n this Episode of Mysteries with a History, we look into the theory that some UFOs may in fact be biological in nature, possibly coming into our reality from another dimension.

The recent Jellyfish UFO footage from Iraq is by no means unique, and resides among a plethora of other videos and testimonies concerning biological UFOs.

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Today, we will look into the theory that some UFOs may in fact be biological in nature, possibly coming into our reality from another dimension. The recent jellyfish UFO footage from Iraq is by no sense in means of unique, and it resides among a plethora of other videos and testimonies concerning biological UFOs. (00:34) Hello and welcome to this episode of Mysteries with a History. We will be taken on a wild ride into the unknown, the strange, and the mysterious. Like you, I have questions, and like you, I want answers. And with each episode together, we will peel away the layers to look for the truth. So I have to start out by saying that I did notice an... (00:52) reading through my social media comments for all of the requests for for me to cover the Miami Mall Police event where there were allegations of giant aliens and of course, also the jellyfish video. And here's the thing. Aside from mentioning them in episodes of Weekly Strange News, I got very wary and pretty cautious in devoting entire show episodes to that topic. (01:20) Because for stuff like this, I do prefer to observe as more information becomes available. Because let's face it, like none of this is smoking gun evidence of anything. But we can try to look for corroborating evidence of these kinds of instances in other parts of the world at different points in time. (01:40) And I came across some really interesting things. So let me bring in my co-host, Jimmy Church of Fade to Black Radio. Jimmy, happy Thursday. Happy Thursday. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Now, here. Hello, everyone. How you doing? Great show. You just answered my question, and I think you did that on purpose because you knew I was going to. (02:07) So I don't have to ask. where you got the idea for today's show. Yeah, this is blowing up in social media, and I agree with you. I've been getting the same prompts and questions and emails and texts. You know, what do I think? And I'm just going to leave it right there for now. But historically, we've got a lot of things that point at stuff in this direction. (02:38) So we're going to go through all of that today. You just did your disclaimer. I'm going to do my disclaimer, too. That this show and my comments... uh, in no way endorses disproves proves anything that is out there in, in social media right now. I don't want to make, uh, those, I don't want people to make those connections for me. (03:05) Jimmy says, or Jimmy said, because I don't know. I don't know the, the jellyfish video. Uh, I'll just make this comment to me. When I look at it, it doesn't change anything. dimension or view in the 3d space. Right. It's, it's like it, it, it moves with the, the camera and, And you don't see the back. (03:36) It doesn't change dimension in the 3D landscape. To me, from what I've seen, it's very fuzzy. But it just seems like it's, you know what I mean? It's with the camera. So I don't know. I don't know. And I do want to see this footage of it allegedly going in and out of the water. Because that... (03:58) would change this discussion completely and change it for me too as well. So that being said, let's go. Let's go. Where do you want to start? Well, I have some really interesting videos as well, and I'm excited to share. But first, before we even get into it, I have a poll up on YouTube right now if you are watching this live. (04:19) And we already have 128 votes. That's really awesome. And the question here is, what do you think the jellyfish UFO is? 25 so far say it's extraterrestrial biological entity. 37% say entity tech from another dimension. 5% say gin, paranormal, supernatural. And 33% say balloons, trash, drone, man-made. (04:43) That poll will be up until the very end of the show. So if you... Think you might have an answer. Just click up one of those and we will read the results at the very end. So I think a great place to start, Jimmy, is actually going to as far back as we can in history. on where maybe alleged jellyfish UFOs have been mentioned or depicted. (05:07) And I came across this and I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is almost a little too interesting. So I want to share my screen here of this image. And I'm going to let you point it out. I'm going to see if you can see what I'm seeing. So here's the image and I'll give you some details. (05:23) But if I zoom in just a touch, what are we seeing right here? This is on both sides. It's on both sides. There's an orange one, too, on the left as well. This is a very famous painting. And a lot of ufologists, ancient alien theorists, including myself, have looked at this image for a long time and used this to support... (05:51) the idea that something was strange in the skies back then. This image, the artist is unknown. It's about a thousand years old. Okay. So it dates back to around the 11th century. It's on a wall of the, are you ready? I'm glad you said it and not me. Cause I even put little hyphens on it. It's a tough one. (06:21) And it's a cathedral in Eurasian, Georgia. And it appears to show something flying in the skies in the background. Now, let me say