Hearing on Tridactyl Beings of Peru: Are They Non-Human?

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water weights are very important archaeological we do not know if it's the only one or it's some of the diom um Minds where the bodies were found they are microscopic organisms that are fossilized with which this body is recovered because it have um disting uh properties so that paction is not possible and it and avoids insects from approaching the bodies to eat it and they didn't know well who know this 2000 years ago and the extraordinary is that at least that I know even though they're not actually (00:48) mummies because they are desiccated bodies they are the only mummies that have been found that are preserved in this way because the other one the inter the inner organs are put out so that you can conserve them and just because of this this is a very unique way because of the way the bodies very preserved very different from the Egyptian mummies or the very proper Peruvian mummies they are different this ones have three fingers this is imagine that a be that you just see a being at the night with three fingers (01:30) three cm of just the fingers they are giant imagine they should have been very big this is what caused a lot of questions in the beginning what is this why three fingers are they not uh manufactured well we are back receiving images from Peru they are still just uh they're still arriving getting there this going to get some time so we're it's still going to be commenting but these are the images right straight from per we have to mention that according to the program for today members are going to be present (02:16) from the minister of culture from Peru and I think this is something very important a Cornerstone a point where they are opening their mind so that they can do their job in the sense that they to be open to research these bodies of course and they have to think about all of this they have to see that this is in benefit of itself this is an extraordinary finding so that it could be turned into like Egypt so that like in Egypt they see the museums and the pyramids this could be that for Peru and the chapter that has been (03:04) written in history because we're talking about a topic that doesn't have an explanation as of right now because I think that it's being demonstrated that this is real they were not manufactured these where biological beings that sometime walked in the Earth but who made them it's not natural somebody created them who is behind all of that this is a complicated thing it's a big leap for science for everything that we know and the scientists um avoid this because not everyone because there have been (03:38) scientists that have seen this and said that this is real but we need more research because of this is that the public hearing is being held the universities for example in the United States the top scientists in the world they cannot just research them because they want to they need the permission of the government that's why this has to be made official this discovery the government needs to recognize it recognize it as such this is our prony we want to get to the bottom of this something very basic in all of this (04:16) is that we are starting from something that is real there is nothing about that these are not dolls this was something that was alive 2,000 years ago and was created by somebody how did they interact with the ancient uh people of NASCAR and Peru how did they relate with the cultures the knowledge and all the um structures that were there the structures that were created in the desert do they have any kind of relationship anybody these beings or the beings ex raed these beings we are now in the Congress of Peru can you put some audio here so that (05:14) uh the people can hear so we're going to begin this hearing now so you can understand what is happening we have the participation of different persons and deputes I cannot make exactly the names that he (06:25) is mentioning but he is basically just listing off the attendees of the Congress a representative from my University Mr I ask of you please that you accompany us the people that are watching us could you present yourself for the people that are watching us [Music] (07:49) thanks a lot um thanks a lot important attendees of this Congress I want to thank everyone for being here present in this public hearing we're going to start shortly for a lot of people this is very important and I want to show my respect for everyone (08:56) here you are all very distinguished people we also have to have this topic of citizenship security there are people that we have to establish as priority please turn up the volume because the volume is very low some of them have different points of view some of you have different points of view but our principal objective our main objective is to discuss the information that we have and to make it known people that have studied this people that are eective and people that say that we need further research so that we can open the doors (09:53) to further research and starting from that we can discuss this very important topic in Peru that Peru invests basically nothing for research the universities are the places where the research should be generated and there is where it does not happen I know this is is very important so please to take account this obligations to the people and to listen because we have a lot of points of views but in all the ways in all the paths we need to arrive into a truth that may not be absolute but is truth through research and this is a point in which we (10:58) have to take this into account I repeat there are versions from one point from another but as a congressman as a congressman I had the first information which is very important based on the public Hearing in Mexico I observed how this topic was exposed from a scientific way what the research where the research was going to from Antiquities that were found in NASCAR being analized in another country why us as peruvians could not open the doors so that this could be (12:03) researched here as well it's all about research opening the doors for enabling that to happen which has happening which has been happening very few of it as of late here in Buu so I have considered that at this moment the commission of culture have been obstacle once and once again and that truthfully the last meeting that we had we were able to establish a meeting in which we could hear this topic from a scientific point of view and all of you are here to do (13:11) that but what I understand from all this and Z is adapted with I've God overlapping audio I apologize for the inconvenience for [Music] (14:34) l [Music] and this is the goal that we have here to establish uh jurisdiction president and it is there where the culture commission (15:37) also with our president has also delivered this topic as a an important path to follow something important furthermore Mr President I congratulate your president and the commission and every Congressman that approved this public hearing that we [Music] assume that they are granting the opportunity for the community of Ika that has the beings so that a museum space of sorts can be generated that could generate income to provide for these communities this is good this is very important and starting from this point it's going (16:33) to be generated this point this the next and the next information that we hear thanks a lot Mr President congressman now we proceed with Mr campus representative of the University of EA I now give you the word to speak good morning Mr President uh congressman and representatives of the government [Music] I come as a representative of the University s Gonzaga forward to present a very (17:40) controver controverted topic [Music] From Another Part all the assistants scientists researchers public in general for this public hearing that has been it's going to be important to generate the possibility to analyze these bodies in the establishments of the EA University and they have a lot of (18:49) resources to establish another instrument of knowledge people the University of EA finds inside of the normativity that there is one law of University which to us it makes us that we establish research but with a budget which is 0.05% of what we need we have to pay for all of that by ourselves which is a very important problem that we're dealing with and because of that I also come to (19:54) express my discomfort with this situation in the name of the H university allow me to express that the position of the University before this very controverted situation is to find the truth to us that it is our goal to find a truth we need to establish this in a different way but always following the guidelines that our University follows but we also have to make laws Mr Congressman so that this can be a tool but fundamentally (21:00) for scientific research now we don't have any signal but in the words of in very randomly man and this have to be (22:08) concentrated in a single point and it has to be recognized by law the universities like the University of EA took the risk against the critics and against everything and they said we want to know the truth we want to get to the bottom of this and I think that all the scientists should be like like that if it's something fake it's going to be found out what's the problem the scientists should be neutral they cannot say we're going to see we have they have to say we have to see to see what uh proof exists to determine that firstly (22:44) this is real second what are we analyzing where it come where does it come from what is it we have found that this H that this is very ancient and is very complex and what strengths my osity is the complexity of the whole finding and what is very important is just as M said have said during more than three decades is that the topic like these kind of topics are now being held openly and in points like from a very official point of view in surroundings that are more serious in nature which is also very important (23:29) and this is elevating all this kind of the level of discussion is being held in higher levels and what I was mentioning before precisely for this to be uh for a museum to be uh built in for the benefit of the people of Ika and Peru in general this has to be recognized scientifically which is what the experts some of the experts that are there present in this uh table are going to discuss and are going to expose the reality of the scientific fundaments that are backing up this discovery it's a lot of stuff that has (24:12) been researched because there are a lot of bodies this is such a great discovery I do not understand why there's such resistance for this discovery because it literally changes everything different humanoid species that interacted with ancient peruvians or that we think they did we don't really know maybe they just found them and they just kept them but now we are back to the Congress oh it's a Rus we are they are in a Rus apparently there's a little Rus in the Congress they comment us that apparently there is a re is in this (25:00) session apparently there are some administrative issues that they are going to try and solve in this moment but now we are here in the transmission we uh we greet every single person that are that is watching us here in the world because they're very interested and I think that with these hearings and the Transmissions that are being held um surrounding these bodies I have noticed that a lot of people that