Luis Elizondo on UFOs and Disclosure 1 - Classics Remastered

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This remastered interview includes bonus content of additional questions and answers originally made available only to members of Cristina's Patreon members club. I did want to mention that my last guest on this show was Harvard Professor Avi Loeb and he told me here he appeared on over 1100 interviews over the course of six months but I've got to believe you have it beat because months before, months running up to the 180 day report you were either on TV or in a podcast or being interviewed by someone several times a day (00:44) and on the report dropped and everything has gone quiet but I quickly want to ask you how many appearances do you think you've done in general? Oh well, you know Christina it's not so much a question of how many I've done it's how many I've really enjoyed and I really enjoy yours. So yours is one of my favorite, the rest don't really matter, I don't even really keep count and I certainly appreciate the compliment. (01:09) Yeah, it was a lot of media exposure. Now, something really interesting and I've been dying to address this and I'm going to address it on your show. People say, you know, it's crickets out there, no one's saying anything, there's no news coverage. Yes, precisely because real work is being done right now. (01:29) I'm in the middle of writing a thought piece, you know, and I compare it to disclosure to three things. Nuclear submarines, I compare it to dark energy and I compare it to earthquakes. Why is that? Because all of these things occur and exist and you can't see it. You can't see it, you can't really, it's hard to detect. (01:51) But just because you can't see something doesn't mean that there's not something happening beyond beyond what you can observe. You know, earthquakes is the same same thing, right? You have all this energy and movement occurring right beneath your feet and the earth's crust. And it's only when there's a sudden release of energy, does everybody now feel the effects, right? Well, it's the same thing with disclosure. (02:15) There's a lot of things happening behind the curtain right now. A lot of exciting things that are really taking this conversation to the next level. Unfortunately, the general public doesn't see it because some of these things haven't yet come quite to fruition. But make no mistake, Christina. We are absolutely 110% engaged. (02:36) And I think your audience is going to be absolutely thrilled when some of this stuff comes to light because you know what? It is going to have a big media splash. There is 60 minutes, it's going to be replaying their episode on this topic again this Sunday. And they're doing that because they tend to do repeats. (02:56) They're best shows they do repeats when during off-season. But there's a reason why they're doing it. And I think there's a lot happening. I don't think actually I know because we're part of some of that, that of those efforts. But again, there's a lot going on just like I talked about earthquakes, a nuclear submarine. (03:17) This is a, if you will, a submarine is a boat basically that goes underwater. That's the size of a skyscraper, right? And yet completely invisible. It's all under the surface. And you only know it's there when it breaks the surface or you know bad things happen. But that's very much again like what we're doing now. (03:38) There's a lot happening sub-surface. I'll discuss with you if you want some of those things. And also if I may do a real quick Miyakova, the last two months I've been a little bit missing an action. And I will share with you, I had a pretty significant health scare. I think I mentioned maybe on Twitter once that I was dealing with some health issues. (04:03) It was a little more serious in that. I was told by my doctor, what they were diagnosing a high adorning up that I have. And they found what they thought was cancer on my kidney. And they were trying to figure out, do we remove the kidney? Do we try localized surgical department? Do we do chemo? Do we do radiation? And so for a month and a half or so it was a pretty intense ride in the yellows on the house. (04:39) And so I can quite about that for several reasons. A, what I don't want is a bunch of people on Twitter to feel sorry for me and you're starting worrying about me. I can handle myself. And then two, we didn't have the full diagnosis yet. It turns out as of just a few days ago, a few days ago, I was informed that what, that made this, this, this mass they called large mass only kidney, my left kidney, may in fact be just a, a, a large benign cyst, which is, it's, it's not super common. (05:19) Basically, when they did the test, all the tests were saying, no, this is cancer. But then the last test they did, they were very surprised. And they said, actually, you know what, this, this may not look like cancer. This may just be something that, that's quite benign. So I'm still undergoing tests right now. (05:34) Right now things are looking much, much better than they did just, just a few days ago. But I wanted to share that with you and your audience and, and apologize for being a little bit missing in action. I wasn't trying to be neglectful or ignore anybody. It just, I, you know, I had to take care of some health issues for sure. (05:51) My, my, my heart's, my heart's racing, life, life can really suck. And that's really awful to