Luis Elizondo on UFOs and Disclosure 1 - Classics Remastered

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This remastered interview includes bonus content of additional questions and answers originally made available only to members of Cristina's Patreon members club. I did want to mention that my last guest on this show was Harvard Professor Avi Loeb and he told me here he appeared on over 1100 interviews over the course of six months but I've got to believe you have it beat because months before, months running up to the 180 day report you were either on TV or in a podcast or being interviewed by someone several times a day (00:44) and on the report dropped and everything has gone quiet but I quickly want to ask you how many appearances do you think you've done in general? Oh well, you know Christina it's not so much a question of how many I've done it's how many I've really enjoyed and I really enjoy yours. So yours is one of my favorite, the rest don't really matter, I don't even really keep count and I certainly appreciate the compliment. (01:09) Yeah, it was a lot of media exposure. Now, something really interesting and I've been dying to address this and I'm going to address it on your show. People say, you know, it's crickets out there, no one's saying anything, there's no news coverage. Yes, precisely because real work is being done right now. (01:29) I'm in the middle of writing a thought piece, you know, and I compare it to disclosure to three things. Nuclear submarines, I compare it to dark energy and I compare it to earthquakes. Why is that? Because all of these things occur and exist and you can't see it. You can't see it, you can't really, it's hard to detect. (01:51) But just because you can't see something doesn't mean that there's not something happening beyond beyond what you can observe. You know, earthquakes is the same same thing, right? You have all this energy and movement occurring right beneath your feet and the earth's crust. And it's only when there's a sudden release of energy, does everybody now feel the effects, right? Well, it's the same thing with disclosure. (02:15) There's a lot of things happening behind the curtain right now. A lot of exciting things that are really taking this conversation to the next level. Unfortunately, the general public doesn't see it because some of these things haven't yet come quite to fruition. But make no mistake, Christina. We are absolutely 110% engaged. (02:36) And I think your audience is going to be absolutely thrilled when some of this stuff comes to light because you know what? It is going to have a big media splash. There is 60 minutes, it's going to be replaying their episode on this topic again this Sunday. And they're doing that because they tend to do repeats. (02:56) They're best shows they do repeats when during off-season. But there's a reason why they're doing it. And I think there's a lot happening. I don't think actually I know because we're part of some of that, that of those efforts. But again, there's a lot going on just like I talked about earthquakes, a nuclear submarine. (03:17) This is a, if you will, a submarine is a boat basically that goes underwater. That's the size of a skyscraper, right? And yet completely invisible. It's all under the surface. And you only know it's there when it breaks the surface or you know bad things happen. But that's very much again like what we're doing now. (03:38) There's a lot happening sub-surface. I'll discuss with you if you want some of those things. And also if I may do a real quick Miyakova, the last two months I've been a little bit missing an action. And I will share with you, I had a pretty significant health scare. I think I mentioned maybe on Twitter once that I was dealing with some health issues. (04:03) It was a little more serious in that. I was told by my doctor, what they were diagnosing a high adorning up that I have. And they found what they thought was cancer on my kidney. And they were trying to figure out, do we remove the kidney? Do we try localized surgical department? Do we do chemo? Do we do radiation? And so for a month and a half or so it was a pretty intense ride in the yellows on the house. (04:39) And so I can quite about that for several reasons. A, what I don't want is a bunch of people on Twitter to feel sorry for me and you're starting worrying about me. I can handle myself. And then two, we didn't have the full diagnosis yet. It turns out as of just a few days ago, a few days ago, I was informed that what, that made this, this, this mass they called large mass only kidney, my left kidney, may in fact be just a, a, a large benign cyst, which is, it's, it's not super common. (05:19) Basically, when they did the test, all the tests were saying, no, this is cancer. But then the last test they did, they were very surprised. And they said, actually, you know what, this, this may not look like cancer. This may just be something that, that's quite benign. So I'm still undergoing tests right now. (05:34) Right now things are looking much, much better than they did just, just a few days ago. But I wanted to share that with you and your audience and, and apologize for being a little bit missing in action. I wasn't trying to be neglectful or ignore anybody. It just, I, you know, I had to take care of some health issues for sure. (05:51) My, my, my heart's, my heart's racing, life, life can really suck. And that's really awful to hear regardless of its cancer or assist. And, you know, I'll be praying for you and I'm sure everyone else will be as well because you're a hero to us. Yeah, you know, you know what, you know what, people have gone through a hell lot more than I have and had to go through a lot more. (06:10) So the good news is, you know, please, please don't feel sorry for me. I'm doing great. The best news that I could have heard was, was given to me. So, you know, prognosis is actually quite good. Worse comes to worse. Surgery, right? You know, yeah, worse comes to worse. Look, take the kidney. Don't care. (06:27) I got another one. You know, at this point, they've taken so many organs out of me, you know, what the hell is the kidney, right? So, you know, it, it could be worse. But anyways, just wanted to share that with you and say thank you for everyone's patience and, you know, what, what other organs do you not have? Oh my goodness. (06:44) Godbladder, I've got my, my, my faith needs. I've got, uh, I've had, um, and going to hernia, high it'll hernia. I have, when I came back from, I can't remember if it was Afghanistan or Iraq, one of these wonderful garden spots that I was, I went to a couple of times. When I came back, I was really suffering internally. (07:07) Man, there's something not right with me. They went in and when they were, they were repairing the, uh, the, the, the in Guayna hernia, the, the surgeon, she said to me, uh, when I woke up, she said, look, I don't know what happened, but it looked, forgive me for being, it kind of colorful here, but she said, look like a rat had chewed inside of you. (07:28) And I said, what? She said, yeah, but, you know, we saw some scar tissue. So we're, we're presuming that whatever you had some sort of parasitic infection that was really doing some damage in there. But it appears that, that whatever it was, you beat it, but it's caused, you know, quite a bit of havoc in inside. (07:44) So, um, I was dealing with that. I had tuberculosis, um, for, for years on medication. We had, uh, we got exposed to anthrax, so then we had to get, you know, cypcharole. And so I think over time that kind of takes an, uh, an effect on the body, um, yeah, absolutely. That's insane. It, um, yeah, a lot of our brave men and women in uniform, uh, you know, we'll come back now and then it's not just, it's not just the, the PTSD, there really is, you know, some, some physical challenges that are, are, are, are folks in uniform are coming back with. (08:18) So, um, again, I had it a lot better than most. So for, for the love of God, please don't feel sorry for me. I'm doing great. I feel great, um, nothing that, uh, that a couple of Cuban coffee won't fix. There you go. It's always the coffee. It always helps out. Everyone in the chat that I have received over 200 questions. (08:39) Do we have any answer every one of them in an hour or less than an hour now, 45 minutes. We're going to answer all 200. No, no, no, no, but I got them on Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, email, Instagram in the last two weeks. And of course, you know, I will not be able to ask all of them. I picked a few of the ones that I found the most intriguing and original to ask along with my own. (08:59) Um, I also want to say that I can't follow the live chat accurately while we are streaming here live. So if you have a burning hot, original question to ask, then please help out this channel by doing a super chat, which will of course grab my attention from the rest of the chat and will be asked. So believe it or not, we had a super chat question already given to, uh, given to us by, uh, So we low are at around one PM, right? So like five hours ago, uh, for $20 supporting the channel. (09:27) Thank you so much, So