were a septic finally are starting to recognize that this is actually something extraordinary and yes they say that an image is worth a (25:39) thousand words and when you see the x-rays the tomographies even an artist that is um that does this kind of thing in 3D animations or sculptures they can say this is very complex when you see anything um maybe even a mic a microb or a bug from very uh closeup you can tell it's very complex but this is extraordinarly complex so it's extremely complex and the same thing that they say about um that the medic that the doctors say about Anatomy for example the the anatomy of the finger that is very complex and has a lot of variants that (26:31) have to come together in a very specific way so that he could work okay they are in the room right there but uh nothing is happening so we're just going to show the image but we're still here we are watching live images from the historic session in the Congress of Peru where a lot of experts are [Music] attending and uh International personalities that are coming here it is very important to highlight that if these bodies and this research was fake caros Clement I think that this is if that if this was fake the least (27:19) thing they would try and do is to research it if you make a fraud the least thing that you want them to do is to research because they're going to discover you and in some um Journal some journalists there in Peru they say that a lot of scientists and a lot of uh members of the scientist community of Peru they were upset because of this hearing because they need to because they say that they are they have to research all of this scientifically first before escalating the situation this is exactly what they are happen (27:54) what they're trying to do seven years ago when they delivered the news of this uh Discovery um one or two years were had already passed and nothing was happening it's because ofan that this topic has really um has really caught some some relevancy because in other moments of history other histories maybe at some other point of History discoveries like this had been held but they have been lost because not enough import not enough um attention had been put into it so now we need to avoid that of happening (28:33) again and this is what we're looking for for research so that we can get to the bottom of this case what we are promoting is a call for the whole Community International Community of scientists and specifically those who are being presented as skeptical because that's what we actually need so that when they can have this research in their hands they can realize the importance of this discovery because at the time at this time at at least 50 scientists of different nationalities and specialities have um have come here they have done their (29:17) research and are surprised and especially those who have seen them physically because it is very impressive I want to comment something that is very important to have uh told us this already but somehow the research team that we are specifically Mr Hae Maan our chief is who has uh pushed very importantly this topic I'm not going to mention everything that has that we have had to go through so to get to this point but we are we've always been in the search of Truth and if there is somebody in this planet that knows about this is (30:05) firstly obviously Mr mean and we who we are in this table right now this is the point because sometimes uh because we always know what we are saying we have the knowledge of the the reports that we receive I've always been impacted when we are when we begin to uh write the articles from the uh the r geographies the studies from uh from scientists we have held them with our own hands and this information it needs to be kept very importantly we cannot publish exactly everything from A to Z everything because it's also very uh (30:47) Technical and complex but we have for example Dr selce Who has analyzed the bodies he has been in Peru a lot of times we have had the great opportunity to have here ER live two of the buddies and if this is not having um the knowledge of all of this and I really don't know what it is I really don't know who could have it just to to to ponder all the doubts that maybe you could have but uh I have received comments that well maybe how do you know uh maybe it's because is I think it's because of all the team and all the (31:32) scientists and us as a research team uh Haan is the Cornerstone of all of this he has opened the bridge apparently they're going to speak now we are getting back uh at any moment we're going to get back to the Congress oh there there they are I am not receiving audio from The Source we are not receiving audio from The Source there it is he is presenting the members of the no it's been repeated (32:44) apparently the transmission is being repeated well everything is going to go well probably you just presented himos this is effectively a repetition know what happened earlier well there's a little technical issues (34:24) we will return in a moment to the Congress but it's very important to mention that one of and precisely those who are uh very skeptical we have uh a little issue here with the audio oh there we go one of the biggest goals in this hearing is to make this research official so that the government of Peru finally says this has to be researched because but this has to be allowed officially this has to be allowed to an official level because these bodies are Belong To You friends of Peru and as as soon as this is (35:18) official uh to allow the travel of these body so that they can be analyzed in the best Laboratories in Europe and United stat state so that we can get to the truth that's why this hearing is so important this is what has been established by mcdog one of the most important uh forensic scientists in United States that this is what he said he said this needs to be established from a legal point of view and I'm not going to do anything until all of this is being done correctly because because if not then they're going to be held (36:00) responsible for problems as well now uh we're going to check if the signal uh is being held from there we are going to check the signal if it's the correct or now they have to to comprehend this is this is happening live so uh there's a great effort that is happening so that we can retransmit live from Kilometers of distance we we uh sent our own equipment all the way to Peru and this is not a small thing so believe me and we are here in the studio precisely to continue and to share with you this information (36:39) there's a lot of images um we can show you some of the uh images that we have here of this great discovery because I think that well in any moment we will link to P but just just be patient because at any moment they're going to say Just Go Peru here and literally at the light of speed they're going to send us here but um we are still here with you uh live sharing with you all of this okay um we're we're going to check if this is already working it's it's the same that was happening before it's the beginning (37:24) again it's just the beginning uh return here to the studio please cut back to the studio that already happened just just go well here we are back um the images are going to be adjusted shortly but as we say here in in the television these are um uh issues from the orang but we are here we're still going to be commenting Carlos Clement John mdow one of the most important forensic scientists uh very few people know that he was the one one of the main okay oh there we go John McDow that's the guy we do not have (38:25) audio the exams made by our team of forensic scientists they were ex extremely limited and we not have signal again they tried to to do procedures that weren't invasive or destructive trials that were destructive and we don't have signal anymore again and the signal ended so back to the table is one of the key people who helped uh recognize the victims of 911 who were recognizable and thanks to his work they were able to recognize them and deliver them to their families this (39:29) is a labor that North Americans really think a lot because he was key in the identification of the victims of 911 an extraordinary work at a forensic level and uh he has a great reputation because of that now to research them in United States to make further research and we are back apparently go forth please to Peru or maybe just warn us uh we'll keep there so just mcdo you can see him there let's see if we can hear him now no it's being loaded we have images we have we have images but not uh not audio (41:22) for we still do not have audio from the Lage of the disproven scientist no I'm not receiving Audio Oh we have no audio this artifacts from this origin and we don't have signal anymore (43:26) for fore we don't have signal anymore again based on what I have done with this brief declare the authorization of the government of (44:30) Peru and the ministery of culture to expand our evaluation initial evaluation I hope that this is an import opportunity to work uh along Peruvian scientists for this meeting he's now translating the man thanks for this opportunity to address the members of the Congress today I hope that this Con conversation goes to a productive result (45:36) don't doubt in contacting me if you have any question or need any information thanks for giving me a little bit more minutes I appreciate it because this is very important topic very good thanks a lot Dr John mcbow for your Exposition and it's going to be very useful for us really uh apart from that we're going to give the word to Ernesto Umberto aalos comto from The Institute of medicine from the public Ministry of Peru he is a historic chemistry he he is in charge of the area of research and development and toxicological (46:37) control he also was in charge of an of a area of pH pharmacology in The Institute in consequence we are now going to give the word to him to the our friend uh welcome you have now the uh you canot speak well now with everything with everyone here firstly I want to clarify some terms and some points um from the table firstly there are a lot of procedures that has been done in these desicated bodies they have done x-rays demographies Etc right the x-rays is uh the x-rays the kind of energy that responds to the electromagnetical uh (47:32) Spectrum it has uh different levels of energy Alpha Beta gamma x-rays ultraviolet uh microwaves R frequencies and each one of them has a a different level of energy and this kind of energy interacts with the matter and the matter has a react it reacts to this reaction a very specific reaction and I'm subjectively because of H acquired with something that is red we because of the knowledge that we have we say it's red but objectively if it's red it has to be uh to be analyzed to a photometric analysis so (48:24) that we can actually determine its red not just because we see it's red we need to prove it's red that's the objective way to demonstrate that it's red now x-rays what they do is the analysis of these bodies these demographies is a kind of um x-rays but they make a lot of cuts through these body and we can see some images depending of the density and we can observe a form so imagine if I had this bottle uh they are not going to give me the the it's going to give me the shape of the bottle but that's it uh so we're (49:07) going to see the form of the heart we can see this the shape of the organs and we can see if there's any damage to any tissue to an