IT'S COMING - Whistleblowers and New UFO Hearing

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Are we on the brink of UFO disclosure, or is the government still hiding the truth? We're diving into the latest UFO hearings and briefings led by Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna, explosive whistleblower testimonies, and shocking claims from military insiders. I'm your host, Cristina Gomez, for this episode of Mysteries with a History, and today we'll be unpacking what's happening on Capitol Hill, why it matters, and what it could mean for humanity. Hey, Ufologers. Happy Thursday. Jimmy, happy Thursday. How are you? Man, you're so good at that now. You know what? Hello, everybody. That's Christina's joy in life, to see me jump. Yeah, yeah, it's her joy. Look at her face. Look at her face. She is just... So, Cristina, great show. Great idea. I like where this is coming from. You always come up with the best stuff. I can't take credit for this one, Jimmy. Yeah, you can. This one was your idea. No, it was not. It was hers. It was her. Look, I can face you. It was her idea. Oh, I'm not that cool. I can't do that. So, um, today's a big news day though. So we've got an elephant in the room, uh, in that, uh, we got a new Pope, Pope Bob. We did. You look, you look, you look Pope-ish today. Is this... I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you so much. But I just felt like it was the nice day to wear a turtleneck. Yeah, you didn't know that the conclave, it seemed quick, didn't it? It did. I actually learned about it just a few minutes ago. I know, right? And I was surprised because we placed a bet during our show about the Catholic Church and UFOs on how long it would take to appoint a new pope. And I said a few weeks. And you said it's going to be a lot faster than that. And I got to say, you won the bet this time. Well, I just felt that it wasn't time to play around. You know, that was my take, but I didn't, two days, right? I mean, it was just like, yeah, that was tough. Because we always had the smoke watch, right? Everybody out there looking at the smoke, you know, and it just went on and went on. And it was just funny, just like you earlier today, you know, I get, you know, news alert on my phone, Pope Bob from the United States. I was like, what? Wow. Wow. Okay. So anyway, big, big news day today. And we've got a few things that we're going to be covering today. That is also breaking news on the UAP UFO whistleblower front and hearings and everything else. This is a very, very fluid situation. And as we start to dive into this, Cristina, I wanted to ask you, are you surprised and what do you think about... This fast moving government hearings, whistleblower and breaking news on this subject that seems to be happening, you know, by the hour, not by the day. It's pretty crazy, isn't it? It really is. And I think we could say a big thank you to Ana Paulina Luna for pushing this, for making this public, for doing her briefings, for planning a new hearing that's supposed to happen next week. Like she said, the week. Let me share a picture, actually. Right. I know we all like some good visuals, but she had mentioned that she wants to have a committee hearing tomorrow. This upcoming week, here is her timeline. We did get that roundtable, that briefing with the UAP Disclosure Fund on April twenty ninth. There was, as they say, a skiff, but the public knew nothing about it aside from this timeline that we are seeing on screen right here, which Luna did post on her Twitter as well back in April. So we are getting... Finally, I feel like more fast-moving than before. It's hitting the media. But unfortunately, what we're specifically looking at... the briefing that just took place just a few days ago, it didn't hit the news the way that I expected it to. There were some some very interesting statements made, which will be covering a few of those highlights. But overall, it It wasn't as explosive as maybe a hearing. Now, one of the big reasons to that is that this briefing, because there's a big difference between a briefing and a hearing when it comes to Capitol Hill, is a briefing, as it's kind of mentioned here, it's a roundtable. It's just people kind of chatting it up, but they are not saying anything under oath. a hearing, on the other hand, it is under oath. So maybe that was possibly a reason to why it wasn't as big or as explosive as the previous hearings, congressional hearings that we've gotten in the past. But with this upcoming one, which we have currently no real details on it, I am. I'm a little optimistic, but not as optimistic as before. Well, okay, so we've got three representatives pushing for this. We have Anna Luna, of course. We were just talking about her. Tim Burchett, who has been at the center of this for quite a while. There's Tim and Representative Luna right there. And then we have Representative Eric Burleson, and he's a Republican. Not that this is party-centric, but here's the situation with Eric. Eric has really put himself at the center of this, and he's made some pretty amazing comments as of late. And that includes, today we're talking about whistleblowers and hearings. his efforts supporting David Grush. And we will get to all of that. Let's back up for some background, if we can, really quick. I do want to mention the breaking news about the UAP Disclosure Fund, the UAPDF. They announced yesterday they had a hearing The