we low. And the question is, um, condensing this question into one here. So it says, can we understand the psychology of those operating the UAP through, uh, through observation, giving us signs that they enjoy toying with their pilots, even mischievously. Therefore showing that their evolution could possibly be similar to ours. (09:51) What are your thoughts on that? Wow. Uh, first of all, I've never been asked that question before. Thank you very much. Very insightful. Good question. You know, the problem with, with this topic is we tend because we're human beings, we tend to assign anthropomorphic characteristics to, to everything in nature. (10:10) Um, every time I play with my dog, what I do, well, you're such a good little boy, right? And, and you know, there's, uh, I, I'm connecting with a sentient being and as such, I as Now, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, but I think we tend to do that the same thing when we're talking about the UAP topic. (10:29) We tend to ascribe human motivations, human intent, human psychology, sociology as well, to, to this thing because what we see are observations there that defy our current understanding. And in order for us to better rationalize what we are experiencing and seeing, it's easier for us to put it in a nice, neat little box that we understand. (10:56) Um, but you know, Christina, you said it in the beginning of the show here about thinking outside the box, by the way, I, I love that part of your show to be getting that, that intro. Um, but we, we have to force ourselves to, to think outside of the box. In fact, we have to, we have to presume there's no box at all. (11:15) And, and that's, that's hard to do because, um, it goes against, uh, everything we are is a human species. Um, whether or not there is an intent to toy with the human race. Um, it's certainly possible. But then you have to presume that whatever it is is more human, more similar to us, uh, then, then, then perhaps we, we, we, we realize. (11:42) Uh, and you know, that, that, and itself is kind of a scary notion. Are we dealing with it with something else that's very similar to human beings and as far as thought process and motivation? I certainly hope not because we tend to be a pretty unpredictable violent species. Um, I'm not sure I would want another human like, uh, species having access to that type of technology, um, because they may do human type things, right? They may react in ways that we as humans do it in, in, in, in, it's, in, it's not, that's (12:15) not always a good thing. So I guess my question is, is it, is your questions is, is it possible? Yeah, it's absolutely possible. Uh, and they, they, they could be toying with us. But, um, it's also possible that they're not and that we are looking at these observations of performance and, and the way they, they're maneuvering and we are ascribing it attributes that may not necessarily be there. (12:37) Um, but it is the only point of reference that we have. And so therefore we ascribe these, these human type attributes. And then, has a question. Thank you so much, John, for the 50. Wow. Um, he says, Lou, uh, will there definitely be anything definitive, definitively non-human enough to shut down all debunkers coming anytime soon to put on the front page of the New York Times? The 23 minute high deaf video, um, anything we haven't heard about yet. (13:10) We can't lose momentum. No, I think you're right. We can't lose momentum. And I don't, I don't think we are. Um, I've mentioned this before. We are in a marathon relay race. We're not in a sprint. Um, let's just reflect very quickly on the last three years, just the last three years, okay? Let me, let me if I may remind your audience just how much we collectively, all of us, your audience included, have been able to accomplish in just three years. (13:38) First of all, you have the acknowledgement that the UFO program called A to existed and was real. You also have the acknowledgement that those three videos were absolutely real and they were taken from DOD weapon systems. You also have the acknowledgement that we have no idea what they are that they are truly unidentified aerial phenomena. (13:56) You have the establishment of a UAP task force, not unidentified aerial balloons or drums, but unidentified aerial phenomenon. You have classified briefings being provided to Congress. Then you on top of that, you have briefings being provided to the president of the United States and the president admitting that he received briefings on this topic. (14:15) Then on top of that, you have a hundred and eighty day report, which I suspect we're going to talk about a little bit today and what that means. And on top of that, you have a signed document by the depth sector that came out and said, hey, look, have the eggs saying, we need to develop a strategy, a long term strategy, not just something to answer this hundred and eighty day report, but long term going into the future, we need to provide resources, assets, talent behind it. (14:41) Then you have recently in the latest legislation, language saying that not only do we now want a hundred and eighty day report, but we want to report every ninety days and oh, by the way, that includes anything that you haven't reported to us before. So get ready because there's a lot of information coming out. (14:57) And then all on top of that, you have an IG evaluation and an IG investigation on the handling of this topic within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community. So that has all happened in the last three years. In the last three years, you have countries like Japan coming out and establishing a bilateral relationship with the United States government for the sole purpose of sharing UAP related information. (15:22) That ain't a bad track, folks. And you all made that happen. So yeah, I get it. We're itchy for the, we're waiting for that next dopamine hit, but let's not lose sight of how far we really have come and where we need to go. The last thing we want to do is prematurely do something that is not quite ready for prime time and it winds up working counter to what we're trying to do. (15:50) So the good news is there's a lot happening and there's going to be a lot more happening. You know, I said we're firmly into third gear right now and we are. There's some things in the next two or three months that I'm personally involved with in my colleagues at Chris Mellon that I think, you know, if the public were to find out, they'd be pretty surprised and extremely excited. (16:13) You know, we're moving right along. Oh my gosh. I also, I completely just want to tell people that are listening because we have quite an audience today and I want to say some chip superchats are actually falling off my list. So if your question gets skipped, please just pace it again as a reminder without the super chat and a copy in the moderator name just because we're getting a lot of things happening right now. (16:39) So Russell has a question and before I get to Russell, Charles says, tell Lou, I love him. Stay strong and stay somber. Thank you, Charles. And also a big thank you to someone, I guess, who put on Twitter, an artist's rendition of me, far too kind. Thank you so much. You certainly drew me better than I really looking real life. (16:59) So I thank you for that. I couldn't really pronounce the handle of, it had some characters in there that didn't recognize but a little alien head as an icon. And anyways, just wanted to say thanks. Oh, that's, that's cute. You have some really big fans. You have people rooting for you. John Russell asks, also thank you so much for the 50. (17:21) That's amazing. What has been your most memorable or dramatic UFO, UAP paranormal experience? Wow. Just lay it on as Lou. I think that's to be careful. You know, great question. Should I pass some drinks over to you? You know, I think that's a question that needs to be answered probably on its own podcast, where we're going to dedicate the entire time to it. (17:58) Look, I've lived an extraordinary life. I've told people I'm an unexplored and living through extraordinary times. I've been privy to things that I don't understand. I'll just put it as simple as that. This is a strange universe we live in. It's a wonderous universe we live in. (18:15) It's a huge universe we live in. Both at the grand scale of things and even at the micro-nether levels. It's, you know, there are, when you say what's the greatest experience I've had or most wonders experience involving UAP and or paranormal. That's a loaded question. And again, that's a question that I, at some point, I'll probably share. (18:42) It wasn't one incident, you know, for those who know who I am in my involvement with folks like how put off in Kigreen, you know, those ties go way back. And you know, there's things I've been exposed to that I can't explain. As a scientist, you know, in my background, you know, for the microbiology and immunology. (19:05) And you know, I'm careful not to really talk about it publicly because it's really easy to go down that rabbit hole of the womb. And as interesting as treating as it may be, it can also serve as a distraction because at the