hear regardless of its cancer or assist. And, you know, I'll be praying for you and I'm sure everyone else will be as well because you're a hero to us. Yeah, you know, you know what, you know what, people have gone through a hell lot more than I have and had to go through a lot more. (06:10) So the good news is, you know, please, please don't feel sorry for me. I'm doing great. The best news that I could have heard was, was given to me. So, you know, prognosis is actually quite good. Worse comes to worse. Surgery, right? You know, yeah, worse comes to worse. Look, take the kidney. Don't care. (06:27) I got another one. You know, at this point, they've taken so many organs out of me, you know, what the hell is the kidney, right? So, you know, it, it could be worse. But anyways, just wanted to share that with you and say thank you for everyone's patience and, you know, what, what other organs do you not have? Oh my goodness. (06:44) Godbladder, I've got my, my, my faith needs. I've got, uh, I've had, um, and going to hernia, high it'll hernia. I have, when I came back from, I can't remember if it was Afghanistan or Iraq, one of these wonderful garden spots that I was, I went to a couple of times. When I came back, I was really suffering internally. (07:07) Man, there's something not right with me. They went in and when they were, they were repairing the, uh, the, the, the in Guayna hernia, the, the surgeon, she said to me, uh, when I woke up, she said, look, I don't know what happened, but it looked, forgive me for being, it kind of colorful here, but she said, look like a rat had chewed inside of you. (07:28) And I said, what? She said, yeah, but, you know, we saw some scar tissue. So we're, we're presuming that whatever you had some sort of parasitic infection that was really doing some damage in there. But it appears that, that whatever it was, you beat it, but it's caused, you know, quite a bit of havoc in inside. (07:44) So, um, I was dealing with that. I had tuberculosis, um, for, for years on medication. We had, uh, we got exposed to anthrax, so then we had to get, you know, cypcharole. And so I think over time that kind of takes an, uh, an effect on the body, um, yeah, absolutely. That's insane. It, um, yeah, a lot of our brave men and women in uniform, uh, you know, we'll come back now and then it's not just, it's not just the, the PTSD, there really is, you know, some, some physical challenges that are, are, are, are folks in uniform are coming back with. (08:18) So, um, again, I had it a lot better than most. So for, for the love of God, please don't feel sorry for me. I'm doing great. I feel great, um, nothing that, uh, that a couple of Cuban coffee won't fix. There you go. It's always the coffee. It always helps out. Everyone in the chat that I have received over 200 questions. (08:39) Do we have any answer every one of them in an hour or less than an hour now, 45 minutes. We're going to answer all 200. No, no, no, no, but I got them on Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, email, Instagram in the last two weeks. And of course, you know, I will not be able to ask all of them. I picked a few of the ones that I found the most intriguing and original to ask along with my own. (08:59) Um, I also want to say that I can't follow the live chat accurately while we are streaming here live. So if you have a burning hot, original question to ask, then please help out this channel by doing a super chat, which will of course grab my attention from the rest of the chat and will be asked. So believe it or not, we had a super chat question already given to, uh, given to us by, uh, So we low are at around one PM, right? So like five hours ago, uh, for $20 supporting the channel. (09:27) Thank you so much, So we low. And the question is, um, condensing this question into one here. So it says, can we understand the psychology of those operating the UAP through, uh, through observation, giving us signs that they enjoy toying with their pilots, even mischievously. Therefore showing that their evolution could possibly be similar to ours. (09:51) What are your thoughts on that? Wow. Uh, first of all, I've never been asked that question before. Thank you very much. Very insightful. Good question. You know, the problem with, with this topic is we tend because we're human beings, we tend to assign anthropomorphic characteristics to, to everything in nature. (10:10) Um, every time I play with my dog, what I do, well, you're such a good little boy, right? And, and you know, there's, uh, I, I'm connecting with a sentient being and as such, I as Now, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, but I think we tend to do that the same thing when we're talking about the UAP topic. (10:29) We tend to ascribe human motivations, human intent, human psychology, sociology as well, to, to this thing because what we see are observations there that defy our current understanding. And in order for us to better rationalize what we are experiencing and seeing, it's easier for us to put it in a nice, neat little box that we understand. (10:56) Um, but you know, Christina, you said it in the beginning of the show here about thinking outside the box, by the way, I, I love that part of your show to be getting that, that intro. Um, but we, we have to force ourselves to, to think outside of the box. In fact, we have to, we have to presume there's no box at all. (11:15) And, and that's, that's hard