briefing that you were just talking about. Lou Elizondo has resigned from the UAPDF. The UAPDF made the announcement yesterday, by the way, and also UFO activist Matt Ford and Dr. Gary Nolan have also resigned, Cristina. And all of this after the briefing that we just talked about where the UAPDF asked Congress for a million bucks. They did. They asked a billion, I should say, a million dollars. Which is nothing these days. Yeah. They asked him for a billion dollars to hunt for aliens in that May first briefing. But the briefing didn't go too well. We won't get into all of that. But on the heels of that, we've got these three resignations. And this is what the UAPDF, their release said. It says, quote, we thank outgoing board members, Luis Elizondo and Dr. Gary Nolan, and Director of Strategy, Matthew Ford, for helping to build the foundation on which we stand. We wish them the very best, end quote. Now, this is what is interesting here, everybody. Who is the UAPDF? Well, I'm going to pull up a couple of documents here. This is page one. And so this is a list of the members of the UAP Defense Fund. As you can see, Gary Nolan's at the top. And when you go down this list, about half of these names have been guests of mine here on Fade to Black. We've got Avi Loeb and Michio Kaku is here. We've got Jeffrey Kripal. I'm skipping over some of the names, but of course, Christopher Mellon. Tim Golodet, Lou Elizondo, who we just mentioned. I can continue, but let me go on to page two here, too. Well, I mean, you can't forget Alex Dietrich and Ryan Graves, which are also in there as well, which is... yeah yeah yeah yeah and so when you go down um uh julie mossbridge is is listed here uh you've got michael p masters as well and a pretty strong list of most are phds scientists and uh researchers as well as teachers with accreditation. So it's a pretty powerful list, but to have three resign immediately after that briefing, One of them being the director of strategy in Matthew Ford and two board members, Luis Elizondo and Dr. Gary Nolan. Now, before we get into all of, or we will not get into all of that and the reasons for the resignations, but board members to depart immediately after a briefing like that and the director of strategy to resign as well. immediately after that. I don't know if it raises a whole lot of concerns about who the UAPDF is, because if you look at the academics and the way that all of that is structured, it does make a lot of sense because those are very pragmatic, scientific people by and large, and they operate the way that academics operate. Okay. Uh, so, but that is who the UAP defense fund is now, um, as we roll along here and, uh, the scheduled hearing is for, I believe this Monday, right? It said the week of, so it could be any time this week. However, there have been no updates on any government website that it will be official. So we're still kind of in the dark, which is, I would say, a little alarming, a little shocking, to say the least, when you have posted this timeline, but we haven't gotten anything yet. However, when it came to the previous congressional hearings— The details and the information was always just a day or two before the scheduled date. Well, yes, yes, yes, yes. So let me jump in on that point. Eric Burleson, who has been speaking about this, has called next week, and I'm quoting him, UAP week. Now he's calling it UAP week, not UAP day. Right. And with all of his efforts to, and I'll get to this in a second around David Grush, I'll get to the specifics here. It says to me that, I feel it may be more than one hearing, number one. And number two, we may see additional whistleblowers come forward, which is a complicated issue because what is a whistleblower? Well, the definition, the classic definition of whistleblower is this. All right. And now I will say our community, And what we are dealing with when it comes to UFOs and UAPs, we have our own new, newer, new-ish definition of what a whistleblower is. But in a classical sense, let's go with this. A whistleblower is an individual who reports evidence of wrongdoing within an organization. which can be a private or public entity, to appropriate authorities or the public. This wrongdoing typically involves illegal, unethical, or harmful activities that the whistleblower believes should be disclosed to ensure accountability and transparency. It includes reporting financial fraud, exposing unsafe working conditions, revealing environmental damage, and bringing attention to government corruption. Now, where does UFO fall in those categories, Cristina? Is that government corruption? I don't know about environmental damage. Could be. It could fall. Now, it doesn't have to necessarily fall in one of these categories, but typically, all right, whistleblowers fall into these, and that's why you go and, which has been legislated, whistleblower protection. Why? If you're exposing something inside of a corporation, right? It could be an unsafe work environment. It could be leaking nuclear materials into river water, whatever it may be. Financial fraud, executives or others inside of a company. It could be public or private that are misusing funds or what have you when it comes to financial fraud. government contracts or whatever that may be. Well, in that case, your life is in danger, right? That's a woo, right? And to bring down a corporation or to expose this criminal and ethical behavior, you put