this. Right now, we are discussing... jellyfish-type stuff throughout history. I don't see a jellyfish in the jellyfish video. It's been called a jellyfish video, and so therefore we are tying that name to it. (07:01) This looks like jellyfish to me in this painting. Undoubtedly, it looks like flying saucers with tentacles in the background. I don't see what's in this image, which is amazing. I don't see this in the, I'm going to go air quotes, jellyfish video. There's nothing jellyfish-like in this. (07:23) in the jellyfish video. For me. For me. I'm just speaking for me. But can I point out one thing in this painting? Much has been said about the guy pointing to the sky in the background. That dude right there. Okay? And he looks like he's pointing at the orange jellyfish over on the other side, right? Maybe... (07:51) Maybe, maybe, but he might be pointing at Jesus too as well. So to me, he looks like he's looking forward, not behind. But a lot has been made of that. You know, there's a guy there pointing at the jellyfish or is he pointing at Jesus? I don't know. The painting itself, like I said, unknown artist, but the painting is fascinating. (08:17) What is it that they were seeing in the sky that was so important a thousand years ago that looked like that? I'm not so sure. I don't know. It's a fascinating painting. It is, and it's very difficult when you are dealing with artists and their own interpretations of things that are going on, especially when a painting was created 50 years, 100 years, 1,000 years later. (08:42) You see what I'm saying? You can only use your imagination and maybe the information from books in order to create an art piece, especially during this time frame when it was created, believed to be what, in 1100? Is that correct-ish? Yeah. Something like that. Well, here's the thing. That's where it gets very hard. (09:00) So could this in this particular case with this particular painting, could this unknown artist have said, you know what? I feel like adding my artistic credentials here and put in some little jellies here, put some little jellies there. Or did he come across some scripture, some writing, something that isn't made present now to where he said this is appropriate for this painting? Yes, is my short answer to that. (09:30) Here... This, okay. I have been to the aquarium up in Monterey, the Monterey Bay Aquarium. And there they have the most amazing jellyfish display there. Multiple tanks. I don't know, there's probably a dozen. So the first tank you come up to is about this big, teeny tiny jellyfish, and they're all swimming together. (10:02) It's pretty cool how they have it lit up in the next tank. They're a little bigger, a little bigger. The last tank is just a giant jellyfish. And it's fascinating. And you look at the – I've been bitten by jellyfish many times, by the way. And so I have a certain picture in my mind that comes from the Monterey Bay Aquarium. (10:27) And I've got to say, what I see in this painting right here resembles that. It does. It does. There's a connection. So here we can use the word jellyfish, I think, correctly in a historical context. I think that something that looks like a jellyfish is certainly depicted here. And this is a really great place to start. (10:49) But then we have to go back to maybe one of the first times the reference of a UFO jellyfish actually came out. And I have a little snippet of a newspaper clipping from the year 1954 where they mention a UFO jellyfish. Crazy. I know. So I want to pull this up. Take its sweet little time. There it is. And it says here. (11:16) Flying Jellyfish Tailed Plane Crewman Report. And this was published Thursday, July 1st, 1954. And Jimmy, could you do the honors? Because you have that amazing reading voice to read just this little piece right here. I do. I have the same clip over here on this screen, too, as well. It's absolutely fascinating. (11:40) London, July 1st. The crew of a British airliner reported the plane was followed last night for 80 miles by seven weird flying black objects near Goose Bay. It's B.A. Labrador. Captain James Howard, pilot of the New York to London airliner, Said the mysterious escort vanished when a U.S. Air Force fighter plane came up to investigate. (12:09) The British Overseas Airways Corporation, otherwise known as the BOAC, British Airways, Stratocruiser was at 19,000 feet, about 150 miles southwest of Goose Bay, when the objects appeared. They flashed into sight and suddenly and obviously were not aircraft as we know them, Captain Howard said. All appeared black and I will swear they were solid. (12:33) They might have been five miles away. They stayed with us for 18 minutes. Quote, there was a big central object which appeared to keep changing shape. Flying jellyfish, we dubbed it. Quote, sometimes it was wedge-shaped, which is interesting. Sometimes like a dumbbell, again interesting. Sometimes like a sphere with tail-like projections. (12:59) The six smaller objects dodged about either in front or behind. All 10 members of the crew agreed with his description, as did those of the 51 passengers who were awake at the time of the sighting. Whoa, right? And if we look at the timing of this, World War II had just ended. Many fighter pilots saw the Foo Fighters. (13:26) And Project Blue Book had just started in 1952 and it ended in 1969. This is a really interesting time frame for this report to have come out when all of this is going on. Don't you think? I do. I do. It also