to do because, um, it goes against, uh, everything we are is a human species. Um, whether or not there is an intent to toy with the human race. Um, it's certainly possible. But then you have to presume that whatever it is is more human, more similar to us, uh, then, then, then perhaps we, we, we, we realize. (11:42) Uh, and you know, that, that, and itself is kind of a scary notion. Are we dealing with it with something else that's very similar to human beings and as far as thought process and motivation? I certainly hope not because we tend to be a pretty unpredictable violent species. Um, I'm not sure I would want another human like, uh, species having access to that type of technology, um, because they may do human type things, right? They may react in ways that we as humans do it in, in, in, in, it's, in, it's not, that's (12:15) not always a good thing. So I guess my question is, is it, is your questions is, is it possible? Yeah, it's absolutely possible. Uh, and they, they, they could be toying with us. But, um, it's also possible that they're not and that we are looking at these observations of performance and, and the way they, they're maneuvering and we are ascribing it attributes that may not necessarily be there. (12:37) Um, but it is the only point of reference that we have. And so therefore we ascribe these, these human type attributes. And then, has a question. Thank you so much, John, for the 50. Wow. Um, he says, Lou, uh, will there definitely be anything definitive, definitively non-human enough to shut down all debunkers coming anytime soon to put on the front page of the New York Times? The 23 minute high deaf video, um, anything we haven't heard about yet. (13:10) We can't lose momentum. No, I think you're right. We can't lose momentum. And I don't, I don't think we are. Um, I've mentioned this before. We are in a marathon relay race. We're not in a sprint. Um, let's just reflect very quickly on the last three years, just the last three years, okay? Let me, let me if I may remind your audience just how much we collectively, all of us, your audience included, have been able to accomplish in just three years. (13:38) First of all, you have the acknowledgement that the UFO program called A to existed and was real. You also have the acknowledgement that those three videos were absolutely real and they were taken from DOD weapon systems. You also have the acknowledgement that we have no idea what they are that they are truly unidentified aerial phenomena. (13:56) You have the establishment of a UAP task force, not unidentified aerial balloons or drums, but unidentified aerial phenomenon. You have classified briefings being provided to Congress. Then you on top of that, you have briefings being provided to the president of the United States and the president admitting that he received briefings on this topic. (14:15) Then on top of that, you have a hundred and eighty day report, which I suspect we're going to talk about a little bit today and what that means. And on top of that, you have a signed document by the depth sector that came out and said, hey, look, have the eggs saying, we need to develop a strategy, a long term strategy, not just something to answer this hundred and eighty day report, but long term going into the future, we need to provide resources, assets, talent behind it. (14:41) Then you have recently in the latest legislation, language saying that not only do we now want a hundred and eighty day report, but we want to report every ninety days and oh, by the way, that includes anything that you haven't reported to us before. So get ready because there's a lot of information coming out. (14:57) And then all on top of that, you have an IG evaluation and an IG investigation on the handling of this topic within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community. So that has all happened in the last three years. In the last three years, you have countries like Japan coming out and establishing a bilateral relationship with the United States government for the sole purpose of sharing UAP related information. (15:22) That ain't a bad track, folks. And you all made that happen. So yeah, I get it. We're itchy for the, we're waiting for that next dopamine hit, but let's not lose sight of how far we really have come and where we need to go. The last thing we want to do is prematurely do something that is not quite ready for prime time and it winds up working counter to what we're trying to do. (15:50) So the good news is there's a lot happening and there's going to be a lot more happening. You know, I said we're firmly into third gear right now and we are. There's some things in the next two or three months that I'm personally involved with in my colleagues at Chris Mellon that I think, you know, if the public were to find out, they'd be pretty surprised and extremely excited. (16:13) You know, we're moving right along. Oh my gosh. I also, I completely just want to tell people that are listening because we have quite an audience today and I want to say some chip superchats are actually falling off my list. So if your question gets skipped, please just pace it again as a reminder without the super chat and a copy in the moderator name just because we're getting a lot of things happening right now. (16:39) So Russell has a question and before I get to Russell, Charles says, tell Lou, I love him. Stay strong and stay somber. Thank you, Charles. And also a