artery to a vein any kind of malformation so that's for the living tissue but for a desiccated body what we can only see is the the bones the skin or what is desiccated we cannot see that we cannot see if there was a blood vessel if there is a brain If there is a bladder because it's a desicated body now when we see the xrays and it gives me the the image of a bottle so here you (49:47) can observe that yes it's a bottle because of the of the shape but what it's going to tell me if it's actually a bottle the even further it's an molecular analysis yes because it's a plastic there's high density Plastics and low density plastics for example from low density we can see they are transparent and the molecular structure of it of this plastic and what uh defines it as plastic it exists a a a very specific kind of analysis that analyzes uh this matter you know way that it emits a (50:28) signal of its uh chemical structure the classic is a polymer of consecutive chains of uh molecules that are unified with different lengths with double links and it sends a signal or there is a response to the action of the energy and that is how that we can know that this polymer of a lot of carbons and therefore we can say say that it is a plastic and even more if it's a plastic of high or low D of of high or low density and this molecular analysis we tells me that it is effectively a plastic objectively but (51:10) if it was a an x-ray we can only see that it's we can only see the shape but we cannot tell it's actually plastic we can only see the shape and that cannot be defined by an x-ray so Bas of this the bone tissues they are actually bones probably and they're very probably very ancient because of the um carbon 14 uh trials but we need to see the composition of these bodies the the tissues that form superficially these bodies this was the first these were the first bodies that desicated bodies that I that I got my hands on in 2017 so the (51:56) first one look what they say right the infrared spectrum of the surface of uh the composition of the skin it says here Rubber and it also says Polymers of cellulose so it's a vegetable polymer for example so this um supposedly skin when uh for example uh kids that they use um paper and all this stuff to make some masks for a school assignment this is basically what is there it is one of the individuals that was being analyzed the next was the skull apparently the the the skin was peptin which is also a vegetal (53:02) fiber and it's the second the second image the third image there's a fragment that was taken from different parts of the body and it neatus that is a plastic glue as well so imagine that is the composition of of the surface I'm not talking about the bones this is the molecular analysis what it's going to identify we are uh taking this from molecules and atoms the molecules is the structures of atoms that form amino acids proteins that are the base of the tissues right parap parap is a plastic that is used to cover the sa (53:54) tubes and this was designed this this compounds next we have a hand yes this is this one was sent this year this is a body that was analyzed by uh this tests if you see there like this supposedly skin and you can see H that the results are PR prene and you can go forward to the next uh image please we can also see more glue comes up in the results the next one what happens here is that the infrared Spectrum Compares what it has in the library which is like a dictionary (54:57) of a lot of pages that for example the the answer of this is already recorded here the uh answer of this response is already uh stored here and the the an the the answer that is being presented the results that are being presented are compared with this library and that's why if you can see this and see what is probably uh if it has a high level of coincidence it's probably it to the next one please there uh you can also see rubber the next one something that caught my attention cellulos uh cotton and in the next image the next one you (56:01) can see where it says fraction seven between the joints in this finger there is a piece of cotton that is what forming that structure and look at there you can clearly see and the uh infrared Spectrum analysis tells me that there cotton and cotton is well C It's a cotton fiber right so subjectively I can see it and you can see yes that is a fiber and the spectrum that is objectively uh telling me is that yes that's a cotton because the infrared Spectrum analysis tells me that it's cotton it's objective way of (56:49) telling if it's cotton the next one for example as you can see it is veny so polymers these were mixes of different things you can see more U Plastics and cotton the next one it also indicates us that it's uh more glue that has been adhered to the Bone you can also see an image there what I just said was about the the hand these are the bodies right that were received by uh our Institute and the same we uh these are true parts and we analyzed the what it (57:56) appears to be a skin and it's the same right so the next one please you can see that that this is constant with all the desicated bodies like for example calcium phosphate it's a uh a chemical component principally made by oxides that we use that they use when a crime is committed so the bodies are being covered and so that when it when it uh decays uh it doesn't smell as bad they uh add these chemicals to avoid that and it dries faster so that it doesn't smell as much so this is a way to desiccate them and (58:52) maintain them in case of uh of this so this has been adhered with this component the next one you can also observe below this is also a cotton this is a fiber and the results say cutton this is uh they also uh the results are also uh Plastics polymers and so like the other ones what we can also observe in the Spectrum It also says rubber right Rubber and also uh polyester so this skin has been adhered with glue and rubber to the surface of the bones we can also observe the same resin it says right uh glue in the next one it (59:50) also um the results are also Rubber and glue and in the next one another one there this is the skull the side part of it right it had been adhered with uh glue because we can observe uh internally that we found that it was uh that it had glue and in the next one the next one please it had some adherences of um metall appearance and what was made was uh to take off what was appeared between that fraction of the body right that adherance was analyzed and it was rubber it was adhered with rubber and lastly this is the last one (1:00:46) and a lot have speaked and have found and they have commented that one of the bodies had some eggs maybe this some supposedly eggs this is in the image I have taken that egg and look what they what they are it's calcium carbonate all of it is carbonate of is calcium carbonate is calcium carbonate that's what the Test shows now there can't be an image of higher density than the bones because if that if this it cannot be that this structure um has more density than the bones because it comes from it to (1:01:34) form uh what could be the eggshell of an egg but everything is form from calcium carbonate right so this is everything that we can see in the infrared analysis of the surface of these um bone tissue and what uh they said that apparently was a an egg so there can't be anything that is fossilized and another one that is uh uh desiccated there are different things it cannot be so um that the things they are ancient they are ancient that is that does not uh it is not my place to say if it's if it is or not but we can say that uh everything (1:02:27) has been adhered to the tissues is it has been repeated this has been a repeated behavior from the tests that we have held from 2017 to 2024 the tests have been the same rubber glue and polymers thanks thanks a lot Umberto Alvarez we continue and Jose Jesus Jose jesuses who is a plastic surgeon in Mexico chief of the sector of uh the Navy surgical apartment uh welcome Mr Sal you can have the word thanks a lot good morning Congressman of Peru and representatives of the citizenship with (1:03:34) your permission I am here before you voluntarily and personally I also omitted the the welcome of uh the Congress the congressman next to me um that said uh you can continue now thanks uh with your permission I am here voluntarily and personally integrally and literally with respect and humility to expose again the studies the analysis and the results of the investigation that for more than seven years have been held with the stle bodies perfectly preserved by the process of dissocation and dis dehydration from the dirt of DIY that (1:04:23) covers them that avoided their petrifaction and enabled their Discovery in Peru here we need to uh to say that they are desicated bodies not Des desicated not not dissected desiccated not dissected so to be able to um so we need to make the analysis and the tests that considered like the target of study not over some that are distinct or different from the original um the original site that has been marketed at in a way that causes disinformation in the population the studies that I make now are in base of different um (1:05:21) techniques of common sense in forensic sciences and cut Edge Technologies like equipment of x-ray tomographies of 64 to 128 cuts that allowed us to have uh images of 3D reconstructions and great uh zooms to millimetric levels to the interior of these bodies we also made use of [Music] Harmony and continuity of the bone structures of all of these uh beings we also made histological studies of tissues and uh massive sequence sequen of DNA and the interpretation that throw results that exceed the uh what we know of biology and nature (1:06:22) specific for these new species before that were uh unknown before we also we were also able to have um implant the implants that were in their skin or inside of them that didn't have any kind of uh inflammation or anything like that in their bodies so they did analysis in a spectr photometry that through uh results in the result it throw us that it was high density metals like osmium and also silver at a 95% of Purity we also made a carbon 14 uh tests to guarantee the in the age of all of these bodies and through all of those (1:07:20) all of these tests we are now here today as you can see they are bodies that have a very harmonious bone structure with joints that because of their uh functionality we can uh prove that at some point they had life and movement just as the we can see the existence of different organs and and that enabled the metabolic functionality of this species I also had the opportunity to analyze more than 10 bodies that were small that in average they were 60 CMS of uh height and they had uh interesting things that made them unique like their (1:08:06) elongated skull that had a large capacity of a cereal matter and that has a some that is very different to a lot of compared species and it enabled their probable elongation to facilitate their movement just as a different species of turtles the Torx we can see that the ribs are continuous from extreme to extreme in their point of Union in every vertebrae and they are ex uh completely horizontal in their abdomen we can see structures of voidal structures or eggs from different um so that different uh shapes and sizes so that we can say she (1:08:54) was pregnant and we could also see embryony um structur so that we could also make of it that they were uh living things the very the most clear