yourself in jeopardy, not only for personal reasons, but also the defamation of character, restricting your employment, firing you as well, and everything else that may prohibit you from working with another corporation, basically ruining your life. So that's the Whistleblower Protection Act. And that's what That's why that is in place. How does that work with UFO whistleblowers? Now, we've got a few here. I want to before I hand this back over to Cristina, I kind of want to back up a little bit historically to talk about some of the. Other whistleblowers that came before. I said OG earlier today to Cristina on the phone. She goes, I don't think you understand what OG means. I said, I do. She goes, oh, really? What? I said, original gangsta. She goes, you look that up. You don't know what that means. And so anyway, but OG, you know, who were the OG original gangsta whistleblowers? And if we back up Cristina, Jesse Marcel, Roswell, right now, think about what he did and came forward, certainly putting himself in jeopardy. Um, would he fall under the classical whistleblower definition? Possibly. But he started to define what a whistleblower is in our UFO community. Now, an Air Force intelligence agent, that's what he did. He headed up security and other things at Roswell Army Airfield back in And then when he stepped out in nineteen eighty and revealed the Roswell crash and everything around it and that cover up, I would say under our new pop culture definition of whistleblower, Jesse Marcel is one. Right. That's a whistleblower. That is somebody that has got a military history, a military record. He's got the photographic evidence of where he worked and how he did it. His pictures were in published newspapers. There he is right there with the wreckage, the weather balloon records of the Roswell crash. And that's Jesse Marcel. So OG whistleblower? Absolutely. And then we have Robert Salas. Robert Salas, Malmstrom Air Force Base, running a missile silo, a commander, when in nineteen sixty seven, a craft appeared over his missile silo complex and shut down ten nuclear Minutemen missiles. And he came forward and reported this for the first time. Does that, yes, I think that meets the definition of our community's version of whistleblower. Robert Salas, OG whistleblower, without question. And I'll say this, I've hung out with Robert, a very, very cool dude, amazing guy. And then we have, of course- Yeah, very cool. He's a very, very nice. Bob Lazar. No, that was me. That was me. I was imitating something from Saturday Night Live. Bob Lazar. Now, Bob Lazar, does he meet the definition of whistleblower? Possibly. Possibly. But what did he bring to the table? Well, he's polarizing for sure. But he introduced the world to Area Fifty-One. And that is a very, very, very, very big deal. Everything else and claims, just like all of the claims of the whistleblowers that we're going to be talking about today, are extraordinary. Okay? Extraordinary. big, big, big claims on the level of Bob Lazar, but unlike the other whistleblowers, and that even goes back to Jesse Marcel and Robert Salas, Bob Lazar brought the world area of Area-Fifty-One make it into the film Independence Day, of which the Air Force and the CIA protested that you can't mention that in the movie because it doesn't exist and it's top secret and everything else. Well, that was because of Bob Lazar. All right. Polarizing figure? Sure. I just mentioned that. Area-Fifty-One, he carries that legacy in his back pocket. So, Bob Lazar, OG whistleblower? Yes. In... In my opinion, he fits that description for sure. But now I want to mention Lou Elizondo in this too as well. Is Lou Elizondo a whistleblower? Some say yes, but I don't think he fits either definition of whistleblower. I think he's more of an advocate. He is pushing for disclosure and pushing for the Department of Defense and the military and the government itself as well as the agencies to reveal what they know about the phenomena, about UFOs and UAP and contact and the reality of that. So that's where I would say Lou falls. I don't think he is a whistleblower in that sense. So with our community, the definition of it, what is a whistleblower? You can use that term very loosely without actually understanding what... uh a whistleblower is okay he hasn't filed for whistleblower protection um he has his ig uh stuff going on but whistleblower not so sure at least the way that I look at it from this side of the table um now uh as we start to move through this um we have we have three whistleblowers right now that are front and center Are we going to see more? Let me just say this. This is off of our agenda, but I met with two attorneys recently that represent whistleblowers, UFO, UAP whistleblowers. One of them I will have on Fade to Black here very soon. And we're working on that now. It's just a timetable thing. It's not a big secret thing or private. But who they represent and stuff, we can't talk about that. That's attorney-client privilege. That's not up to me to push for or reveal. But whistleblowers need a few things. They need a safe space, Christina, to talk, to feel comfortable. It's very expensive to get legal representation in this field and guidance in this field on how to navigate forward through not only the legal system, but Congress and the Department of Defense and, of course, employment and everything else that falls under the Whistleblower Protection Act. But