big thank you to someone, I guess, who put on Twitter, an artist's rendition of me, far too kind. Thank you so much. You certainly drew me better than I really looking real life. (16:59) So I thank you for that. I couldn't really pronounce the handle of, it had some characters in there that didn't recognize but a little alien head as an icon. And anyways, just wanted to say thanks. Oh, that's, that's cute. You have some really big fans. You have people rooting for you. John Russell asks, also thank you so much for the 50. (17:21) That's amazing. What has been your most memorable or dramatic UFO, UAP paranormal experience? Wow. Just lay it on as Lou. I think that's to be careful. You know, great question. Should I pass some drinks over to you? You know, I think that's a question that needs to be answered probably on its own podcast, where we're going to dedicate the entire time to it. (17:58) Look, I've lived an extraordinary life. I've told people I'm an unexplored and living through extraordinary times. I've been privy to things that I don't understand. I'll just put it as simple as that. This is a strange universe we live in. It's a wonderous universe we live in. (18:15) It's a huge universe we live in. Both at the grand scale of things and even at the micro-nether levels. It's, you know, there are, when you say what's the greatest experience I've had or most wonders experience involving UAP and or paranormal. That's a loaded question. And again, that's a question that I, at some point, I'll probably share. (18:42) It wasn't one incident, you know, for those who know who I am in my involvement with folks like how put off in Kigreen, you know, those ties go way back. And you know, there's things I've been exposed to that I can't explain. As a scientist, you know, in my background, you know, for the microbiology and immunology. (19:05) And you know, I'm careful not to really talk about it publicly because it's really easy to go down that rabbit hole of the womb. And as interesting as treating as it may be, it can also serve as a distraction because at the end of the day, they're just my observations and my own experiences. (19:23) And I wouldn't want that to take the collection of information and analysis that needs to be done in the UAP topic. You know, a lot of the best reporters, you have no idea what political affiliation they are. You don't know if they're conservative or liberal, you don't know what religion they are. (19:38) Because they try to remain objective. And even though they do have personal beliefs, you know, it's less relevant to the pursuit of truth. For we ultimately, this is about truth. And you know, there's a lot of truth out there. And you know, one that just has to talk to indigenous people here in our country that have been here for millennia. (20:02) They have incredible, fascinating stories. You know, I think there's a lot to be said. And I hope one day I can share some of my experiences in a way that people are going to judge me or judge anybody else I was with. The problem is we're too early in the conversation right now. It's too much of a distraction. (20:26) Too many people need to come out of the shadows to continue this conversation. And by me going into my own personal experiences could, could, could, could hinder that process. And so with all due respect, love the question, very sincere and, and it, I'm really struggling because I really want to have this conversation. (20:47) But probably now is not the time for it. Well, we will all be waiting when you do tell the story. We'll all be there like biting our nails and be like, oh my gosh, he's going to tell it. So we're excited for the three. We got the phone call for you. And 3D sunglasses, right? Oh, absolutely. My next question is is obviously the mainstream media has shifted its focus since the report dropped. (21:09) But to me, you know, I've been shocked at how quiet they are on the topic of UFOs now. In your opinion, do you think this is because an official lid of silence has been dropped? Or is it just a natural curb of disinterest? No, it's, it's, it's neither. We, we've turned the dial down. We, we had that, we had the oven cooking and we had to get it up to operating temperature of 500 degrees. (21:35) I don't need to continue that gas right now to go up to 800 degrees, 800 degrees. We need to keep it at 500. And sometimes you have to turn back the gas a little bit to, to keep the oven temperature constant. Remember, this is, this is a long game. You don't want to waste all your, your, your magic bullets, your rounds prematurely. (21:57) Everything has to be very strategic. This is, this is a long-term campaign. And this isn't just, you know, this isn't a super bowl where we, you know, have a half-time show and you have pyro techniques and whatnot. You know, this is, this is real life. And what we're trying to do is, is keep this conversation going and letting people catch their breath. (22:17) There's a lot of things happening in the world right now that demand our attention. There's things like Afghanistan, you know, there's things like COVID and the new Delta variant. You know, we have to let people catch their breath and we can't, we can't be selfish and just dominate and consume the narrative 24 hours a day because people will get fatigued and eventually they'll get annoyed. (22:37) So, so, you know, again, this, this is something that comes in waves. I've, I've said this before for