end of the day, they're just my observations and my own experiences. (19:23) And I wouldn't want that to take the collection of information and analysis that needs to be done in the UAP topic. You know, a lot of the best reporters, you have no idea what political affiliation they are. You don't know if they're conservative or liberal, you don't know what religion they are. (19:38) Because they try to remain objective. And even though they do have personal beliefs, you know, it's less relevant to the pursuit of truth. For we ultimately, this is about truth. And you know, there's a lot of truth out there. And you know, one that just has to talk to indigenous people here in our country that have been here for millennia. (20:02) They have incredible, fascinating stories. You know, I think there's a lot to be said. And I hope one day I can share some of my experiences in a way that people are going to judge me or judge anybody else I was with. The problem is we're too early in the conversation right now. It's too much of a distraction. (20:26) Too many people need to come out of the shadows to continue this conversation. And by me going into my own personal experiences could, could, could, could hinder that process. And so with all due respect, love the question, very sincere and, and it, I'm really struggling because I really want to have this conversation. (20:47) But probably now is not the time for it. Well, we will all be waiting when you do tell the story. We'll all be there like biting our nails and be like, oh my gosh, he's going to tell it. So we're excited for the three. We got the phone call for you. And 3D sunglasses, right? Oh, absolutely. My next question is is obviously the mainstream media has shifted its focus since the report dropped. (21:09) But to me, you know, I've been shocked at how quiet they are on the topic of UFOs now. In your opinion, do you think this is because an official lid of silence has been dropped? Or is it just a natural curb of disinterest? No, it's, it's, it's neither. We, we've turned the dial down. We, we had that, we had the oven cooking and we had to get it up to operating temperature of 500 degrees. (21:35) I don't need to continue that gas right now to go up to 800 degrees, 800 degrees. We need to keep it at 500. And sometimes you have to turn back the gas a little bit to, to keep the oven temperature constant. Remember, this is, this is a long game. You don't want to waste all your, your, your magic bullets, your rounds prematurely. (21:57) Everything has to be very strategic. This is, this is a long-term campaign. And this isn't just, you know, this isn't a super bowl where we, you know, have a half-time show and you have pyro techniques and whatnot. You know, this is, this is real life. And what we're trying to do is, is keep this conversation going and letting people catch their breath. (22:17) There's a lot of things happening in the world right now that demand our attention. There's things like Afghanistan, you know, there's things like COVID and the new Delta variant. You know, we have to let people catch their breath and we can't, we can't be selfish and just dominate and consume the narrative 24 hours a day because people will get fatigued and eventually they'll get annoyed. (22:37) So, so, you know, again, this, this is something that comes in waves. I've, I've said this before for the last three years. We're not in the business of satisfying idle curiosity, we're in the business of disclosure and, and, and to do disclosure, right, you know, you, you have to, you have to be very methodical about it, very strategic about it. (22:57) But no, that there's a lot happening right now. We have, some of us have deliberately made the decision to throttle back a little bit and let everybody else, everything else catch up and then continue to move forward if that makes sense. And by the way, I know we're going to be upsetting some people out there saying, you know, you don't have the right to do that. (23:15) Well, it's not just me. I mean, anybody can get up here and champion the cause if they want to, but it's, it's, it's a strategy we collectively have chosen to take because, because quality matters, right? Who, who, who in the media is, is presenting the information of what is the evidence of the presenting? The last thing you want to do is make some proclamation and not have the evidence to back it up because that, that will hurt disclosure. (23:38) Oh, yeah, and all of us definitely want quality over quantity. Do you want to have a McDonald's burger? Or do you want to have a really good burger? Yeah, you want Ruth's, Chris or, you know, do you want, not do want something else? You know, John has another question and he says, Lew, your thoughts on Sam Harris saying he and his science colleagues are getting classified better videos from the CIA that show it's non-human and he says they need his advice for how to break the truth to the public. (24:11) Uh, who's Sam Harris, if I may ask? That sounds good. Hopefully, John can clarify that because I also don't know. If you're receiving briefing from the CIA, then clearly you're obviously in the scattered castles in J. Wicks database, right? So I should be able to pull you up and see if you have a top secret clearance and where your tickets are being held and see that you're having these meetings with these individuals like you claim you have. (24:38) If you do, great, welcome to the party. It's about time. But if you're just talking crap and full of crap and just, you know, making non-sensical claims without evidence and, you know, I don't know what to tell you. I don't know who Mr. (24:59) Harris is, but that doesn't mean necessarily that he's not telling the truth. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I can certainly find out if these, if this is having briefings, you know, with the, with the CIA. I can't imagine that they're going to be asking somebody who's not connected to the National Security Council or a think tank on, you know, how to have this conversation with the American people. (25:19) Well, when you let us know, or when, when you find out, please let us know. Seth Zubi has a question. I'm sorry. We're going through these so quickly. Let's go. People are just like, they want to ask you a lot of things. So they say, hi, Christina. Perhaps you could ask him if he thinks the ZYP is travel using some sort of warp drive and that way probably avoid the massive GeForce. (25:43) Wow. Seth Zubi is a high-prinous set. I'm going to, I'm going to get so. I like the name. I like you too. Yeah. I love it. You know, that's certainly one of the hypothesis. I'd say probably at this point more of a theory of any kind of hypothesis. There's a lot of mathematical equations. In fact, you know what, give me a second. (26:03) I'm going to show you something. Hold on. All right. Guys, I want to say thank you for everyone that is watching. That has questions that even sent in questions through the emails, Reddit, Twitter, through everything. He's a great guy to ask questions too. One of the books that we had in A-Tip that I looked at a lot of the ZYSPL care, okay? And it's Frontiers of Propulsion Science. (26:27) You can see in there that it's in some names you might recognize there. And when you open this book up, it's really just a huge amount of mathematical equations. And oh, there you go. Mathematical equations and whatnot. This is important because this is exactly how we look at the potential of what advanced propulsion might look like and what those signatures might look like. (26:57) And so is it possible that these things are a warping space time that certainly seems, you know, to be a really, really good theory? Certainly, the mathematical equations and scientific models suggest that. GD has a question. Thank you so much for the 20. And they say, one, does the A, it says the IAA, parenthesis is FYI, the 2022 required the UAPTF/NASIC to report to Congress on UAP events pre FY20. (27:32) Yes, it does. That's the key every 90 days and whatever you haven't reported in the past since the 1940s is supposed to be reported to Congress. Okay. Second question they have is, did the USG discover the exotic matter? Or USG custody? That's a good question. I have to be very careful how I answer any questions about exotic material or anything like that. (28:05) I have said for the record, it is my belief that the US government is in possession of it. I am not a liberty to elaborate any more than that, unfortunately. Of course. At least not now. But when that does happen, I'll have to ask you again. Absolutely. The last thing is, what are your thoughts on the UK funding report, plasma on radar, etc? Yeah, a condi report. (28:31) Well, there's a lot of prosaic explanations for a lot of things. At the end of the day, the report that we had to Congress, 180-day report, there were 144 incidents and only one of them was solved. Right. And, importantly, that 144 incidents, 142, then were in the last year and a half alone and by the Navy only. (28:54) So that's important because in a year and a half, in just involving the Navy, you had 142 incidents. And by the way, we only figured one of those out. And then furthermore, in the report, it says specifically that most of the reporting never went reported because of fear stigma and some sort of retribution, professional retribution, which by the way, ask now I know it is real. (29:20) And so if you look at that, just do the simple math, let's just say 10% of these incidents are reported. That means that the US Navy experienced over 1,400 incidents in the last year and a half alone. And most of them went unreported. We have no idea what they are. And that's just the Navy. So what about the Air Force? What about the Army? Right. (29:45) What about everybody else? And not just the last year and a half, but what about the last decade? What about the last three decades? What about the last 70 years? So great question. Chuck has a question. Thank you so much. Also, your profile pick makes me smile. He says, Christina, Jimmy had a guest on Wednesday on Jolly. (30:03) Excuse me. She is ex-military and recently did a press conference in DC announcing her intentions to revisit an alien base in the Mojave Desert. Can you ask Lou about this? Sounds amazing. You know, great. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You know, I got to say it's good luck. I hope she's right. (30:30) But I probably wouldn't quit my day job just right now to go run in the desert and try to find an alien base somewhere in the Mojave Desert. You know, I think there's a lot of people who want to be part of a narrative. I don't know on Jolly, just like I don't know the other individual from Area 51. (31:02) You know, Bob Lazar, everybody asks me, what do you think of Bob Lazar? I don't. I've never met the gentleman. You know, I don't have an opinion. I have an opinion of Angelie. I think it's very careful when you look at someone's career, you have to look at the nuances. As a government employee, you have a rank and you have authority. (31:23) As a contractor, you provide services to the government and the customer. You know, it's important that people, like if you were to see my resume, which I think is public, I don't know. But at some point of view, sure, will be you can see precisely where I was assigned, what I did, what my roles and responsibilities were and what, what, what I, the type of duties I performed. (31:46) You know, we're going to go actually on a quick break and I will come right back into some more questions. So everyone hang tight. All righty. Hey, for the record, I agree with that, Christina. I know books are expensive, putting my kids from college. You know, and I know you do a lot of this on your own. (32:05) So let me, let me, if I can second that motion for those of you out of the audience, no, I don't get a penny for those. I don't ever charge for, for, for these type of things. But Christina has been working her ass off and has done, by the way, a fantastic job in carrying the torch forward. You know, I, I think that's a pretty simple ask if you'd like to have access to this type of information and this type of material, you know, it takes time and it takes her away from doing things that she could otherwise be doing to put, you know, food on the table (32:36) and pay the rent, you know, she could be working somewhere and not doing this for us. So I, I agree with that, you know, if you can help out any way you can, you know, you're, you're helping the team. Thank you. And I have so much more planned for this channel. I have so many projects planned. So if you become a Patreon, you'll become a partner and a partner with me and you'll be able to have access with so many behind the scene videos and pictures and so many extra goodies like the graphics I make for my channel. (33:05) I can do that for you as well for those that are watching. So it's going to go a long way. It's going to go an absolutely long way. Now let's jump back into the questions. So let me, let me find it because now I'm getting lost. But C.J says, thank you so much, by the way. He says, I'm a huge, huge fan of Lou. (33:27) Same. And you were my introduction to UFOs and I still can't get enough. Thanks. Do you have any UFO books you recommend? Boy, that's a loaded question, a good question. You know, I hate making recommendations because different people are going to read different books and take the information differently. (33:47) There was a book that was given to me by a gentleman named Dean Johnson in Washington, DC when I was, I was there with Chris, my colleague Chris Mellon. And we've had the privilege of speaking with him a few times. And he shared with me a book. And you know, people share with me a lot of books all the time. (34:04) We got to read this, we got to read this, and I do. But he suggested one. And it's a little science fiction novel, it says about three stories in this little tiny book and it's called "Chains of the Sea." Not "Chains in the Sea," "Chains of the Sea." And it is the second story in that book. (34:23) It's a short story, maybe 30, 40, 50 pages long. But it is a wonderful little story because it provides a completely different potentiality of what this means. Now, I don't necessarily subscribe to it. Let me just say that. But what I'm saying is it forces you to think, remember, we talk about the box, right? This forces you to think outside of the box, a completely different paradigm of what something might be, what the phenomenon might be, what paranormal might be, what our interaction might be. (34:54) And I found it really original and it really forced me to think and reconsider and recalibrate my own position on the topic of UAP. And so if there was a book I would recommend, it would be that. Again, I don't make a penny from it. I couldn't tell you, it probably is not very much money. You can probably download it for free, I imagine. (35:21) But it's, again, it's, I think it's a unique perspective that's certainly worth at least just reading because it forces you to think about things in a slightly different way. And M-U-A-P has a question. Thank you so much for the 50. That's amazing. Says, aliens, don't scare me. The Chinese and the Russians do, unfortunately. (35:42) Should I be nervous that some of this may be these adversaries? Well, certainly a potential. It appears to be exceedingly unlikely because we've been seeing this technology since the late 1940s. And it's not by the way documented in official US government documentation. So, so we've been dealing with these things. (36:03) And of course everybody knows about the TIGTAC in 2004. But they might be surprised to know that there were other TIGTAC sightings going back to the 60s and the 50s where they were described as white flying butane tanks, right? 40 feet long or white flying throat lozzages. You know, we were describing these things based upon De Shon right at the time. (36:25) But they were still performing exactly the same way that Commander Fraver and Alex Dietrich witnessed in 2004. So if there is a country that has this beyond next generation technology and they had it since the late 1940s were in real trouble, right? And so I think the likelihood of that is exceedingly small. (36:44) If you look at where the world was, let's just take the United States, which was probably the most technological we advanced at the time. Where were we in the late 40s? Well, we were just unlocking the secrets of the atom. We were just entering the jet age and we were still decades away from going into space. (37:03) You know, that's a pretty big kill to swallow. If you want to consider that some country at the time that had the technology of horse and ox pulling, pulling bugs. It's really unlikely. The signature and the amount of money and resources it would take to develop that technology and then keep it secret for this long, I think is highly improbable. (37:31) We have another question and it says, and I don't know if I'm showing it, but it'll all end up showing it. But the question is, the deep hesitation effects of climate change seem to be upon us as a species. And if not dealt with, may lead to mass extinction events in the near future. Has the connection between the UAP and climate change been discussed or considered at all? Great question. (37:59) Yeah, that's really interesting. You know, no, not in an official sense. It's been bantered about by some people who have quietly expressed that opinion that, maybe the two are related, but there's never been any earnest study into that. Not that I'm aware of, certainly not with AIT. But you know, it's interesting. (38:26) It really is an interesting question and maybe that's something that maybe we should consider. I think why not? And that was someone of a popular question when I had posted it online. I did get a few questions on something in between those lines. John has another question. Thank you. And says, Lou, some high level people have said that the public should not know the truth. (38:58) Can't handle it. But they're already been way more than enough to admit by higher ups to admit it's non-human. What are your thoughts? Well, you know, I was going to get me in trouble too. I hate going back and forth on this. I think that the American people in the world deserve to know the truth. (39:14) I think whether you can handle it or not is irrelevant. We