reminds me of the cover story. of the boston album but that's another story that's uh that's another yeah it's like a ufo with tentacles uh flying saucer with tentacles yeah very very very interesting and uh we i know that you were probably um Doing what I was doing, which is imagining Captain Howard about to say mothership. (14:11) Because that's the way he's describing it, right? There was one large central ship with these six other craft darting around it. A very, very crazy explanation. And then, of course, the Air Force shows up with a fighter jet. Disappears. Interdimensional. could be and this is where a lot of this conversation is about to go and i think this is a flawless example of the ufo jellyfish being nothing new it has been i think this is one of the first reports being in 1954 it maybe it could have gone further back and it was never actually reported but it goes to show that it's the same term as uap people say oh it came out in 2020 2021 2022 whatever (15:00) But to my knowledge, John Greenwald Jr. from the Black Bolt said, no, it's been going on since the 50s or 60s. That's when the term was first used or the acronym. But it's being rehashed and saying, oh, well, look at this new term. But in reality, is it anything new? Is any of the information that we have come across or will come across in the future be actual new information? Yeah, and again, it's the word. (15:27) It's the word that we are using. We don't have a better word to use here, but we know what a jellyfish looks like. And if we take this into another direction, like Greenwald and many others have done, including yourself, Christina, um and we look into the work of those uh you know well jacques valet certainly uh spoke about this quite a bit but others too as well it's not the first it didn't start with jacques valet jacques valet uh pushed this into popular culture of course and has been stressing this aspect of things for a (16:14) what something is in an interdimensional aspect and something that is, what's the word I want to use, interlocked with our own world, something that is existing right alongside of us, but we're just not in the right frequency, right? That's such a great question. Yeah, yeah. How do we know what is cruising around out there and what they look like? So that's it. (16:44) Again, jellyfish is a great word to use. I don't see a jellyfish in the jellyfish video, though. I see other things. I just don't see what is in that painting of Jesus. I want to hold on to that thought just for a moment, Jimmy, of you mentioning how would we be able to understand or even rationalize if it was interdimensional. (17:08) But let's back it up just for a second. When we have looked through history, people attempt to describe something unknown to them by comparing it to other things. And an example of this is Christopher Columbus. He wrote in his journal that he saw a candlelight going in and out of the water. Today, we would define that as maybe an orb or some kind of UFO. (17:29) But to Christopher Columbus in the 1400s, he said, OK, what does this look like to me at this point in time? Kind of like a candlelight. You know what that'll do? And he wrote that bad boy down. Now, if we were to think about this in an interdimensional, interdimensional aspect. This is where it gets really confusing or difficult to attempt and explain this, because maybe at this point in time, we don't have the proper vocabulary to attempt and express the things that we are experiencing or witnessing. (17:59) Or maybe for those that classify or say that they have received downloads by entities that could potentially be interdimensionals as well. Language is a huge barrier. While people can understand it and we have so many different mediums to communicate, language is so specific and it places you in a box, more so than maybe dreams or maybe telepathy, right, where you can bring in colors, smells, sounds, feelings. (18:28) But words, that's all you have is words. And then the interpreter has to attempt and understand the exact thing that you went through and attempt to engulf themselves in the same environment that you went through during your experience. And that's where it gets very difficult because if they've never experienced that before, it's foreign to them. (18:49) A hundred percent. I have often described a sighting that I had with a large group of people in the sky as the Zoro Zee. Now, the reason why I describe it that way, well, one, I don't have another way to put it, but the Zorro Z that Zorro made with his sword, right? That's what I saw in the sky was this object that went backwards, but like that... (19:27) So I call it the Zorro Z. Now, let's say in a historical context, 100 years from now, that quote for me is lingering out there. Jimmy Church's Zorro Z UFO. Now, is it a craft shaped like a Z? Right? How is it going to be interpreted? It's the only way that I had to describe it. So you go back historically when we're talking about angels and demons and ghosts and fairies and gremlins and whatever. (20:04) and gray aliens or whatever it is. Those were the words used during that time, like with Christopher Columbus. He didn't have another way of describing it. And maybe today somebody would say something which is also ancient sounding. It looked like a flashlight under the water. Right? Well, okay. But what were they actually seeing? They don't have another way to put it and to say it that way. (20:38) It sounds just as ancient as candlelight, right? Flashlight. But