Pentagon Chief: "There are UFO Cases Even I Can't Explain”

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The Pentagon's top UFO investigator just admitted there are cases so bizarre that even he, with decades of classified intelligence experience, can't explain them. But here's the interesting part. His own data shows 98% of UFO reports are completely ordinary objects. What's happening with the remaining 2%?

Today, we're analyzing Dr. John Kosloski's rare public interview as director of Aero, the Pentagon's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. And this marks one of his first major media appearances since taking over UFO investigations back in 2024. I'm Cristina Gomez and welcome to this episode of UFO News Updates.

Dr. John Kosloski doesn't give interviews. As noted in Defense Scoop reporting, since assuming control of Arrow back in August of 2024, he's made fewer than five major public appearances. So this StarTalk interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson represents his most detailed discussion of ongoing UFO investigations to date.

Let's hear how the Pentagon's UFO chief frames the entire phenomenon.

[CLIP 1 - Neil deGrasse Tyson speaking]: "Why were UFOs rebranded as UAP? That's the only way I can think about what you guys did. We all know what UFOs are, unidentified flying objects. And now you're still using EU, unidentified, and anomalous, extra, I don't know what it is. And then P is phenomenon. So what led to this need to rebrand it?"

[CLIP 1 - Jon Kosloski responding]: "Yeah, essentially the public took over the term UFO and made it synonymous with extraterrestrials. And for us and the government, that becomes problematic because the definition is sort of supposed to be in the name, unidentified and anomalous. We don't know what it is. We need to approach it without bias. Could be any number of things, but if we just assume it's extraterrestrial, that's going to guide our investigation."

[Neil deGrasse Tyson]: "Got it. So it put a little distance between you and that assumption that people make."

[Jon Kosloski]: "Yes."

Per insights from Arrow's November 2024 congressional report, the office has processed over 1,600 UFO reports since its inception. According to the data presented to senators, approximately 40% of cases have been resolved with conventional explanations, while 57% remain in what officials term an active archive due to insufficient data for analysis. Insufficient to them.

And the timing of this interview is significant because I feel like in the last few weeks, UFOs have been spoken about consistently, especially at Capitol Hill. Kosloski revealed what may be one of the most detailed government accounts of anomalous UAP encounters, ever disclosed publicly. The case involves multiple law enforcement officers across the same geographic region, which he refuses to identify, keeping it anonymous, reporting encounters with both triangular objects and glowing orbs.

[CLIP 2 - Jon Kosloski speaking]: "There are a few triangles that have been seen by local law enforcement. These are glowing triangles in the sky. In this case, a very, very black triangle, a triangular prism, so it looks like a pie slice hovering about the size of a Prius, about 40 to 60 meters away. So as the officer was driving up to investigate underneath a glowing orb, he slammed on his brakes and this thing the size of a Prius, blacker than black, reared up 45 degrees and then shot up into the sky faster than anything he'd ever seen. And as it was leaving his sight, it shot out red and blue fireworks, flares so bright it lit up the inside of his vehicle. He didn't see any propulsion, no wind, didn't hear anything over the sound of his own vehicle."

[Neil deGrasse Tyson]: "And you have more than one of these sightings?"

[Jon Kosloski]: "We have a few others, one from local law enforcement, some from the, he was not able to get a picture. No dash cam, unfortunately."

The level of detail Kosloski provides is unprecedented for Aero. If you've been following this at all, we almost never get any details from them. And what makes this account particularly compelling are the specific sensory details. Kosloski emphasizes that the object produced no audible sound and showed no visible propulsion systems. The red and blue emissions weren't just lights. They were described as fireworks or flames so brilliant that they illuminated the interior of the police vehicle as if someone had set off fireworks just outside.

Arrow is only investigating UFO cases by people in the military, former or present, and also those in the government as well, and this is obviously including law enforcement. So they're not just taking anyone's UFO sightings, only those that meet government criteria.

Now listen to how this encounter affected a trained law enforcement professional.

[Neil deGrasse Tyson]: "Did the officer turn on their forward dash cam?"

[Jon Kosloski]: "In this case, he slammed on his brakes. It happened almost instantaneously and he was terrified. He didn't know what was happening. In this case, I don't think he was skeptical. He was terrified for his life. And so he was just getting back to a safe position. That's what that was."

[Neil deGrasse Tyson]: "Did he go in reverse?"

[Jon Kosloski]: "He did. 100 miles an hour backwards while on the phone with his sergeant the whole time."