can handle a lot of things. We handle the fact that there's countries that want to nuke us as countries out there that involve themselves in terrorism and our way of life. We can handle a lot. We're about to handle a hurricane that's barreling down right now on New Orleans as terrible as it is. (39:35) So we can't handle the truth. But then of course, I turned to social media and I see sometimes the comments I get against me and I scratch my head saying, well, you know, maybe they can't handle the truth. Maybe they'll hear if they're shooting the messenger and just trying to give them what they want it. (39:52) And now the bad guy in the enemy. And I can't tell you how many times I slay the computer shut and say, you know what, the screw of they can't handle the truth. They don't deserve the truth. Let them live in darkness and maybe 100 years I'll be ready. I'm being honest with you, but then of course, you know, I'll have a chance to kind of sit down for a second, take a breath and, you know, collect my thoughts and say, okay, you know, enough for the pity party. (40:15) Let's get back to work, roll or sleep up and let's continue to have this conversation. So I get it. I do think that people can handle the truth. I'm committed to the truth. In fact, I don't think you could have freedom without truth. The two go hand in hand. You can't claim to be a free society. (40:33) If you don't, if you don't pursue the truth and you don't provide the truth to your citizens, you're just at that point. It's just propaganda and tyranny. UAP has a question and it says, did Lou ever visit Skinwalker Ranch? And if he did, did he experience anything unusual? You know, I'm going to let somebody else, you know, Skinwalker Ranch is a fascinating place. (40:59) And you know, I will tell you, there's definitely things in my opinion that go bump in the night. I know it's probably not very pleasant to think about, but I've seen enough evidence to suggest that, you know, there's something going on there. I would recommend talking to Brandon Fue, only because he's the new owner of that facility. (41:18) I am certainly not qualified. A lot of that work was done under the auspices of OSAP and under Bob Biglot and the former director before me. They are certainly more qualified to tell you what they think of us, Skinwalker Ranch. Am I aware of some pretty weird things happening there? Absolutely. Am I aware of some of these things happening to my own people? Yeah, I am. (41:43) But that's for sure. When are you going to write a book? When are you going to write a book? I don't want to read my book. It would already be like a New York bestseller. Preston has a question. Says, Lou, grateful for your dedication to this topic. Can you assure us this is a true unknown and not related to nemesis/paliadum type of programs? Yeah, palladium. (42:07) So he's talking about, he or she is a person who is talking about electronic warfare. The problem with electronic warfare, it works off the electromagnetic spectrum and I can't go into too much detail, so you know, we get into some sensitive stuff. But the bottom line is you can spoof a radar, but you can't spoof the human eye. (42:24) That's just the bottom line. So any type of electronic warfare, yes, you can fool a radar into thinking an object is either there or it's not there or there's a bunch of them. But you can't fool the human eye and you can't fool, gun, camera, finish. So they're in line as a problem. (42:41) The problems in our pilots are encountering the themes, the problems that our sailors are encountering these things and our soldiers and our airmen. So it's simply not a viable option to say this is nemesis or palladium because it doesn't explain the other aspects of this phenomena. It doesn't explain the eyewitness testimony in the count and the actual footage that we've been privy to. (43:12) Absolutely. Another question is, Hi, Lou, if you are a civilian scientist and could place a limited amount of sensor systems around the globe, where would you focus on placing them in order to capture data on your feet? Thanks. So I will share something with you. I'm not going to, I won't go into too much, too much detail, but we're looking at that right now. (43:38) And you'd be surprised. It's a lot easier than you might think. You might not even need a whole bunch of sensors. You might just need one and you might need to know where to put it and then how to cooperate that data with other data. I'm going to do a very polite pass on that because my hope is that in the not too distant future, I can share the precise answer to that. (44:04) And I think, I think, you know, I use this, I don't use this term very often, but I think it's going to blow your mind. I think you guys are going to go, oh my God. It's been there all along. It's so cute. When you have a good question, but you can't answer it, you'll do like this really cute little smirk and you're like, I know and I want to say it, but I can't. (44:23) You know, which is really why I wasn't a good intelligence officer because my poker face is terrible. I get really excited because somebody's questions are so wonderful. And I'm like, I just want to tell you, but you know, again, we got to make sure we do this right. Rich says, and thank you, everyone for the super chat. (44:43) I know I'm not saying thank you, but thank you all so, so much. Rich says has Lou ever been in the presence of some washing, sorry, I said washing some machine slash. Yes, washing machine. I try to avoid it as much as possible, but yes, I've been in front of washing machines before. Because another question was played in my head that someone else asked, but some machine slash craft of non-human origin. (45:09) Let me go back to the question that I answered before in my opinion is in the US government in possession of exotic material. I answered yes to that. I can't go, as I said before, I cannot elaborate any more than that. There's very specific reasons why I can't and I have to, I have to honor and acknowledge those reasons and those requests. (45:32) So for the time being, I'm going to do a polite pass on that question, very good question and one question that I hope to be able to discuss a little further at some point. I want to mention to everyone where I have about 10 minutes for the show, there is going to be an extra 15 minutes for all my Patreon supporters. (45:51) So this question here by Red Panda Qual is going to be our last question for the day, but I also want to mention, you know, if you had one that you want to ask what's going to be, like, what's the answer to that? So here we go. I don't think what I said made sense, but it'll make more sense to me going. (46:13) Red Panda Koala says, "Lew, do you think Havana syndrome is related to UAP? Sounds like A-tip slide nine." First of all, a profoundly relevant question. That I'm not prepared to answer right now. I'm thinking in my mind right now, the number of individuals that are breathing down my neck, if I could go into that. (46:50) You know, there are some very interesting peculiarities. I am not qualified to discuss the nuances of Havana syndrome. I think we are still trying to figure that out. That's all we can say. Okay. Well, here we go. We do have a few extra minutes. So we have eight more minutes, and I'm sorry, I miss red the time. (47:15) So we are going to go over a few more and the last one is like my favorite question of all time. But here we go. Another question is 94. There was a studying at a school in Africa where many school children claim to have seen beings exit a craft. And some were given a message telepathically. The message was that we are destroying our planet. (47:36) What are your thoughts on that? Thank you. Yeah, quite possible. It's, it's, you can't disprove it. It's, it's interesting anecdotal data, but at the end of the day, you can't quantify and qualify it. It is personal perception. And that's based on human psychology. I'm not saying it's, it's not, it's not relevant. (47:57) The problem is there's no way to objectively take that data and, and, and, and employ the scientific method to determine the veracity of that information. And so as a result of that, we didn't really include that type of data into our ATIP efforts later on certainly when I was part of the one I was in charge of the effort. (48:20) Because from a DOD perspective, the Department of Defense perspective, there was no way I could go to a, a leader in, in the government and say, hey, sir, hey, ma'am, you know, these kids claim to have telepathic communication with these beings, whatever they may be. That, that doesn't, that doesn't do anything for the conversation. (48:40) Doesn't, doesn't help a leader make a decision one way or the other. So we kept everything that we could, you know, they kept the conversation to that data that can be measured, it can be tabulated, it can be, you know, if you will, compared to other data that we had, you know, there's signature, signature data is very important. (48:58) You know, everything has a signature. This patent, if I throw it in the air, will have a signature. There will be small discrete changes in, in the air around it that can, that can be