evidence is from their extremities that were formed by long uh bones in their interior they are Hollow but they are divided by uh different tissues that H make them light we do not have audio anymore we are not receiving audio still no audio (1:10:35) still no audio made with uh equipment of uh Cutting Edge equipments the results are surprising I mean this is the uh scientific fundament surrounding the tractile beings of NASCAR so um to try to say they are fake they would have to make uh studies at the same level so here we can see the the hands of 45 cm 30 cm just from the fingers and they have more uh bones than human hands we are seeing the famous body of (1:11:39) Maria we can see the bones the teeth these images are extraordinary as uh it was mentioned these tomographies were uh done three-dimensionally they are Cutting Edge Equipment and we can see very clearly without being experts that they are organic bodies they are beings that were once alive which we think uh they walked in the earth in ikan and palpa some 1700 years ago for example here we can see the digits of Maria which are different from all of those that we know here in uh the Earth which are in spiral and these beings (1:12:28) have them horizontally which are more um similar to the reptile digits here we can see Santiago which is one another one of the tractile beings Dr salce well he commented me that for him this is a a an infant a a child because he has still uh the temporary um teeth and most probably he is a child and because of the separation in the bones of the skull because um when we uh grow up it's like those are welded together but when one is very young there is a separation between the bones of the skull and now that you mention it that (1:13:15) you mentioned the teeth UMO I also uh remembered the stud the studios the research that was made in eeka when the specialists in the area of uh odontology they discovered that in the body of Maria surprisingly odontological work was made so there were dentists almost 2,000 years ago and this is surprising the the plates is also surprising these metallic objects you can see immediately that they are real beings how can you manufacture some of this something like this without leaving uh a footprint behind the Specialists that have (1:14:01) analyzed all of this they say like if if I grabbed bones of other bodies and I tried to put them together scars would be left behind and they would fall off eventually I think we already have audio again we go back to the Congress well uh are still seeing these bodies while uh Dr Sal is speaking while all of this is being recorded all of this you you will be able to uh listen to this at later date we still have no audio audio will come shortly signed by Lis Eduardo Carlos Molina from uh uh the minister culture (1:14:57) the culture Ministry of biology uh in the same manner the last report of image signaled with uh 13 of September of 2024 these bodies did not present any fracture or ar alteration of manufacture or mutilation artificially made declaring them like n but but like natural and I conclude the following first ly we are in the presence of at least four specimen of four different species of tractile uh beings that should be incorporated in the taxonomy of the species or at least be recognized as a parallel evolution of the one that (1:15:42) is uh recognized today it is important its official recognition so that we can uh research further in the international scientific community in an objective made Manner and not use uh the ignorance and disinformation third it is important to guarantee the conservation and preservation through methodolog different methodologies and investigations that are coherent to the present case and relevancy of these uh beings finally I want to thank all of the people that have have added their knowledge constructively it has been a long way (1:16:30) with the participation of more than 50 scientists of different nations that have pushed aside their ego and have risked their professional Prestige to research directly and personally like it should be and not from a distance for what could be one of the most important findings of the history and evolution of of mankind I put myself um we have no signal again um I'm not receiving (1:17:54) audio does matter because one has to get to the bottom of all of this case you cannot just uh scratch the surface and one of the most important things is that that Dr Sal uh said is that they are different species it's not just one it's at least five what appears to be so a new field is being opened I hope well that well this um hearing is just beginning in B but I think that the time has come for this to be acknowledged officially not for them to recognize that they are extr teral we do not know that it's possible but we do not (1:18:45) know but without a doubt they are from an unknown source and origin and we need to establish with all the um scientific uh basis to that point to the truthfulness of these uh bodies and we need the government to give the authorization for these bodies to be researched like uh we heard that from John McDowell now we are about to go back under the exposition of uh for the first time this year with the ministry of culture has started the demographic evaluation and sded with us what we already did seven years ago so this is going to be good um (1:19:40) following it's always good to be in the scene and I mean with the bodies I was there from the scene in 2001 when I was being formed as a forensic um medic and I have there uh 25 years less today now here I am here I am with journalist Joyce uh going through all the work plan after analyzing the body that I'm going to uh analyze there why because when he's going to present me information they already had five years of research and that's how you work with complete information not biased and there was a lot of uh (1:20:42) research with a lot of reports uh like from Russian people from Americans from a lot of people there wasn't a single bias and Professor cor he published a a book back then seven years ago the book was in $800 it's now $10 but the experience he had with these bodies uh back then it's not the one that we have now next I cannot go forward the one so please uh I will run out of time if you do not uh pass the slides but uh when I saw the bodes uh please turn on the Audio I don't know why it doesn't have (1:21:32) audio but I was in a TV program this was after the first hearing of Mexico they presented the bodies I saw the tomographies I participated virtually I saw the tomographies uh I've seen x-rays for 30 years and in the TV program they asked me if the bodies that I seeing in this at that moment are authentic or not based on that image and I say it yes next next week is we lose Time Dr Sun who is unfortunately not here because of health issues invited me I said that we well we are in the scene of the research in the terrain (1:22:28) next mommies does not have a radiography that we can observe and if tomorrow is are presented well then I eat a cockroach live and alive that was the the take that was uh that impressed me the most firstly she didn't present herself the next day where the radiography was presented and I as a Peruvian I was embarrassed by what she said what do you mean by eating a live cockroach with Mayon it wasn't necessary it was a serious it was a serious interview and uh well she didn't and I'm going to ask (1:23:08) her to do it she didn't eat it but I um I want to show that she she was very closed off she didn't want to open herself to more possibilities and she said all of this without uh seeing the bodies she didn't she said it with without going to the University of EA without seeing more stuff she just said that because of the position she had this is how we are uh this is the condition of the scientists of the nation uh the man to my white was which couldn't come here today he is uh from France he is the director of (1:23:51) Inari we have worked with him and um with him was the first time that the bodies were researched so that they could be known next I this this is me explaining to Joyce and behind me there's a lot of ideologists because there's a lot of stuff that is very disruptive and I was very uh used to seeing human uh bodies to see only truti bodies it was surprising and next here is what J said and I agree with him 100% with what he just said I support him 100% to what he said and what proceeded to what he just said he is (1:24:56) here this is what we are seeing this digits we have not uh take them off or we have not manipulated them this is how they were and we are not going to touch them at all these uh digits as if as you can see them they are they do not follow a human pattern here I am collaborating with the journalist Joyce to work material to deliver to dozens of uh Television Studios in the planet next this is me uh getting uh x-rays again to send them to different places from the Buddies next including what including from what those (1:25:53) that you call small because there's a lot of types of small beings here are some uh Medics with information they contacted me and sent a team of journalists for me to show them the images and obviously that's what I did next these are those who presented themselves in Sheron and uh next this is the first time that the images were shown and the program that is being used is a common program is not an EXA problem that nobody has is radiant the images are common it's not it's not strange or there R geologists (1:26:39) manage this uh images some software some systems have um are a little bit more sophisticated and can make more better renders and deliver better results in 3D but next one please look to in summary what we call Maria and what the minister of culture said it began the investigation and also the genetical study and it didn't show that it has segments of Y chromosome so it's my instead of Maria he's a male Jina is part of the small bodies uh authentic as well next uh I'm going to I'm not going to (1:27:39) read this because I have to be quick but um Victoria we call her Victoria because she doesn't have a head and it is from Herod that we got the vertebrae to get the complete sequen reation and from Victoria we presented the complete sequen reation of the genetic material from a Canadian laboratory Albert is another tractile a similar trti the following please next one please well wa was something that we thought that was uh truthful but it's not she's not authentic because we have demonstrated and obviously in the (1:28:29) beginning we didn't see that we didn't see that but she has been cut like you can see that the fingers were cut and were put together and is is very it's very small obviously not by any of us in the team but some some someone in the ancient times did it it has nothing to do with what we are researching right now and uh the DNA sequence Creations do not coincide with anything that we know Louisa is a little one of 60 cm the members of the University have studied the plates of U metallic material and this material is extremely (1:29:18) exotic and does not coincide with nothing made in uh the culture of that time time and the region of Peru next one monat she is the one that uh Sal that Dr Sal it's the one he was talking about that he noticed for the first time that they were tractile the fures that they had inside like she was pregnant we saw the the X-ray the tomography and we saw something inside now all of this is in uh is live and uh next one this is the body so that you can know