it was... What if factually we find out that it was an interdimensional energy plasma source that popped into this? But it was described as looking like a flashlight or a candlelight or whatever. So, yeah, absolutely. Timing is everything with this. (21:09) Like my Zorro Zee. It is. And even when Jacques Vallée first attempted to tell the world, based off of his research, that maybe not all these UFOs that we are seeing in our environment are extraterrestrial, referring to another planet, but in our universe, maybe they could be from an alternate reality. (21:32) or a parallel universe or a different dimension altogether. And when he first mentioned this, I believe it was like, what, in the 80s, maybe early 90s, people were saying, Vala, you're out of your absolute mind. What are you talking about? All UFOs are ET. They are extraterrestrial, and that is it. But now, in present day, in 2024, People are becoming more open-minded to that possibility. (21:56) Those that have had experiences are saying, what I encountered wasn't ET per se, but it was more interdimensional. I was interacting with an energy being or whatever it may be. There are so many different contact key stories. You can pick and choose which ones you like and want to listen to. But what I'm getting at here is While Valet wasn't the first to bring this up, he was one of the first to popularize it. (22:19) And then you have J. Allen Hynek after years of retiring, not really retiring from Project Blue Book, but leaving it after it closed down due to the Condon report. He says here, I have to come to support less and less the idea that UFOs are nuts and bolts spacecraft from other worlds. There are just too many things that go against that theory. (22:42) To me, it seems ridiculous. that a technologically advanced race would travel great distances to be relatively stupid things like stop cars, collect soil samples, and frighten people. I think we must begin to re-examine the evidence. We must look closer to home for the answer. I think we should consider that UFOs come from other dimensions, a parallel reality, a universe that exists in the same place as ours, but at a different frequency, so to speak. (23:12) And this is even in today in 2024, it's mind blowing. It really is. And for those listening to this or watching this, if you're enjoying the show, hit that like button down below. Let's get to 300 likes right now. We have 558 people watching this live. So if you are enjoying it, only if, of course, hit that like button right down below. (23:32) But Jimmy, two things. One, I'm hearing feedback and I just fixed my microphone. I don't know if it's on your end, but I'm going to maybe say check it out. You sound solid. Oh man, I'm hearing it on my side and I'm seeing it in the live chat, but okay. If you say it's good, it's good. (23:50) But my second thing is, when you first heard this information come from Hynek saying, it might be interdimensional, it might be from a different dimension, what was going through your mind during that time frame? Yeah, he... Okay, I've got another quote from Hynek that I love. Now, keep this image up here of Jacques and J. Allen Hynek because they did a couple of things together. (24:22) They collaborated together. They had a lot of conversations about this subject together. And I pulled this quote from one of their conversations about this subject. And Valet is asking him a question about the interdimensional aspect of everything. And this is Hynek's answer, quote, There could be other universe with different quantum rules or vibration rates if you want. (24:50) Our own space-time continuum could be a cross-section through a universe with many more dimensions. Right now, through this room, TV pictures are passing, yet they're here. right the tv signals are going through the room but the tv signals are in the room at the same time you have to have a transducer to see them namely a tv set Well, in the same sense, there may be interlocking universes right here. (25:24) We have this idea of space. We always think of another universe being someplace else. It may not. Maybe it's right here, end quote. And that's a heavy, heavy statement coming from Hynek. And it resonates with me and others because we talk about this subject a lot, Christina. that we, us, you and I, like right now we're looking at each other on a screen through the internet and everybody else is seeing us. (25:58) That's at a certain frame rate and a certain frequency. That gets altered, we disappear, right? So we have to be spot on, but we see each other and we can talk and we can hear, right? Okay. It's the same thing with the real world. And our vision and the frequency of light in that spectrum that we can see, what we can hear are certain frequency ranges, right? But anything outside of those ranges simply disappears. (26:30) It's gone. Can't see it. So who is to say that there isn't, to our left and to our right, infinite parallel worlds operating at the same time? Just off. Just another frequency off to the left or to the right. And that there may be an existence out there that is just as real, just as three-dimensional as you and I. And this desk that is sitting in front of me. (27:01) And this hot cup of coffee. Exactly. And the way that Hynek put it, it was frightening. And other authors and researchers have spoken about this. Hynek refers to TV signals. Right? Okay. Because that's in that time period. TV signals. Okay. Today, what about Wi-Fi? That's