measured. And when you talk about potential telepathic communication, you know, between species, there's no, there's no real signature there that you can, you can grab a whole other, or if there is a signature, it's beyond our technology to, to, to really do anything with. (49:27) So it, it, it's certainly interesting, but it wasn't a focus of, of us an A tip and so therefore I can, I can't really elaborate. Is it possible? Sure. Is it true? Could be. Is it just human interpretation of something? Yeah, that could be that too. You know, I, I don't know. And therefore I, it's probably best that I don't provide my opinion because it's at the end of the day, it's unqualified, it's not unqualified opinion that I have. (49:56) Another, another question is Christopher Mellon has mentioned in several past interviews that UAP activity has been increasing and getting bolder. Is this something you can cooperate and if so, are you able to share any examples with us today? It, it does appear certainly that there are, that the UAP activity seems more provocative. (50:20) It seems less afraid, less elusive, more in our face. You know, more willing to, to, to defy our controlled airspace. That I agree with wholeheartedly, that's, that's a concern for us. But the question with metrics, you always have to be careful because now we have more people, you know, with, with these little devices in their hands that have, you know, better technology in them than our best gun camera footage did 15 years ago, right? A big, best gun cameras and pod, flare pods. (50:52) So we have to be careful because, you know, there's more people now looking into, it's like saying in a, in a, for example, a big city, you know, has crime rates have, have, have, have gone up 5%. Well, what does that mean? Is it really that there's more criminals on the street or does it mean that we have more cops on the street that are catching criminals or does it mean that we have now more aggressive DA that's prosecuting criminals, right? So you have to be careful with numbers because numbers can mean a lot of things to a lot of (51:19) people. And so that's why, you know, I'm always careful to, to, to make a, a definitive statement that, you know, that, that UAP activities increasing. What we can say is that, that technology is more proliferated. So more people have these devices in their hands and are able to collect more people or aware of things in our skies and more people are looking to the skies, which by the way means more people are going to misidentify things. (51:43) So, you know, before we all rush to the conclusion and say, "Hey, this is great, you know, we're, we're UFO activity and we're going to see more things." Well, yeah, but we're also going to see a lot of, we're having a lot more, more, misses as well because we're going to have a lot more opportunity to misidentify things. (51:58) So Starlink is up there. I was sitting not too long ago on a, on a early evening and watch 52 satellites in, in a line, cross over the, cross over the horizon, you know, just five years ago, that would have been shocking. And yet, here it is. It's just Starlink. So, and, and it's, I think it's, very, it's, it's very normal that people are misidentifying these things, especially now more than ever. (52:24) And I quickly want to say, Jean, thank you so much. They say, no question. Just a thank you for a great show that I'll enjoy listening to a couple, a few, a few, a couple more times. Sorry about that, but I agree. For people that have watched the loose interviews, he always drops little things here and there and you, you have to listen to it a few times to really catch it. (52:46) So, I agree with you, Jean. My next question is given everything you've learned in your opinion, has the intelligence behind the UAP phenomenon already been designated behind closed doors as an, like, as an external threat and, and existing threat? You know, I think there's two schools of thought, I think, is that definitely from a, from a national security perspective, it's viewed as a potential threat. (53:16) But let's not confuse potential threat with hostile intent, right? So, I've said this before, if I go to an airport to jump on a 737, you know, Southwest flight to Denver, there's not much of a threat there. But if I go onto the runway, the tarmac of that same airport and get behind that same airplane and put my head behind the engine while it's throttling up, well, now there's a threat, there's a threat to my hearing, there's a threat to my, I'm going to get burned, there's an environmental (53:43) threat. Is it intentional? Not necessarily. It's just a product of the technology. You know, so I, I think there's two schools of thoughts on it. I, you know, when I was in the government, my, my focus had to be that this is a potential national security threat. But now that I'm outside the government, I'm free to express my own opinion a little bit more. (54:04) And, you know, I'm, I think with every, with every challenge comes opportunity. One only has to look at the, at the Apollo mission in the 1960s in the space race against the Soviet Union, then the Soviet Union. Over 6,200 life-changing technologies in industry came out of the result of that little space race. (54:22) You know, that decade in time where now we have things like the LED light bulb, we have the CAT scan, things that are improving humanity's, well being on this planet and have long outlived their original intent and purpose. So, you know, I tend to be a little bit more optimistic. I, I don't think everything that's necessarily a threat is, is an intentional threat. (54:44) And I think there's always opportunity. You just need to, to know how to, how to look for it. And right now everyone's asking about the 23 minute video. Can you talk about that? I, I can't, what I can say is that I was privy to it. Many videos. I have to, I have to let the government try to do its due diligence. (55:09) And, and, you know, let's not forget that the Pentagon, Pentagon claimed to erase and destroy all my emails. Despite there being a, a, a court protective order that, that restricted that. So they've, they've got some, some, some questions they have to answer. And I want to give the, the, the US government, the Pentagon, the time necessary to, to figure that out. (55:35) You know, the, and there's videos that are very compelling. I've said before that the three videos that came out are probably the least compelling. As compelling as they may be, they're, they're the least compelling. There's some that are pretty extraordinary. But I, they haven't been released. (55:51) It's not up to me to release them. And I really can't talk about them until at some point the government decides it did want to first of all locate them. And then second of all, provide them. RG has a question and they say does DHS red sell ever used UAP simulation events to test US military responses, which may have been confused as real events. (56:15) And this is going to be the last super chat for today guys. We are running out of time. So please answer that, Lou. You know, I got to tell you I've never been asked that before. It, that's, that's a fascinating question. One that I'm going to talk to, to my colleagues about Chris and some other people back in DC. (56:36) You know, that's certainly a possibility. I've personally never, never considered that before. That's why I love doing these because your audience is so sophisticated. They're always coming up with these great questions. And I can't tell you how many times that, that these questions will come up. (56:49) And I'll go run right back to DC, be like, you know, hey guys, we got to talk, you know, that's, that's great. That's great. I, I, I, I'm not avoiding the question. I just, I simply don't know, but I can tell you this. I promise you this. I will ask the question and I will report back what I find. (57:07) And here is our last question for the show. What is one question you haven't been asked, but wish you had been? What is it? What's the answer? Hmm. Because you've done thousands of interviews. I have. And there's so many questions that still need to be asked. There isn't one that's better than the other because we're putting together a jigsaw puzzle, right? It's, it's no one piece of that jigsaw puzzle is going to put the whole puzzle together and give you that aha moment. (57:43) Ah, there it is. Now the, now the whole puzzle comes together. That's not the way it works. All pieces are critical. All pieces are important. I personally don't have the patience to put together a jigsaw puzzle because it drives me crazy because every single piece is important. What I do is I do what most people do. (58:00) I kind of categorize them according to shapes, straight edges. Okay, these are going to be on the perimeter and color. Okay, this is probably part of that scene and, and whatnot. But at the end of the day, there is no piece more important. There is no question. There is no golden question out there that people should say, okay, how do we, you know, if we only asked this question to Lou, then we would have all the answers. (58:23) That's sadly not the case. All questions are important and all