it the TR the fact that she has three fingers is authentic there is no manipulation there (1:30:24) and you will be able to make all the collaborations because this is why the science exists to corroborate to confirm and to repeat and confirm next sanago is one that we presented in Sheron hotel and the culture minist and the ministry of culture basically came there to basically uh take us uh to prison basically and you were able to see that live but we don't really understood what they wanted but we were presented the images we were presenting the IM the images of what we had done in Sheran mdow was there as (1:31:17) well he had uh analyzed Santiago's body the next one and Sebastian who are two buddies as well we're going to say uh next one please and today when I had analyzed those bodies before before the tomography I think this is very authentic I think this is required because you cannot know if a tomography is uh Worthy is worth it or not like it can be done manufactured or not but you have to analyze it first and that's why I want to say to all to you that I haven't received uh nobody has paid me to do any (1:32:14) of this so we have called them from an insector species not humanoid anymore we going to present them in Mexico is complex to comment about a being of these she's very small but we have also analyzed it in uh uh in dep she also has eggs inside and I presented her in the second Congress in Mexico was in charge of for those who do not know me in charge of the research the tribunal of corruption in mesino case for almost three years I was also in charge of the case of when they were investigating Captain Carlos in the (1:33:06) case that uh in that uh in those times a candidate for presidency I've also been member of a I have a long trajectory and I've done the conference of the scholarship of the Medics of Peru and they give me these These Hands these stones that for them they are valuable according to their beliefs and um next we're here I want to thank Joyce for what he has done up to now next one and here we are checking one and behind me you can see uh there are a lot of when one takes (1:34:09) radiographies there's a lot of dangerous waves here we are in the control Zone with a technician and uh that was done next one here because we have to square these is one of the last bodies Joyce called me to verify the authenticity of this take the so that the tomography corresponds to the body and that's what I did with this take they say I have limited time I am sorry to have extended my time thanks a lot now um uh could can I just put this one this this last slide please um some of you are confused with (1:34:59) the quantity of bodies at the left you can see a human body it's a proportion in the second one you can see the proportions of Maria if we were able to make her to stand up because the desicated body is what I'm standing up uh Sebastian is the fourth one Jina Victoria all of them they are in the fifth one wa the one that is like um in FAL position the almost last one that is not actually we're not actually foring investigation with her because we have seen that she's not a tactile being and the DNA does not correspond to those of (1:35:45) the the other ones the next ones they are isolated species that have we have I've seen them in different parts and they are erratic they are not um whole bodies and this is a different part of the research and the other ones that are like insectoids that they are like insects the one like the one that I just presented that's it thanks for the time that um my presentation took thanks Dr DAV now we're going to give the word to the to Antonio Moreno from the from the Peru ministery culture archaeological (1:36:37) Department with 25 years of experience in the analysis of uh animals and human remains archaeological remains he has done exploration of archaeological sites and he is now and he's now to the service of Lima Peru welcome you can now speak thanks a lot Mr President please can you please uh turn off the the lights because all of what I have is um images can you please turn off this image from a long time ago since 2017 we have seen a lot of uh this objects uh going through the inter internet and different connections one (1:37:26) of them one of them arrived at a laboratory in Lima where we can analyze next image please this is the stuff that we have seen in the uh through time uh skulls dos the different parts of the body that have been going through the have been going online different ways just as you can see Dr Orlando we have done different studies where we have done AR histological studies which was uh we and the results were interesting because there wasn't any tissue it was just um uh vegetable tissue and um interestingly last uh (1:38:24) year two objects of uh anr anthropological um form were destroyed that were going to delivered to Mexico that were to be delivered to Mexico so they were destroyed and they were going to be sent to Mexico directly but this next image please represent the uh the doll the dh2 that uh was dressed with feminine with female uh uh clothes we can see different kinds of Bones Avan bones and something that is very interesting is that the skull that schull is a skull of a having in mind it has all the stuff that they have (1:39:21) uh that they supposedly had they have the metallic plate in the the body that has the purpose to make an impression in the people you can also see the the bones so that to make these dolls they used H bird bones they were cut there is a disorder a an absolute disorder anatomical disorder next one please this is another doll the doll one interestingly this doll was also surprising that merits attention this one also had eggs in its interior so it's a it's a they like to put things inside just to confuse the population and we can also (1:40:15) see the same manufacturer cut bound a mixture of different things the metal plates which is something very common um eggs that have a shapes different shapes that have a higher density those who know rad about Radiology I assume that the Medics that here have done that have used that word before they should know that an element that is white in a radiological um plate is an element of higher density and that's what we can see here these are the elements that have been presented since a long time ago next please this is a an x-ray about um (1:40:58) doll number two we can see that inside there's a bone next the comparison the osteological comparison with animals revealed that the anatomy is the same of a camel uh skull this is very uh clear in this kind of comparison this is not a an extr an extraterrestrial skull this is a skull of a being in this um in this uh in this world which could be a Lama or an alpaka next so we decided to open this cavity to see these so-called eggs and they were actually just Stones they they had a calcium carbonate this components could be any kind of (1:41:47) stone which was very dense that's why it was very dense in the uh X-rays next one we have to ask some questions why do we recognize a an extra an alien when we see them why do we have stuff like this and we say ah this is this is an alien why do we think that where do we have that image from uh uh bipedal aliens uh with long skulls that image comes from the TV from movies from TV shows of aliens that they have made us believe that all the all the aliens have a humanoid form why would all the aliens have a humanoid form I ask you why would (1:42:38) all the aliens have a humanoid form why next image this is something that should be thought about next one next one please this is the do Alberto of University of Ika it's not we can see the long skull elongated to the bag that image that we see in movies and TV shows the elongated school next this is not the body this is from this image we can see human cut bones there even is a bone that has a pathology that would mean that this alien uh had anemia and had pathology through its life this leg are uh manufactured human bones that (1:43:35) were C and put together in a very disorderly way we can also see this is the key of all of this the next one this is the other one this is Josina with the same characteristics of um manufacturer this is Josina the so-called eggs that they are supposed to have in the interior of the body in a in a radiography in an x-ray an element that is white is a very dense element and look the bones that are surrounding it what is surrounding it is a are real bones we don't we do not have any doubt about that but those elements that are inside (1:44:21) are much more dense than and what are surrounding them next one here is the queen of the spect of uh the show this is Maria next one cut bones in all the parts of the body are symmetrical if these would have been living beings they would have a very grave uh this capacity they would be very discapacitated they would not be able to walk without breaking their bones next one also the eggs the So-Cal eggs are there she she died when she was pregnant of these three eggs that have different shapes different and here we can (1:45:09) analyze I would like you to analyze this with uh very cly especially with McDow that for him to analyze this we have the x-rays above we can see Josephina we also see the one we analyzed in 2017 analyzed by us we analyzed that the radiography was done we have the ones that we destroyed and the the x-rays can tell us that they are the same the same anatomical characteristics the Magnum uh the the true Magnum hole was uh constructed in the base to make an appearance that it was an individual that had a uh blood vessels and that does not (1:46:04) exist because it's in the in the front next one look at this Dr McDowell look at this come on look at what we are uh watching there what do you find here the first two uh x-rays are from uh Albert the other one is from Josephina the third one is from the one we analyzed in 2017 and the the fourth and the fifth are the ones that were destroyed this year we took x-rays and compared what do You observe There euphology community that is here Congressman look at what we're watching here president please distinguished (1:46:58) uh with with respect please uh yes I'm sorry Mr President we can see here that the elements share the same element the the same anatomical um characteristics they are camel or alpaca or Lama schools now one of the people that formed the group of you the the the biologist Jose deuz Rio Lopez member as well of the group of Mr Maan a friend of Dr saly and other personalities presented a a scientific article and what does he conclude in base of a study of tomographies what does he conclude that the that the head of Josephina is the (1:47:57) head of Al Lama Jose Lopez uh got out of the bag and that's why he's not here anymore so Jose De Cruz Lopez concludes that the skull of the of Josephina is the skull of a Lama or an alpaka next please now let's talk about Maria of her school and her feet first next one please this is the poor Maria a human uh mommy that was mutilated from uh hands and feet to give this tractile appearance this modification of the of the skull this is a uh an intentional modification of the skull that form part of their of their skull that's not how (1:48:51) she was born this is how uh it was given a new shape next one how strange that this hybrid have um uh uh teeth with uh decay in the teeth how strange I could uh show you where the teeth are this is a a very evident uh human uh teeth they do this to thousand years ago but you can see the the