The officer's reaction provides pretty critical context. The fact that a trained law enforcement official accustomed to dangerous situations, you would think, right, would react with such apparent terror adds weight to the account's credibility. Do you think so or not really? Let me know in the comments below.

However, the most problematic aspects of this encounter is the complete absence of documentation. As Kosloski admits, there's no dash cam footage, no cell phone video, no photographic evidence of any kind. And in an era where police vehicles are equipped with multiple record systems and officers carry body cams, this lack of evidence raises very significant questions. Was it because the craft affected the technology? Or was all the evidence wiped?

According to research by the National UFO Reporting Center in New York, triangular UAP reports have increased dramatically since 2019, with law enforcement accounts compromising roughly 15% of total reports. But Kosloski's case stands apart because of its integration into an official Pentagon investigation and the unprecedented level of detail being shared publicly.

And what's particularly intriguing is that this wasn't an isolated incident. Kosloski mentions a few others from local law enforcement in the same region, suggesting a pattern of encounters that arrow is actively investigating.

[Jon Kosloski speaking]: "That same region of the country. A couple law enforcement officers had seen glowing orbs few 100 feet above the ground a few miles away."

Previous UFO disclosures have focused on resolved cases with conventional explanations. Oh, what you saw here was swamp gas. Oh, what you saw here was Venus. Oh, what you saw here was an owl sitting on a tree trunk.

But for Kosloski to share details of an active, unresolved investigation involving multiple witnesses suggests either a new transparency approach or strategic communication aimed at preparing the public for eventual disclosure of the case's resolution.

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AERO's track record reveals a consistent pattern. Dramatic UFO cases that capture public attention, eventually receiving conventional explanations. Kosloski detailed three major resolved cases that demonstrate this methodology. Watch how the Pentagon explains away the most famous UFO video of recent years, but with no real data to back it up.

[Neil deGrasse Tyson]: "There are a few cases that might have been mysterious initially, and then they were like case with the rubber stamp. So I have one here, go fast. So what is that? What was go fast?"

[Jon Kosloski]: "It's a classic case from 2015. It was popularized in 2017 where an F-18, Super Hornet, was flying off the coast of Florida. It appears to be close to the surface of the water, and that's what the pilot saw. It looks like that object is just zipping along really quickly near the surface of the water. But after careful analysis of all the numbers on the heads-up display there and doing the geometry and looking at the track of the airplane as it was flying, we were able to assess that the object actually had to be at about 13,000 feet, not close to the water, and the plane was about 25,000 feet. And there's actually an optical phenomenon called motion parallax, which familiar with from astronomy, that makes it appear that the object is moving much faster relative to the background than it actually is."

[Neil deGrasse Tyson]: "There's no rotor wash, there's no jet wash, there's nothing. That's what's fascinating about this."

[Jon Kosloski]: "There's nothing, but with the parallax, we can assess that the object is moving actually at wind speed. So we don't know what that object is, but we know that it's--"

[Co-host Paul Mecurio]: "It's called a bird."

[Jon Kosloski]: "It's consistent with a bird or a balloon."

And after an explanation like that, I'm feeling a little less optimistic. The Go Fast video, which generated millions of views and widespread speculation, was resolved, according to Arrow, as an optical illusion. According to Arrow's analysis, the object was likely a bird or balloon at high altitude, with parallax effects creating the appearance of extraordinary speed.

Similarly, the Mount Etna case, where an object appeared to fly through superheated volcanic ash, was explained through detailed pixel analysis showing the object was actually 170 kilometers from the volcano, nowhere near the dangerous ash plume. Do you believe that explanation or not? And we know that in the comments below.

But here's where the story takes a pretty fascinating turn. Despite resolving the vast majority of cases, Kosloski admits there are phenomena that genuinely puzzle him. And obviously, those are the cases we want to hear about.

Kosloski acknowledged significant obstacles to public disclosure related to protecting classified sensor capabilities rather than hiding extraordinary discoveries. As noted in congressional oversight reports, this creates a fundamental tension between public transparency and national security. The most compelling UFO data often comes from the military's most sensitive surveillance platforms.

According to analysis by the Government Accountability Office, ARRO is developing methods to sanitize classified data while preserving scientific value, but this process can take years for each case, so they say. And it's also worth noting that Arrow does have a hard time collecting data from other agencies. So that can also affect the time frame and labeling it as a national security issue.

What do you think about Arrow's 98% resolution rate? Are the remaining 2% of cases worth of significant resources being invested in UFO investigations? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below. That is it for today. I will see you next time. Be safe and remember, keep your eyes on the skies.

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