speaking with these attorneys on the subject, It is my understanding, without saying too much, that whistleblowers are reaching out to them. Okay? So, right now, we're talking about three. Okay? There's others. Like I just mentioned, Bob Lazar and Robert Salas and, of course, Jesse Marcel. But we've got three that are front and center right now. And the media is covering this quite heavily. And the first... The first one that falls under several categories of whistleblower is Matthew Brown. And, of course, we have the revelation of immaculate constellations. Now Brown is a former U S national security official who previously served as a policy advisor for the office of the secretary of defense, a technical advisor for the office of the under secretary of defense for intelligence and security, and a program advisor for the department of state. Now, when you vet somebody like this and you look at their CV and you look at their credentials, certainly. Matthew Brown has the work history in the CV to support some of his claims. He says that he stumbled upon an unacknowledged special access program called Immaculate Constellation that collected images and videos of UFO encounters from classified military servers. That was the Immaculate Constellation program. so uh he spoke to several people about this and nobody wanted to talk about it nobody wanted to listen to him a little bit nervous he knows uh that if immaculate consolation and what uh what it was doing and he he wasn't seeking it out he stumbled upon it uh that this was going to be some pretty earth-shaking news to hit into the public. And of course it turned out to be. So he decided to seek whistleblower protection status and submitted written testimony to Congress. What do you think about Matthew Brown and his claims of immaculate constellations? I am just happy that we finally have a name and a face to the Immaculate Constellation. It was really explosive last year. It took the internet by storm and I was like, okay, this is really cool. And then as the days kind of sit and I read it over and over again, from the information from the limited information that we had of just an article before we got the actual uh report after the congressional hearing I was like I we need we need a name we need a face we need someone to be held accountable like who's giving this information it could be false information right Now, it has been mentioned time and time again, especially by Michael Schellenberger and by Jeremy Corbell. They vetted this person. They spoke to them extensively to really understand their background and on if what they were saying, if what he was saying was true. But like now, as of April twenty ninth, just last weekend, a little bit ago. we finally got a name. And I'm like, okay, I feel, I feel a little better. And the immaculate constellation dropped a lot of heavy information, things that The UFO community already knew, but for the general public, it was absolutely shocking. And it's unfortunate that during the hearing in November, when Michael Schellenberger was asked about it, he was like, I can't give his name out. I won't give his name out. Even though he was being pushed by one of the representatives, I believe it was Boggs, who said, Won't you or can't you? And then did the whole like squinty eye thing. So as of just a week or so ago, getting this information, I think is valuable. I think it does add a little more credibility to the Immaculate Constellation and the explosive claims that he made, you know, for instance. when he had publicly spoken on April twenty ninth, it says here, this is absolutely what I did, not what I wanted to do. I am on a personal level giving up the future that I made for myself. And I was going to try to make, you know, for my family as well. I'm proud of what I've accomplished in my time in government. And it's painful to leave the good people there and to know that there really isn't any room for people to act accordingly. According to their conscious. And their constitutional ideals. Now in this case. He is referring to the information. That he kind of leaked. Through the immaculate constellation. That he reported to weaponized. Now it's. We're just getting another one. So over the last, what, two years, we're kind of getting a whistleblower once every six months or so. Started off with David Grush. Then we got Jake Barber and he came and left like he was spoken about during his claims to News Nation about an egg shaped craft and a retrieval program. But then he didn't really show up with more information after that, minus a few posts on Twitter Now X. And then now, very recently, we have Matthew Brown coming forward. So I think over the last, you know, twelve, fourteen months, It seems that we've gotten further in this conversation with those that people deem as having a credible background to come forward and talk about the issues happening behind the scenes with UFO information, UFO crash retrieval programs. And it would be interesting to see if Matthew Brown will be speaking at the next congressional hearing under oath. That would be very exciting to see. we have no, no information about anything that's going to be coming forward aside from, and I have the article for it, this was posted just a few days ago, that according to the defense scoop, which I'll place that link embedded in the article, but I'll write for this, is that in the UAP Defense Fund briefing, again, briefing and