a great example. What's carrying on Wi-Fi right now? Well, how about a movie? How about FaceTime? How about, right? But you can't see it. (27:46) You need to have something receive it. And that's the case, right? You have to have eyeballs and you have to see in that certain frequency range. And right now, Wi-Fi is beaming all over the place. It's coming from your neighbor's house, right? But you can't see or read any of that. You need to have a transducer, something in between to receive it and to see it. (28:13) And that may be the case with so much, supernatural and paranormal and extraterrestrial phenomena that we see today. That was a beautiful way of putting it, Jimmy. Next, I want to display some videos that might be somewhat similar to the UFO jellyfish. I'm going to share my screen here. I have several. (28:38) We're going to play this first one. And what sucks actually is that there is very little information about these videos. But this particular one was shot in Mexico in 2022. My little note right there. Okay. Okay. there's no audio but if we're looking at this you see this object coming into the middle of the screen and in a sense it does look like a deflated balloon it really does now you see these three dogs that are just going hysterical over this thing that's floating over but it's the side profile that i find really compelling at least in my opinion here where i'm like (29:19) I don't know what that is. Could it be a deflated balloon? It's a high possibility. But it was significant enough for this anonymous person to post this online. And I got this video from Twitter, now known as The X. But this one, I just thought it was worthy of sharing. Now, Jimmy, you seeing this, what are your thoughts on it? I remember when this video came out, and it's interesting. (29:55) It is. It is. It's fun to look at. It's fun to watch. We could throw a million theories on the table. What I do find interesting as we watch it approach here, this thing takes a turn. Okay? Right? It just goes hurt, and the dogs show up, and it goes in the other direction. Would that be... It's very consistent, too. (30:20) Would that be wind causing that change in direction? I would think that it would maybe go backwards. I don't know. But it seems very consistent. Now, right here is when you get that profile shot. Keep it going. Keep it going. All right there. And now it's looking not like a deflated balloon, but Like a spirit. (30:45) You know, like a witch. All we need is a broomstick. Man, that thing goes to a whole other level. I love this video. Yeah, I've seen it many, many, many, many, many times. I can't explain this one. It's a good video. Now, it could be a drone with a piece of toilet paper hanging off the top of it. (31:03) Maybe it's somebody messing with the dogs. It could be that. You know, I don't know. I don't know. But if we just take it at face value, that is an unknown object cruising around. I've seen this video so many times. Go ahead and roll it. This one is in Poland, and it was filmed in 2020. This was called, I think at the time, they were calling this a witch on a broomstick. (31:31) Hence my joke about the last one. This is a great video. There's a lot of videos like this out there that have been going around for dozens of years that kind of shows a human-shaped kind of thing with a cape coming off of it. That's what this kind of reminds me of here. I don't know. Now, also, this is a little bit like the jellyfish video. (32:12) Now, looking at this, would you call this a jellyfish? No, but I would say that this looks similar to the air quote jellyfish video. I would definitely place it in the same category of jellyfish UFO type. But no, you're not seeing tentacles. It does kind of look like a kite in some ways. But you see these very odd ridges on it. (32:34) Could it have been like a torn up kite? High possibility. But it is something that it's odd looking. And there are no answers to these videos that I'm showing to you so far. Stop right there. There is a pointy hat, though. There's a pointy hat. It looks like a pointy hat to me. Yeah, you see that? Yeah. (33:00) Wizard of Oz. I love this video. It's a great video. And I have another video to share, but before we do that, hit that like button right down below. So while you're doing that, let me just back up one more to this one. This one has no information whatsoever, but it's bizarre. That's the jellyfish video. (33:21) Oh, I knew that. My bad. Now, see, if you notice, okay, roll the jellyfish video again. That object does not move in dimension. And if you look at the space between the two things sticking down at the bottom, that never closes. That's absolutely... So either it's turning with the camera... But it doesn't change. (33:52) It stays right exactly the same. It does seem to go translucent just for a moment. But what's really unique about this one... No, of course. Of course it could be. And I just want to mention this because I know I sounded really stupid just a second ago. I got to save myself here. But when we're looking at this item, this object, to me, it kind of looks like coral in some ways. (34:18) It does have this organic feel to it. You're not seeing any strong edges on this. You are seeing tentacles more so than the other videos that I have demonstrated so far. And it's just one that... I definitely would say does not fit in the category of nuts and bolts. Now, what is this item? That's where the curiosity lies. (34:39) And we don't have that