questions should be asked. Is there a question that people should have asked me? You know, I think, I think we're on a great roll. I think the questions that are being asked here tonight were some of the most insightful I've had a chance to answer in a very long time. (58:40) In fact, I'm kind of surprised because every single one of your questions are great questions from your audience. Usually when I first came out, people were asking me, you know, all sorts of stuff, you know, and some of the questions were, you know, probably a little bit, a little bit more basic than others. (58:55) So then let's give an applause to everyone that's watching and put in their questions. Absolutely. Thank you, everyone. You, I mean, you were able to answer a lot of them. And like you said, these were questions that haven't been asked. People that were writing these questions have seen your interviews and they were getting frustrated. (59:13) They're like, why are people asking these questions that I want to ask? So I think I was very lucky to be able to host this today and actually have people ask their questions along with the ones that were sent to me prior. And overall, it's, I'd spend such a blessing for you to be here with me today and to have this conversation. (59:32) Absolutely. I'll show you to the way around. It is, look, we are only successful. I've said this before. I'm going to say it again because, you know, I don't know if people don't believe me or what, but look, we're only where we are today because we can collectively have this conversation. (59:47) The only reason why you can do what you do is because you have an audience that's listening, that's interested. And that's the only reason why I can come out and I can have the conversation I'm having. So at the end of the day, we're only here because of your audience. It's incredible. (1:00:02) It's not, it's not me. And I don't know how to emphasize that enough. You know, a lot of people kind of look up to me in a way that I frankly, I don't deserve, I really don't deserve it. It's, it's, the credit goes to your audience and folks like you. And I, food stomped out a thousand times and people say, "Oh, just being, you know, gracious, you know, he's being humble. (1:00:24) " But it's true. It's absolutely true. We achieved this collectively over the last three years because of the hard efforts of everyone right now that's listening. And I can't, I can't overstate that enough. When I have conversations in DC, they're watching Twitter, they're watching your show. (1:00:42) They're dialing in in a pseudo because they don't want to expose themselves but make no mistake. They're watching your videos. I can't say who it was, but very recently I got an email from a very, very, very senior person and I said very three times because they are very senior. And they say, "Hey, I saw that interview on this podcast. (1:00:59) " And you know what? The podcast was yours. It was, it wasn't CNN or Fox News or BBC. It was your podcast and he said, "Hey, man, that was great." So, you guys are making a difference. This is it. This is the future. This is how we have this conversation with everyone and it's not going to be done by a politician. (1:01:23) I assure you, disclosure is only going to happen because of you and your audience. So... By the people. Yep. By the people. So, bonus content of questions and answers, previously only available to Patreon club members. So again, in your opinion, could there be a covert engagement, like a conflict going on with the intelligence behind the UAPs right now? I think there is a conflict, but the conflict is with ourselves. (1:01:54) There are small cadres of legacy efforts that are desperately holding on to the last remnants of this topic. And there are several reasons for it, I believe. I think one of them is because there is a huge liability issue here. You have several liability issues. One is you have somebody, for example, who, how do we deal with the people that reported something a couple of decades ago, lost their flight status, was put on two, some sort of psychological evaluation, lost a security clearance, maybe eventually lost their job, (1:02:28) lost their marriage, and that was homeless on the street, all for doing what they were supposed to do. Right? So that is a huge liability. We destroyed people's lives for them to do the right thing. The other issue is, let's say you have company X competing with company Y, and it turns out that company X was given potentially an unfair advantage, given access to technology or material. (1:02:50) That led that company then to have revolutionary breakthroughs while the other company, company, Y didn't have that advantage on bankruptcy, unfair competition. So there's some real legitimate concerns here. This is not just about telling us the truth, and everybody is going to be happy in the hunky-dory. (1:03:11) No, no, no, there's been 70 years of cover above this. And there's people who should have told senior leaders in government what was going on and didn't. People who were authorized to know, who were entitled to know, and they weren't. You now have President Obama coming out saying that there are things in our skies. (1:03:34) It's true, and we don't know what it is, right? Well, what happened to the people that should have been briefing him when he was president? Why did he have to wait till he left his presidency? There's something inherently wrong with that. That's not the way our country is set up. And so that's my issue. (1:03:50) And yes, there is a guidance use work over it because that lead lead something different. But there is an internal struggle going on right now in the US government. I know that's probably not what the question meant. Wondering more if there's some sort of struggle we have with UAP, not to my knowledge, but there is definitely conflict right now going on within the US government for sure. (1:04:12) You've often inferred that because of NDAs and security oaths, there are things you wish you could talk about. So what I'd like to know is in what ways have those unspoken things you know changed you? Oh my gosh. It's in one way it's changed me profoundly. It's changed me my outlook on things, on life, on the universe. (1:04:39) But in other ways, you know, the core person of who I am has never changed. It's I've always been, I've always been Louis Ando for better for us. So it's changed my outlook on things at times, but it hasn't changed me. How about this? It's changed my spirit but not my soul. I like that. (1:05:03) I like that. In your opinion, do you believe there is a program? Or a plan of propaganda in action right now to drip feed, soft disclose the truth of the UFO mystery to the public? I think that may be going on. I also think there is an effort to try to continue to cover it up. And the problem is they're not doing a really good job of it and they're rather sloppy. (1:05:31) The way they're going about doing it is, is really quite, I hate to say the word pathetic, but it's pathetic. I have the Chief Public Affairs Office at the Pentagon who is a forebord colonel in none other than psychological operations, writing a paper that's been published on how you cannot separate public affairs responsibilities with denial of deception and propaganda. (1:05:57) You know, Houston, we got a real problem on our hands because you're not allowed to deceive the American people. You're not allowed to conduct propaganda and information operations on the American citizen, especially as a defense organization. There are things called Posse Comotata's. There's laws that are put there involving US persons and involving US persons and things in psychological operations. (1:06:18) You can do. And you know, these are the same forces that are trying to keep me quiet. These are the same forces I'd like to pretend that I had nothing to do with A-Tip and all that nonsense. And you know, I don't need to help them date their own whole. They're doing a pretty fine job right now, digging their own holes. (1:06:34) I'm just going to let them keep digging. You know, those to me are the real problems, those type of individuals who have forgotten their oath to the American people and instead use their positions rather than for responsibility, use their position for privilege. You know, don't look now, but you're the enemy. (1:06:55) We swore to go against. You know, that they are going against a very institution and people that put them in power in the first place and I think that's problem. As you have stated, disclosure has happened. We have confirmation that UAPs are real. What in your opinion is coming next? I mean, can we expect to see what can we expect to see happen in the near future based on what you know that you're unable to speak of? Well, you know, if I was a betting man, hinted. (1:07:33) You know, I think at some point not too distant future people who have been associated with this effort may be coming out of the shadows. That should be an interesting curveball for the government for sure, wouldn't it? Oh, of course. Of course it would be exciting too. At the end of the second season of Unidentified Inside America's UFO investigation, the narrative to me