pathologist just like with the tomographies radiographies have revealed next next these are the tomographies that have been going around here we have the key to understand also the tracti the the three fingers of Maria this is a hand that we (1:49:46) also analyzed this year we can we found how they do this they use a cotton in the so-call joints they put this um this glue like oo which gives a hardening very interesting hardening this is how they could maybe have manufactured this mummies the next one is there there she is next one doesn't exist any kind of um the the bone is intact like the one of any human being next one the interesting thing here and I um I am sorry uh that the Medics that they do not know H human anatomy the med that analyze this because what you are seeing (1:50:36) here are the feet the mutilated feet of a human of what they have uh from whom they had taken away the some uh Bones from the feet but worst of all in these feet of Maria they uh they put together some bones of the hand of a human hand and if you do not anat know Anatomy if you do not know Anatomy then you should be very careful this should be the first mummy that you see for somebody like us that we have seen mummies for decades this mummy is an archaeological mummy from human proident human origin observe the distance (1:51:20) between the bones of the of the feet this is not normal please please I I really uh the president is speaking right now he uh please I ask of you to do not engage personally with any of the of the participants only through president this is a very controverted and true um topic so the exposition that uh each part are doing and I ask of you to do all of this in this way I I already I'm already uh doing the uh wrapping up this Exposition the deformation in the skull of uh ancient population of Peru is a very it was a (1:52:10) very practiced um thing back then if you do not know this you can see them there they are not from other planet they are uh human skulls elongated skulls that that were deformed these um newborn you can see them um this is this is archaeological material they schulls are being deformed and we do not have any signal anymore here we go again this is FAS Barner he is the (1:53:18) creator of the in a circus where he presented uh strange things people with anomalies but he also presented something that was called the mermaid of CI that was manufactured with the front part of a primate and the anterior part of a fish but this is what they did with um all based in the in lies his phrase was each day a fool is born cedo science is dangerous C science offense C the science Mr President is a danger for our society Mr President especially in medicine this C science is combined with farandula with public Scandal like magic (1:54:09) it doesn't have any scientific uh basic basis see the science in this case is trying to to to tell us another story that the cultures or of the past were not be able to to make the the these mummies and they needed the presence of another planet so that they could make it this is the damage that pseudoscience makes in another part we have the scientists Dr Elsa Tomaso that they have already mentioned them one of the few bioarchaeologists that live in Peru Dr bombardi Salas Dr is less and in the other one we (1:55:02) have we have the slides that we have seen and we don't not have seen anymore a member of this team including biologist no signal again this is something that they repeat once and once again again and um no signal again again C science is Scandal no signal again we still have no signal we will continue (1:56:20) shortly okay we're back what C what catches my attention is that they are still presenting the adults that they destroyed they are adults they're actual adults and we all know that what surprises me is that they even insult Dr seli Dr rid that have Decades of experience no because you haven't seen a a an x-ray you do not know human anatomy please that well that's that's his role his role is to to cause confusion in the public opinion and that's what they are here to do oh they are talking about what they (1:57:10) did in the first um things that they are they were doing because they got some adults and they are adults and we denounced that from the beginning who all of you who have followed all of this research you know perfectly that we have denounced that the dolls actually do exist the little ones that uh the sir was talking about they were found where the real bodies were found we don't not know as like uh ornaments or offerings and we always knew that they were dolls and we have commented that and we have told that we have recognized the (1:57:49) existence of these little dolls but but there are also the ones that are organic that defy explanation like the foot the feet of Maria the experts of Ika they did a uh very deep uh analysis and they concluded that there was not a single mutilation because when you do that when you cut a finger for example they they take out the the the thumb and the pinky then a some sort of stair remains because if you also like for example if you cut it the whole the whole hand with part of the hand then you can see uh that (1:58:33) deformation well we continue now the bodies that the culture of ministry have analyzed that they have had they have nothing to do with the discovery that we have had that they are adults effectively because they had dos they never determined their origin they don't come from the same place but yes please doesn't have anything to do with this discovery they were they were adults that um were there we found eight do eight bodies humanoid tactile bodies of which uh DNA analysis have been done and the DNA is (1:59:31) considered the queen of all uh proof and well we were we are going to listen to radiologist Enrique Carlos Kaya who was commissioned by the commission of uh culture from the hospital austo herandez Mendoza with whom I had the chance to talk to yesterday that after making the research of the bodies of Maria and wa especially Maria this is what he told me about the body of Maria we have to see signs that if you say that they are amputated that maybe they refractor the the bones or something like that there is no (2:00:28) any sign of that but that there is the but that there are some bones missing we have seen that now this merits a parage that we do not does not correspond to us to pronounce we're just doing the radiologic study of what we are seeing and what we can uh we have been able to do with the software that has been described so the technological part helps us uh have a judgment but there's been re research of what happened with the number of uh bones because we have the normal variant of a human body that could not that could not be possible in (2:01:11) a human body but um so you do not see any signs of it to be cut um we cannot uh severe that there is no sign of it to have been fractured for example we could not see any sign of that if it had how could it how would it see if there was any kind of fracture we would be able to see it there would be a a signal of fracture but we do not see any fracture but we do see that there are there's an accumulation that does not that is not in the bones of the fingers of a feet of a foot other one the other extremities they only show three (2:01:58) fingers almost in the same manner as Maria and uh wa so they are natural to say uh in some way um it does not correspond to me to to say that [Music] but and what kind of research is necessary to go go further in this case so I repeat I am just a radi a general radiologist we have done this uh we have done what you what you have asked of us but we do not have a lot of Radiologists and we do not have a Heritage that could be done by a specialist in the in that manner in this kind of of uh topic right thanks a lot to both of you I (2:02:57) thank your participation thanks but as you can see they did not find any sign of the bodies to be altered like the ministry of culture says they are legitimate bodies what the congressman should do is that this bodies they should be given to the best International institutes and so that they can do there the determination of the validity of this disco this discovery because this is the the biggest treasure that Peru has done and it belongs to the inhabitants of NASCAR and palpa the possibility to create a center of research (2:03:40) specialized to analyze these bodies and further the research apart from the called lines of NASCAR that they have been found the one of the most uh important discoveries of History so that people that have limited knowledge and that have a different perspective can try to neutralize or um or delete any kind of bias mdel was the president of the Academy of scientif of forensic Sciences we have no signal Here We Go Again of the United States he just received the prize which is the biggest prize that he could receive in the (2:04:26) area and if he considers that this discovery should be analyzed and investigated further in the best Institutes of the world that's what we ask of the government of Peru that they allow that these uh bodies travel to these institutions to then return to Peru to a an investigation Center are you going to throw this away to the garbage uh friends Peruvian friends to not allow this to be considered one of the motherly societies of the of the world do you realize what you have in your hands I can show eight images of (2:05:05) this of the uh beings that were uh presented up to today tell me if they were mummified or modified why and how I am not here to make money or to make to make me famous or anything I am not ethologist they called me a ethologist I am not I am a journalist I am 50 I have a 55 years of of Journalism I have received uh the best prices in journalism and I've been recognized by journalists of the whole world I'm not a ethologist and you're not going to reduce like that my investigations my investigations are considered very (2:05:40) important in Mexico I have a program from 30 years ago related to different topics and a lot of them journalism so I I declare I am not a ethologist I am a journalist and the only thing that I want is the truth the truth that belongs also to our friends in Peru it's not possible for us to live this that we are debating this in a in the Congress this should be uh given to the best institutions why is it not allowed for this for the best Scientifics for the best scientists in the world to determine if this is truth true or not (2:06:17) this looks like a debate one and another no let's end this make the the third ones the the best people in the world the most qualified people in the world to determine this not any of us who are uh sat here are we going to let that opportunity go is Peru going to let that opportunity go because this is extraordinary for the inhabitants of uh uh palpa and NASCAR to have a a research center that makes people come to them it is very important to consider everything that is happening here it is the time to do this and I hope that you do not throw (2:06:52) this to the garbage and that it really transforms into one of the most important discoveries for the humanity one of the biggest Treasures that have been found in in Peru let's stop from this kind of debates and uh from persons that are limited uh that have limited capabilities and uh let's have this to different uh to the most they do not know what they're saying they are wrong and they do cannot accept they're wrong they're accepting uh adults for them to be presented