hearing are two different things, it was mentioned that there's going to be more than one congressional hearing pertaining to UFOs, but with no definitive date as to when that will happen. But I think that is very exciting. Yeah, Burleson says UAP week. You know, it's kind of like Shark Week. It's like Shark Week. It's like Shark Week. Now, we have had multiple Washington Press Club whistleblower days. And the documentaries are out there. You can go back and watch them. We've had different groups do this. And we had one. like last year or the year before too as well. And so where you have guys like Mike Herrera, who has been on Fade to Black, coming out for the first time. I've had dinner with Mike. He was on my TV show actually last year on Into the Vortex. And also on Fade to Black. And I've had a lot of conversations with him since then. Mike is a pretty intense guy. He's pretty intense. No, I say that about what I'm suggesting is he's smart, a pretty great guy, but he is not playing around. Okay. He is very focused on this and, um, he has got other individuals that are around him that I think we may be seeing some action from now. Will Matthew Brown be a part of the congressional hearings? Um, I would like to say so. Um, one of the reasons why Matthew Brown is a possible candidate for testimony. is his background with the State Department and his background in government with certain levels of secrecy and top secret clearances. So that is something that Congress and the Senate like to see for a background on somebody. that they have been vetted and passed security checks to get clearances. So that's why he's a pretty good candidate for testimony. You were going to say something? What I wanted to touch on about Michael Brown as well pertaining to the Immaculate Constellation is that he had mentioned that he discovered the program by accident while working late at the Pentagon. and again jimmy had already explained his credentials and his background a little bit so I won't have to get into that again but you would think right it doesn't matter how high your clearance is that uh information and programs like the immaculate constellation would be a little more buried a little bit more covered up so then that would lead to the question was it kind of left out to air in the open right right or was it simply a mistake yeah for sure um that crossed my mind and and as uh especially with immaculate consolation and when it broke out put yourself in somebody's shoes like that in his shoes cristina Right. You're working late night in the office. Right. Pizza, coffee, Red Bull, whatever you're doing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're doing your thing and you're clicking and you've got access to servers and databases with your top secret clearance. Not, you know, not everything. Everything is compartmentalized. But you're and suddenly you see something like that. How do you maintain normalcy walking out of the building? How do you, how do you stay normal driving home in the car? You're like Fox Mulder, right? This is the X-Files. Oh man. Oh, right. Right. Are they following me? I mean, it, it must've been like that. And, and what do you, what do you say to who? How do you do that? Yeah. Who do you trust with that? I mean, we, we've all seen the smoking man, you know, right, right, right. And we've seen that movie. And how do you navigate that? So again, I'll have these attorneys on the show to help us understand and have them explain what the process is. And hopefully somebody like, Matthew has a place to go. One of the things that this attorney said to me is that a lot of these whistleblowers may have already lost their jobs, right? Because they started to talk about this. Now, where is the, I don't know what it costs to retain an attorney for something like this, but I would say it's probably, and I'm not joking, it's probably a hundred grand. And I don't know, I mean, just to get things started here. And you have to find an attorney that knows what to do with something like the subject of UFOs and UAPs, let alone whistleblower, right? That's a very- And dealing with classified information because they don't even have NDAs, right? So the witness or the client has to be careful what they tell the attorney. And then the attorney has to be careful on what they say to Congress or to the panel, right? So that they don't show that they have classified information. You have to watch what you say on the phone. You want to talk about UFOs and leaking UFO secret knowledge from the government? You want to talk about that on the phone? Woo, man. So anyway, that's where Matthew Brown finds himself. Now let's move on to Jake Barber. Before we do that, we're touching so many things so quickly. There's a few things I want to touch back on before we continue. First of all, Android, thank you. Referring to how the Alaskan rep was at the UAP disclosure fund briefing. Is that it? Because that's very interesting. And Brian, thank you so much. Android says, the legal definition, you need to report to the IG referring to the whistleblowers and how difficult it is to go through the process of being a whistleblower. And Sandy, thank you as well. It says, as an ex-military, if his claims are true, what MCON is doing is illegal in the military. What is MCON? Can you explain that? And then if Emcon is taking footage from other operation case files without proper authorization, should be held liable. I