information, at least not yet. There's rumors surrounding this video. But we haven't had any concrete answers by anyone to say it's definitely this. Do you see what I'm saying here? But when we're looking at this, I want to just put it on replay. Hold on. I keep pressing. (34:58) There we go. Now I'll just keep playing over and over again. But what's interesting about this is that this looks like it could come out of an HP Lovecraft novel, a Guardian or kind of like Cthulhu. When I first saw it, that is what came to mind with Cthulhu being my number one guess. And maybe it's the video that's showing this kind of like brightness and darkness aspect that we're seeing here. (35:31) I just, in some respects, I am lost for words, but we also have to remember that this is in Iraq, and I wonder if Muslims would interpret this to be a jinn. That's a big question I have. Yeah, jinn, we'll circle back to that. It kind of fits in the classic definition of jinn only because it was invisible, right? Now, there are other reports. (35:59) We've lost Christina, so it's just me. You know, I've read, I'm trying to stay on top of this. I've read some of the recent stuff that has surfaced with the people that were involved with this video and the eyewitnesses, and that they definitely said this was not seen by anybody. It was only picked up by this one camera. (36:26) It was not visible with the naked eye, and it was not visible with night vision. So that, if you couldn't see this, night vision right there immediately scratches off something physical. Night vision, I don't care what's in the sky. It doesn't matter. You are going to see it. And if it's not there... (36:52) then night vision is not, you understand what I'm saying? If it isn't there. So if you take that out of the play, it fits into the classic definition of vision, an invisible entity. But how was it picked up by this with thermal imaging? So now I've also read that the reason why it changes color, appears to change color, is because the thermal temperature was being adjusted on the camera itself. (37:26) That this object, whatever it is, is not changing. It is the settings on the camera and the thermal imaging are being adjusted. That's what that is. But I don't know. I don't know. My thing is, as I look at it, especially playing over and over here, it never changes its three-dimensional position. (37:52) It doesn't. It stays absolutely perfect. It doesn't change at all. Especially when we're comparing it to the other videos that we just watched. For instance, the one in Mexico, we were able to see its front profile and its side profile. The one in Poland, you were able to see the side and the back. (38:15) And then in this one, you're right. We only see one aspect to this. And it does raise a lot of questions here. But this is something that is being talked about significantly. And I'm really glad that we have this opportunity today, Jimmy, to talk about other cases from around the world that share similar characteristics. (38:36) There isn't just this one video. This isn't anything particularly unique that should be like, oh my god, this is the best thing on the planet Earth. No, because there have been other things similar to this, but what you bring up of only seeing one side to it, it is, now that you mentioned it, it is rather odd. (38:54) It is. It just, it doesn't change. I mean, at all, at all, not, not, not, and you would think, and no matter what, airplane, balloon, drone, anything in the helicopter, anything in the sky, anything in the sky, doesn't matter, kite, It doesn't matter, right? Floating debris. It moves. Something changes. (39:20) And this is completely static. It's completely static. But maybe that's what interdimensional beings had the capability of doing. Staying perfectly still. There's also the answer, Jimmy, that it could be bird fecal matter. And could that be a possibility in your opinion? Uh, you mean something on the lens of the camera or something? Yeah. (39:48) Yeah. It could be, could be, could be, you know, it looks like a floaty in your eye. I've never had those. Thank goodness. I, they, no, I can't relate to that. I'm having one right now. So if we go, you can go ahead and pull this down. Um, the, uh, The reference is, let's go back to the interdimensional aspect of this, because my opinion has changed and I reserve the right to change my mind and change my opinion because I'm learning all the time. (40:26) I used to argue. with other UFO researchers about the ETH. And I had grown up with the idea of little green men in a metal flying saucer cruising around, you know, the universe and our solar system. You know, flying around in a metal ship of some kind. I grew up with the Jetsons. So with that, I often wondered, how are they getting here? That's a long time to spend in a spaceship. (41:03) And why don't we have these perfect photographs of these craft? But I have evolved. The ideas behind the interdimensional aspect of the phenomenon goes way back. So let's look at a couple of examples here. In July 1947, we know about Roswell. We also know about Kenneth Arnold and what happened up in Tacoma, Washington, okay? July 1947 was a big year, right? It was a big year. (41:39) But Independence Day, July 4th, right, which is on or around the date of the Roswell crash that nobody knew about until July 8th, when the Roswell Daily Record printed their story, their headline, right? On July 4th, 1947, occult

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