the last three years. We're not in the business of satisfying idle curiosity, we're in the business of disclosure and, and, and to do disclosure, right, you know, you, you have to, you have to be very methodical about it, very strategic about it. (22:57) But no, that there's a lot happening right now. We have, some of us have deliberately made the decision to throttle back a little bit and let everybody else, everything else catch up and then continue to move forward if that makes sense. And by the way, I know we're going to be upsetting some people out there saying, you know, you don't have the right to do that. (23:15) Well, it's not just me. I mean, anybody can get up here and champion the cause if they want to, but it's, it's, it's a strategy we collectively have chosen to take because, because quality matters, right? Who, who, who in the media is, is presenting the information of what is the evidence of the presenting? The last thing you want to do is make some proclamation and not have the evidence to back it up because that, that will hurt disclosure. (23:38) Oh, yeah, and all of us definitely want quality over quantity. Do you want to have a McDonald's burger? Or do you want to have a really good burger? Yeah, you want Ruth's, Chris or, you know, do you want, not do want something else? You know, John has another question and he says, Lew, your thoughts on Sam Harris saying he and his science colleagues are getting classified better videos from the CIA that show it's non-human and he says they need his advice for how to break the truth to the public. (24:11) Uh, who's Sam Harris, if I may ask? That sounds good. Hopefully, John can clarify that because I also don't know. If you're receiving briefing from the CIA, then clearly you're obviously in the scattered castles in J. Wicks database, right? So I should be able to pull you up and see if you have a top secret clearance and where your tickets are being held and see that you're having these meetings with these individuals like you claim you have. (24:38) If you do, great, welcome to the party. It's about time. But if you're just talking crap and full of crap and just, you know, making non-sensical claims without evidence and, you know, I don't know what to tell you. I don't know who Mr. (24:59) Harris is, but that doesn't mean necessarily that he's not telling the truth. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I can certainly find out if these, if this is having briefings, you know, with the, with the CIA. I can't imagine that they're going to be asking somebody who's not connected to the National Security Council or a think tank on, you know, how to have this conversation with the American people. (25:19) Well, when you let us know, or when, when you find out, please let us know. Seth Zubi has a question. I'm sorry. We're going through these so quickly. Let's go. People are just like, they want to ask you a lot of things. So they say, hi, Christina. Perhaps you could ask him if he thinks the ZYP is travel using some sort of warp drive and that way probably avoid the massive GeForce. (25:43) Wow. Seth Zubi is a high-prinous set. I'm going to, I'm going to get so. I like the name. I like you too. Yeah. I love it. You know, that's certainly one of the hypothesis. I'd say probably at this point more of a theory of any kind of hypothesis. There's a lot of mathematical equations. In fact, you know what, give me a second. (26:03) I'm going to show you something. Hold on. All right. Guys, I want to say thank you for everyone that is watching. That has questions that even sent in questions through the emails, Reddit, Twitter, through everything. He's a great guy to ask questions too. One of the books that we had in A-Tip that I looked at a lot of the ZYSPL care, okay? And it's Frontiers of Propulsion Science. (26:27) You can see in there that it's in some names you might recognize there. And when you open this book up, it's really just a huge amount of mathematical equations. And oh, there you go. Mathematical equations and whatnot. This is important because this is exactly how we look at the potential of what advanced propulsion might look like and what those signatures might look like. (26:57) And so is it possible that these things are a warping space time that certainly seems, you know, to be a really, really good theory? Certainly, the mathematical equations and scientific models suggest that. GD has a question. Thank you so much for the 20. And they say, one, does the A, it says the IAA, parenthesis is FYI, the 2022 required the UAPTF/NASIC to report to Congress on UAP events pre FY20. (27:32) Yes, it does. That's the key every 90 days and whatever you haven't reported in the past since the 1940s is supposed to be reported to Congress. Okay. Second question they have is, did the USG discover the exotic matter? Or USG custody? That's a good question. I have to be very careful how I answer any questions about exotic material or anything like that. (28:05) I have said for the record, it is my belief that the US government is in possession of it. I am not a liberty to elaborate any more than that, unfortunately. Of course. At least not now. But when that does happen, I'll have to ask you again. Absolutely. The last thing is, what are your thoughts on the UK funding report, plasma on radar, etc? Yeah, a condi report. (28:31) Well, there's a lot of prosaic explanations for a lot of things. At the end of the day, the report