risking their own Prestige (2:07:28) thanks thanks Mr M um we have lost um we have lost signal we will be back soon we are back to the jury by the way and if and the signal is gone again please bear with us we'll be back in a moment obviously with uh calmly that's what we want here in the commission of culture and in the Congress um we lost the signal again we will be back soon of the Republic we're going to continue announce with your name and what institution you belong to you have the word thanks Mr (2:08:34) Congressman thanks it's the first time that I'm hearing a hearing audience I am Mario SE Torres a journalist of the of phenomena and uh I want to speak more like a citizen I do not want to speak like a researcher I want to speak like a citizen that pays taxes and I'm want to uh to speak in this seven years I've had a uh locu in NASCAR and I think that I'm going to summarize it as a citizen I am disappointed very deeply by the actions of the ministry of culture there is legal anomalies there is (2:09:24) Administrative anomalies there is um incomplete there are incomplete documents without sign there is not there is no authorization of the uh uh former administratives there is there is no signs of the important people that should be there of every government of this uh people I think that the best thing that we could do is the information transparency law that was made in 1906 that any citizen of Peru can ask we lost audio of legal applications these salaries there are saly that comes with transparency and I am not seeing honesty (2:10:28) here and I think that one of the things that we have to do is that from now on we have to go to the other side of the river and battle for the truth for the infinite truth these legal issues has already been done in the past and I'm going to say it the government of alasco prized the case of uh the stones of EA and they jailed a that person and this can be updated and if you you sign here then you will be able to say that the the stones were fake and the same thing happened with for example warries by an astronomist that destroyed part of the (2:11:29) lines of NASCAR they were destroyed more more of 30 were destroyed where was the ministry of culture there nobody said nothing what happened there that is why that the citizens of Peru we need to gather and make groups of control and fiscalization to the function of the functionaries of the ministry of culture what does the minister of culture say right now it would be important to know it would be important to know that the president dinard uh gives an opinion about this I think that this this is important enough (2:12:05) and it shouldn't be possible for a someone as important as her uh to not give an opinion and she has to do it because she is a public uh she's a public figure and in another in another hand theology is not a pseudo science the Congress of 2019 we have we have spoken to the to people of the Pentagon that have filmed uh objects of 15 minute of 15 meters and this is a truth so I say that we should uh battle for the truth thanks effectively the objective of this Union of this reunion is to battle against ignorance the best way (2:12:54) to to say is to do and that's what we know consequence I now give the word to ernandez from the University of EA good now with everything I uh greet everyone here I think this debate is being held that should be done this should be an at this level I am Edgar adanes uh who has been in charge of the research of uh the body Maria I am an anatomist of more than 30 years I know Anatomy I once listened to an Anthropologist of a worldwide uh thing and she said that we speak about a lot of Bones and we not really know about Bon said what she said and (2:13:53) this is the research that we have been doing I have published scientific articles scientific papers and you should know please please I will have to to suspend your hearing to suspend the hearing if you do not I I ask for forgiveness I I am sorry friend I am sorry I will have to to suspend this this hearing or to close this hearing if you cannot uh respect each other I have the slides if you can please give them please I am speaking uh Maria we have researched her at a general level this is controversial you could say that (2:14:53) I am sorry they are anomalies mulations as you can say but you cannot say uh the same uh discoveries to a single person and they can be elongated and we do not we know that elongation was practiced but it cannot happen that when the when you desort the a skull you cannot change the volume of the skull and we have demonstrated that this is almost 30% um bigger than uh than normal human schools and you cannot do that the volume cannot be um because bigger volume means bigger um brain tissue I don't have times I'm going to (2:15:42) go forward next one please these are the articles that have been published they on the internet you can see them in the and it published this year the next one please the next one in the skull here the proportion of volume between the skull and the face should be one to one in this one we have seen all the Medics we have done a point score points which is technical science with scientific fundaments the next one with this with his Medics we have seen that there is a volume 30% higher this is a proportion one to three to one (2:16:33) which is not normal for a human this is a considerable um this is considerable more mass for a human skull and this has been used in science and this angle has been heightened and 108 so it's not even a bit it's a it's a protrusion that is very very noticeable which is very severe and this is the other case the next one which happens the same with the jaw the jaw is very up to the front which is this is very important look at the the degrees this is like 80 degrees it's very important this is the view that we can (2:17:22) uh have from a a 3D reconstruction of this these two entities is very strange right we have the skull we have the uh ey globes that are bigger than they should be the next one this is an ocular protrusion in the spine it also has wounds but she's missing a vertebrae well I'm going to finish with my participation that in the arm she has an exaggeration in the separation between the two bones of the arm that is more similar to a gorilla than to a human because the gorilla have the separation between these two (2:18:09) bones and it is similar to the gorilla anatomic anatomically speaking and it has uh human uh characteristics but also uh Comm minuted characteristics I don't have any more time to say all the other stuff that I should be saying but thanks a lot for your time we lost connection we'll be back as soon as we get signal go ahead please you have the word identify yourself and the institution you represent thanks thanks a lot I am biologist Ricardo Rangel I have more than 27 years of experience in immon genetics and histo (2:19:01) compatibility and regenerative medicine I have done the interpretation of the results of the sequencies the genetic sequen of these organisms and I want to comment that inside the criteria the scientific criteria for the identification of organisms the DNA tests are the motherly tests they are the biggest ones and they are included uh that's why they are included in uh criminological uh debates to even make sentences for people that are involved in crimes so uh very important research has been developed in the uh sequen in a (2:19:40) laboratory from Canada which has um thrown millions of uh lecture sequences that from the small beings like Maria the being that is that is put into question lot put into doubt that they say that is something manufactured which from my point of view is something completely uh mistaken I think that you should do a a more deep analysis but what we have found in Maria is that she has aspects related to the genetics of primates from pus and paniscus which are uh well we come uh directly from the hominid uh line seven million years ago (2:20:30) and we have been studying all of these descendants which are questioning all of this but I want to commment you that this H genetics information that is in Maria is modern information from approximately at least 1.5 million years ago when the when the the evolution is branching away when we are branching away from chimpanzees and how is that in an African genome is present in a a in a sample in America this much time ago and also has some uh some ascendants from uh China how is a mummy that is in America has this kind of of ascendance and uh (2:21:17) genetic information and we also found that there is an infection from Maria in part from uh from a bacteria that is only found in uh the T Fly in Africa how can a pathogen from that is exclusive from the central zone of Africa in an organism that is found in in South America I think that from that point of view we have to give the benefit of the doubt giving the benefit of the down to the um to all the those present here we have to uh put more research here to understand what is happening here it is very important to understand that the (2:21:58) this organism we need to make more uh research regarding the genetics of these organisms and it is worth it very importantly thanks a lot distinguished friend I think that your words are uh spoken correctly and now the final word for the congressman to Mr Joyce Mana thanks uh president you have three minutes perfect president Congress and all the assistants when I was involved in this case I did it with doubts because I saw that these bodies were very strange these doubts and the skepticism that we have as journalists make us uh (2:22:46) go in the search of of answers after the first analysis that were made in K with the forensics that came from Mexico and United States we lost signal we'll come back as soon as we get our signal back in Russia we found that this was a a truly wonderful discovery that we could um and I could see a lot of bodies that we could that were not human and I give all the reason to the the people of um the public Minister because what they have done is to study uh Dolls There's a big difference they do not know the bodies that are actually (2:23:34) organic we have lost audio we will resume with the interpretation and translation as soon as the audio comes back please sit tight we'll come back in a minute moment please be patient we'll come back whenever the audio signal comes back to us here we are uh unfortunately we lost the audio in the presentation of Joy Vana yes that's right and um well finally this it is very important to mention that in some hours a little later through the social media of uh of Kim Maan you will be able to find the complete version and (2:24:42) of course the analysis uh surrounding this hearing that of course uh once more uh this is coming to the light as well the minister of culture is still in this um squared Manner and very closed off to possibilities and Joyce man Mana said something very important the teachers the scientists Experts of the ministry of culture have been uh taken bases only in the Dos that they have researched which we all know have DOS which I think and they say that this is the proof that everything else is not true and that itself is not true and they (2:25:24) said that that Maria had been amputated which is just a down it's it's just a lie how can somebody that has Decades of experience that um that has advocated himself to fix uh hands that have been injured that he could not notice that the hands were amputated that's just unacceptable just with the