am with you on that one. Now, Cindy, I looked into this very quickly. And she asked, okay, why did these people resign? Referring to Matt Ford, Luella Zondo, and Gary Nolan from the UAP Disclosure Fund. Well, for... Matt Ford, his, from what I saw online, his mother just passed away. And so he is stepping back from a few of his responsibilities. And then as for Lou Elizondo and Gary Nolan, they have not gave a, they haven't given a public statement as to why they resigned. So hopefully that answered your question and a few others as well, that people were also having in the back of their minds. Everything is speculation right now. Timing of it, timing, suspect. Right after the briefing, and then all of this happens when you're just getting things started. Yeah, like started, you're right. And then just to walk away so quickly, there has to be a reason for it. Don't you want to know? I do. I do want to know. Yeah, I'll tell you after the show. Dun, dun, dun. Dun, dun, dun. Okay. Okay. All great points. Let's get to these other whistleblowers. We've got breaking news on David Grush. So I'll get to him in a second. That's called, everybody, a teaser. Yes, you have to wait for David Grush. But we've got breaking news on David Grush coming up in just a moment. Okay, Jake Barber. Jake Barber, he's an intense guy. Watch his interviews. Watch his demeanor and how he carries himself. He's a very, very intense guy. And he wants you to know he's a family guy, but he'll take you out. Right? And so there you go. But that's my personal opinion. Jake Barber was an airman, not a pilot, by the way. He was an airman in the United States Air Force who worked as an aerospace mechanic. Very important. In the late nineteen nineties, after leaving the Air Force in two thousand, he says that he went on to work in a non-official capacity for the Defense Department and the intelligence community. Barber says that he was contracted as a helicopter pilot. to retrieve all kinds of downed craft, some of which he believes are non-human origin. We've seen the video of the egg-shaped craft, and it turned out that that wasn't barber's footage. That was another incident that happened. Still don't know what that egg-shaped craft is. Yeah, there's those eyes. I'm a family guy, but I'll take you out. I'll take you out, man. Take you out. Intense guy, intense guy. Um, a lot of scrutiny has gone into not only Barbara's claims, but his background, his DD two, uh, his training in the military. He said he, uh, was trained in cct covert uh operations um it I I don't know his dd-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d And he worked with a C-一-thirty transport aircraft. I think he was stationed in Oman and a couple of places here in the United States, more for training purposes. But he was stationed, I think, outside of Washington, D.C. I could have that wrong. I could have the state wrong for about five years. And then he went over to Oman and then left the Air Force in two thousand. Uh, that one of the things that I love about this community, Christina, is there are a lot of very smart people that know how to investigate Whatever it may be, it could be a photograph of something, an image, a video, a background, a name, a location, pieces and parts and little things and stuff. I'm just impressed. Like, you know, you show a photograph of something like this. This is a Ricola, right? This is a Ricola. sitting on my dad but you know so this is sitting in the background of said photograph of and of uh of an alien body taken the alien was from roswell in nineteen forty seven and then you get people looking at the photographs and boom and then they see the ricola and go ah they weren't They weren't made in that packaging until December of two thousand sixteen. You know what I mean? And, you know, and that and that Jake Barber, just like Jesse Marcel and those photographs that you showed earlier, the Roswell press release that was taken. Those photographs were taken in Houston or Dallas. There was a memo held up by Ramey. Do you have the Ramey photograph? Ramey is in another, okay. Uh, Ramey's in another photograph. He's holding a sheet of paper, right? So only sheet of paper like this, right? He's got it down on the side that was blown up and it turned out to be a memo on the crash, right? Of the saucer crash. That's what is inside of this community. The, the ability to go, um, uh, and, and look at images, look at information and this community will do that. And they did that with Jake. Um, so was he a pilot? He was not a pilot, the air force. He was a mechanic, uh, his DD two, fourteen. Um, yeah, that's what, okay. So he's holding it there. There's another picture of Ramey, uh, with, uh, the memo, um, nearly in plain sight. He's holding it to his side, but perfectly clear. yeah yeah you can see all of the type uh right there so but that's what people do inside of this community so jake um not so sure um he said in his news nation interview and I'm not we're not here debunking whistleblowers We're here talking about who whistleblowers are and what they have to support their claims. Jake said in his interview with News Nation that he was, you know, a world class airplane aerospace mechanic. He never claimed that he was a pilot or anything else. All of that happened after the Air Force, where documentation gets a little more difficult. Now let's get on to the breaking news with David Grush. Who is David Grush? Dav