that the people people that that that inform us our our government our media etc we all know that if they started talking about aliens and flying saucers and couldn't show us one and have have our elected representatives walk up and touch it and see it none of us are going to believe that either. (33:47) This is true I mean what we're definitely you know if you see it right if you don't see it you don't believe it if you see it you believe it. Yeah. So let's change gears the experience obviously play seeds within of your curiosity and of a shifting of your paradigm which in recent years as more people have come out and talked about the incident and also with so many so much being released and validated on the topic in general by the government has allowed you to follow a different path. (34:16) In pursuing truth not only about UFOs but about the bigger questions of life consciousness and alternate living can you describe how that process has been for you like how much your paradigm has shifted. Wow. I don't think it's I don't think it's just my generation but I'll speak from you know about to be 50 something JenExer. (34:43) The movie the the matrix blew my mind and it took a long time after that to really kind of assimilate the ideas that were in it and to learn where the I think is the Wachowskies where they where they really where they went for their inspiration in that story. I'm not a conspiracy theorist I'm having been in law enforcement and anti terrorism investigations etc. I'm quite aware that a conspiracy is just a couple of folks deciding to pull one over on somebody else it's not that big of a deal there's conspiracies all around every day. (35:18) I have a conspiracy to pick the restaurant for dinner later tonight you know with someone else so we don't go where I don't want to. But at the same time we've seen so many changes in the subject we've seen so much openness that it's open my mind to so many different possibilities. (35:39) My my personal interactions with my own consciousness in meditation while fasting and things that might be foreign to a lot of other people have tau