that we had to Congress, 180-day report, there were 144 incidents and only one of them was solved. Right. And, importantly, that 144 incidents, 142, then were in the last year and a half alone and by the Navy only. (28:54) So that's important because in a year and a half, in just involving the Navy, you had 142 incidents. And by the way, we only figured one of those out. And then furthermore, in the report, it says specifically that most of the reporting never went reported because of fear stigma and some sort of retribution, professional retribution, which by the way, ask now I know it is real. (29:20) And so if you look at that, just do the simple math, let's just say 10% of these incidents are reported. That means that the US Navy experienced over 1,400 incidents in the last year and a half alone. And most of them went unreported. We have no idea what they are. And that's just the Navy. So what about the Air Force? What about the Army? Right. (29:45) What about everybody else? And not just the last year and a half, but what about the last decade? What about the last three decades? What about the last 70 years? So great question. Chuck has a question. Thank you so much. Also, your profile pick makes me smile. He says, Christina, Jimmy had a guest on Wednesday on Jolly. (30:03) Excuse me. She is ex-military and recently did a press conference in DC announcing her intentions to revisit an alien base in the Mojave Desert. Can you ask Lou about this? Sounds amazing. You know, great. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You know, I got to say it's good luck. I hope she's right. (30:30) But I probably wouldn't quit my day job just right now to go run in the desert and try to find an alien base somewhere in the Mojave Desert. You know, I think there's a lot of people who want to be part of a narrative. I don't know on Jolly, just like I don't know the other individual from Area 51. (31:02) You know, Bob Lazar, everybody asks me, what do you think of Bob Lazar? I don't. I've never met the gentleman. You know, I don't have an opinion. I have an opinion of Angelie. I think it's very careful when you look at someone's career, you have to look at the nuances. As a government employee, you have a rank and you have authority. (31:23) As a contractor, you provide services to the government and the customer. You know, it's important that people, like if you were to see my resume, which I think is public, I don't know. But at some point of view, sure, will be you can see precisely where I was assigned, what I did, what my roles and responsibilities were and what, what, what I, the type of duties I performed. (31:46) You know, we're going to go actually on a quick break and I will come right back into some more questions. So everyone hang tight. All righty. Hey, for the record, I agree with that, Christina. I know books are expensive, putting my kids from college. You know, and I know you do a lot of this on your own. (32:05) So let me, let me, if I can second that motion for those of you out of the audience, no, I don't get a penny for those. I don't ever charge for, for, for these type of things. But Christina has been working her ass off and has done, by the way, a fantastic job in carrying the torch forward. You know, I, I think that's a pretty simple ask if you'd like to have access to this type of information and this type of material, you know, it takes time and it takes her away from doing things that she could otherwise be doing to put, you know, food on the table (32:36) and pay the rent, you know, she could be working somewhere and not doing this for us. So I, I agree with that, you know, if you can help out any way you can, you know, you're, you're helping the team. Thank you. And I have so much more planned for this channel. I have so many projects planned. So if you become a Patreon, you'll become a partner and a partner with me and you'll be able to have access with so many behind the scene videos and pictures and so many extra goodies like the graphics I make for my channel. (33:05) I can do that for you as well for those that are watching. So it's going to go a long way. It's going to go an absolutely long way. Now let's jump back into the questions. So let me, let me find it because now I'm getting lost. But C.J says, thank you so much, by the way. He says, I'm a huge, huge fan of Lou. (33:27) Same. And you were my introduction to UFOs and I still can't get enough. Thanks. Do you have any UFO books you recommend? Boy, that's a loaded question, a good question. You know, I hate making recommendations because different people are going to read different books and take the information differently. (33:47) There was a book that was given to me by a gentleman named Dean Johnson in Washington, DC when I was, I was there with Chris, my colleague Chris Mellon. And we've had the privilege of speaking with him a few times. And he shared with me a book. And you know, people share with me a lot of books all the time. (34:04) We got to read this, we got to read this, and I do. But he suggested one. And it's a little science fiction novel, it says about three stories in this little tiny book and it's called "Chains of the Sea." Not "Chains in the Sea," "Chains of the Sea." And it is the second story in that book. (34:23) It's a short story, maybe 30, 40, 50 pages long. But it is a wonderful little story because it provides a completely different potentiality of what this means. Now,