and others I've spoken with really shifted from establishing UFOs as a real physical manifestation to hinting at the possibility that the abduction phenomenon might be a real (1:08:09) world issue as well in your opinion. Could the ramifications of such a disturbing reality be one of the main reasons that full disclosure may not occur anytime soon or maybe even ever? No, it's ever some long time. I don't believe in the notion of forever. You know, it's a concept that doesn't make sense when it comes to pursue the truth. (1:08:39) I do think that in this television show we had to be objective and we had to provide all hypothesis for the audience. So again, our promise to the audience was always to be fair and mice and present the data. Notice in there that I never subscribed to any of the theories that would be presented or did I discredit them or did I endorse that wasn't my place. (1:09:02) I was just presented to the audience for you, the audience to make a determination if it's relevant. It's just another piece of data. Do I think it's all mass hysteria? No, I don't think it's mass hysteria. Do I think there's validity in people's experiences? Yes, but again, we're going down the rabbit hole where we can't quantify and qualify that data. (1:09:20) So, you know, it's very interesting, but I don't know ultimately how useful it is in the overall calculus because everybody's experience is different and everybody, the way some people are related, oh, they come in peace and this is wonderful. Others are scared out of their mind, came to my room and it took me somewhere. (1:09:38) It came at me and assaulted me. So for every one of those stories of peace, love and happiness, there's terror, shock and fear. So, we have to be careful with that. Just because my experience at a rock concert may be different than your experience, right? And we could be at the exact same rock concert and perceive it completely different. (1:10:02) You know, whereas, you know, I might love the music, but you're wearing your plugs, right? So I mean, if you're close to the speakers, you're got eight zero plugs. Yeah, right? Or bad things happen, exactly. Great analogy. So, you know, I want to be careful not to be presumptuous. I think that people's experiences are important, but at the end of the day, don't get mad at the scientists if they can't, if they can't include it in a meaningful way. (1:10:38) They're not trying to ignore you. They're just simply, there's not a way right now to really be able to measure that data in a way that is consumable while the scientific community. After all this time and given all the things you've learned, including the things that you're unable to speak of, can you tell me in your opinion, what is the more likely source of the intelligence behind the UAPs? Where would you place your bets? You know, Christina, I think it's too early to place that bet. (1:11:14) I think all options still have to be on the table. You know, it's too early. It's too early. You know, it's, the problem is if I offer my opinion, it could change tomorrow. And then what could have been done to offer that opinion because tomorrow, now I have more information and more data and I have a new opinion, right? So for me to provide my opinion right now, it's premature. (1:11:40) Do I have an opinion? Of course, I got an opinion. I'm just a little, of course, I got an opinion. But that opinion may not necessarily be relevant. It might, it might even be hurtful by presenting it prematurely. And so again, this is not about what Lou Elisando thinks. This is about what data Lou Elisando can help provide to the public for them to figure out what they think. (1:12:05) And what's next for you, Mr. Lou Elisando? Can we look forward to from your ongoing research and efforts for UFO truly? Well, what's next is I'm going to go upstairs. I'm going to pour myself a, a, a, a, a nice glass of, of cold beer. And I'm trying, I'm going to try to forget about UFOs for just a very little while. (1:12:27) And then tomorrow, I'll be back in the saddle at it again. But I'm sure that's not what you actually meant. So let me see if I can answer your question a little bit more accurately. Um, Lou Elisando is ongoing anywhere. Lou Elisando is planning with his colleagues and friends a, a meaningful way to continue this conversation and take it into fourth gear. (1:12:51) So, so there you have it folks. I'm, I'm, I'm not abandoning the cause. In fact, we are very well into third gear. And, and as it starts, as that submarine begins to rise to the surface, you know, it's, you, you, you will see the results of, of, of that effort, um, by, by my colleagues and myself. (1:13:12) Um, and I think it's going to, you know, I, I, I personally think we're in a new renaissance. I think we're in a new golden age of discovery. And, and, and the conversation has happened and, and our government has acknowledged it. So, you know, take a few moments to, to sit back and, and, and, and look at the view because, you know, we've all been doing a hell of a lot of climbing the last three years to get to where we are. (1:13:36) So, you know, um, I appreciate everybody still looking up towards the top of the mountain. Uh, we still got a long way to go. But the view is pretty good for where we sit. Uh, we, we've, we've done a lot together collectively. So, Lou, I want to say thank you so much again for doing this extra little segment. (1:13:55) You know, we're going to be definitely praying for you to have a great diagnosis to your kidneys. We love you so much. And on, on behalf of everyone that watches this, we're all saying thank you to you. Well, Christina, thank you. And, and the profound honor and privilege of mine. I mean, that's sincerely, uh, I feel great. (1:14:14) Please don't feel bad about me. My last, my last, uh, visit to the docs was, was very, very positive. Um, you know, and look, at the end of the day, life is life, you know, things are going to happen. I've been in bad situations before. I'm going to be in bad situations again. It's just what life is. (1:14:31) And it's, you know, what defines you is not, is not necessarily the situation you're in. It's, it's how you come out the other side and how you view those situations. Um, you know, I'll make one last quick analogy for you that I've, I've often shared with my daughters. Um, you know, there was this, here's a story, my father used to tell me, and I'm going to share it with you. (1:14:55) And I may, I may have already shared it with you, but you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to indulge you for a moment. I'm going to share it again. Um, there was this wonderful artist and, um, he had spent two years on this masterpiece. And the whole town, uh, knew he had been working tirelessly on this masterpiece every day and day out. (1:15:13) And the day finally comes for him to, to reveal this work of art that he's been working on for so very long. And so everybody shows up that even to the art gallery and there in the middle of the art gallery is this object covered with a, with a, like a drape of blanket. And so he rips off the blanket and everybody starts cheering. (1:15:33) It's a beautiful statue there of marble. I mean, like statue of David, just absolutely perfect pristine proportions are perfect. Gorgeous, high polished stone, right? And one of the, the, the individuals that are attending this looks over at the, in the corner of the room and, and the artist is crying. (1:15:52) And so he goes over to the artist and he says, you know, this is, uh, Don Pablo, this is, fantastic. What a beautiful work of art. Are you, are those tears of joy? And he said, no, you've completely missed the work of art. He said, you see all the ashes and, and, and the chips of stone that, that are, that are mixed with blood at the bottom of that statue. (1:16:16) You see, yeah, so that's the work of art. That's the sacrifice. What you see behind that statue, that's what's left behind. As a result of the sacrifice, but the true work of art is not the statue. It's what it took to make the statue. It's all those little chips and, and, and, and, and chunks at the bottom of the statue that went into, to, to creating that statue. (1:16:43) And, um, you know, for me, that means a lot because I, I think, I think we're all statues. We're all works of art. And we are all products of, of, of the, the bumps and the bruises and the, and the constant shipping that we have to endure as a human being as, as a species. And, you know, that's a good thing. (1:17:01) And, and that's really what defines, not waking up in the morning and, you know, looking up how beautiful I am, because I'm not. What, what, what defines us is the struggle that we had to endure to get here and still keep our humanity. Still, still keep that part of us that's, that's human and, and that can forgive and that can love, right? Despite the hammering in the chiseling day in and day out that we all have to endure. (1:17:29) So, I'll, I'll leave you with that move. Thank you so much, Lou. My pleasure, Christina. Thank you for everything and thank you to your Patreon audience and everybody else out there in the internet universe. And let's, let's do this again.