prop with the purpose of disqualify and the chemical uh composition of these beings and these um these metal plates we we know that they are um Alloys that are amazing and that do not correspond to the to (2:26:09) the to the to the time and they these guys didn't do this test and this is in the Institute of Poly Technical National where they could see where uh what metals were these and osmium is a very rare material they did not know that in that in that time uh I I want to ask a question Ruben would they have like uh have they budgeted anything have they spent any money in this research because it's very it's very easy have you seen them in um invest in this sort of tests we are seeing now one of the new bodies this is (2:26:57) a new body it has not been presented before and this is an an even bigger finding than you think it is it and it is treati in hands and feet it's like Maria this is a being that is very strange because the the jaw is is not as portr us with Maria but we are seeing you can see the nails and you can see even hair we're seeing uh beings that were created so uh there could be variations from one to another and uh with the uh with the question have you seen that the ministry of culture has uh invested any kind of money any more than (2:27:45) any important sum of money like Canada did with the DNA sequence it that's that's costly and why would you do that for for for dolls it has no sense it makes no sense we have to take this to the USA um we have taken this to to USA universities wouldn't they notice if if this were uh fake of course they would and well they they just don't want to accept this why would they not want to they they laugh they are laughing they they making fun of us and they even had the they even they even said these are (2:28:28) images that are going around the internet he did nothing of the research how much time and money have they invested what they have really done I think it's really wrong of them I don't um I I'm not uh debating their education or anything of that but this is not the methodology that they should follow now why would wouldn't they analyze the other ones mcdow's analyzed mdow analyzed um in depth Maria and he is very impact he's very surprised by Maria and he would have noticed if that was a (2:29:09) doll and he would have he would have gotten off the belt as soon as as he noticed and he would have he could have even uh filed the lawsuit and he didn't he want to studied this further because he found that this is bigger than he than we are thinking yes and we uh we see that in this um squared form of thinking we see that the minister of culture are still in the argument and there is no disposition but what really matters is or I think is what that is what determine what determines the the congressman the (2:29:50) minister of culture is something apart I still have the Hope Oh there's they're speaking again we have audio again and to get to clear results it's important to differentiate the bodies that have been presented here because we recognize that there exists do manufactured dots but not all of them are are like that it's a bad (2:30:59) purpose to show the bodies that are not the best ones these are a disservice to the people of Buu and to the ethical purposes it's the purpose of the ministry of culture to protect the objects the bodies that belong to the National patrimony in our brief study we have not got to conclusions but we would like to work with Peruvian scientists and international (2:32:09) scientists we know that these bodies are special and unique we should start with genetic uh tests and carbon 14 to get to the results thank you for the time thank you I congratulate you for your intervention now we're going to give the word to Congressman Victor Flores so that he can give some commentary thanks a lot Mr President I am here can I can you hear me yes okay I am here because I have also felt the Curiosity two years ago I was in EA and in (2:33:12) EA I didn't find I just saw what uh in what I'm going to now and it results that pseudoscience actually exists and I do not say that but PUD science exists and in Peru and in Mexico that we have Latin roots Spanish and very proudly of it practically we don't have the same pseudo science by other hand I've I've heard that there's there are dozens of these being well I have counted I think at least uh 12 or uh 10 but the dozens is to talk about more of a 30 or 40 or 50 I don't know in another (2:34:05) hand there are journalists and journalists so that we cannot uh lie about there are journalists that have uh fabricated interests and journalists that do not and I think that that is very clear here humanoid who told you that these were extraterrestrial or stuff we were they just said that they were humanoid human appearance this is the well this is because of the gravity of the of the planet therefore I'm not going to explain this right now because I would need a lot of time when someone speaks of this they apparently (2:35:08) have the truth but we have to make Judgment of it because not because they speak with technicalities they have the the truth I have seen some uh x-rays where there are Parts very dense very white of course and I don't think that the eggs are denser than the bones I put that just to have some criteria as well to the Mr um uh so that you can have more arguments there are there's bone asymmetry I think that's very relevant the bones should have continuity beginning and end they cannot be cut or asymmetrical by any (2:36:03) means another thing they speak of DNA if they are extraterrestrial beings would they respond to human um but they respond to human parameters of uh human DNA maybe they don't even have genes or any other configuration so these beings it is possible that we have to check them again in another hand Mr President K Manon man was 40,000 years old he's very a humanoid and it's really a human being uh MiFi we do not know I do not know but for that we have carbon 14 and of those bodies (2:37:09) well uh with more criteria if they are armed or not I want to finish Mr President with a little refle section the color of the findings if we find the I have seen two two photos a photo of a mummy and another one and those um and and those that are supposedly uh mummified that one is um orange white and another one is natural mummified color so we Al have to have some criteria here if we see the um if we see the mommy of tutam Baya have asked would they have been um white I do not think so uh in another hand Mr President and I (2:38:05) think with this I want to finish off there are there are bones of of birds if to know if they are birds then we just need to use the technology we have that is very clear and finally uh camel schools of course we can compare them I am not here to debate anything just to to make use of Common Sense and the common sense tells me that necessarily I have to stop using the technical uh speech for the euphology or Pudo science like they mentioned just to apply the common sense and real science and the fact that it had been uh (2:38:47) published in a scientific magaz in it does not give us the uh the fact that there has been research behind that and we have just had in the country for those who do not know a a scandal of a farm of scientists if you did not know and finally Mr President to have these uh remains to the uh to the foreign I would not be opposed to that but I do oppose to to take it for the to the foreign something that we can analyze ourselves and to make the foreign to make themselves um I love stock thank you Mr President thanks a lot thanks a lot (2:39:58) Congressman distinguished friends we are going to receive finally the uh words of Congress of Congressman Ki thanks Mr President as always Within respect the exchange of points of view I think that this this public hearing um in the commission of (2:41:05) culture has uh committed its objective the objective is to hear to listen the man of science the men of science the different opinions the convergent convergent but finally important the Congress uh different points of view with criteria uh distances have been marked positions have been marked and I think that because of that this is a success I want to congratulate our visitors here National and uh International that were able to make the effort to make this hearing a reality about this topic and that finally uh make us (2:42:09) see that there is a will to unify experiences uh professionalism of different sectors and that we can have this space to continue with the research if at the end this research leads to they are not or that they are the science is going to tell and secondly is that we also have to see it like the archaeologist said to have a teristic uh aisle we need to put a lot of of uh requisites that it has to to to make one of those that fundamentally is one of the objectives that we have I uh we have um I want to thank everyone for this (2:43:03) predisposition to dialogue when sometime uh ago um we lost the signal we will be back soon please SE tight we will continue as soon soon as we get the signal back please be patient we'll continue shortly we are still waiting for the signal we (2:44:07) will continue as soon as we receive it well here we are in what looks like the final mile in this hearing of Peru and well uh very uh very disappointing with what is happening with uh this uh this country well the opposition that exists uh within the government itself but uh we're back to the Congress this is a a question about it's been open about it from one on another part they believe to have the truth and they surely have it because one they have done their research some a little bit subjective but there is (2:45:09) certainly a question and a worry and this worry is important and this worry is of every single part of the community of Peru EA ascar and the world and in consequence this is an important topic so we are not going to leave it like this I want to Value the expositions of uh our attendees here John the participation of John McDowell and also from the lawyer who have done a very important reference is to make a collaborative research with the SC with the Peruvian scientists This research signifies to make all the efforts to (2:46:02) precisely to have the case to enable new discoveries if it's necessary and to believe in the science and that's why we should make a scientific research with these Peruvian scientists with the approval of Peruvian uh institutions and uh other institutions like cesco or other so I feel very satisfied I don't know a lot of the topic but I I do have an inclination and I'm not going to tell you but but we really need is to conclude hopefully with um collaborative uh research it's been a little tense in (2:46:52) some um spaces and it's understandable because there is passion in in the topic but uh be calm um we lost the signal we'll be back shortly thank you for your patience we will be continuing as soon as we get the signal we'll be back with the table (2:48:05) again we are back here in the final mile and I think that to conclude to make some conclusions some preliminary conclusions we can uh say that that was the objective of the hearing to make a calling to collaboration that is true it's very important because when you have a an idea a bias idea it's very difficult to get to the truth and it is important to get together and to get to the font of to the bottom of this and uh results have been given and it's not from a single person it's from a multi-disciplinary group and if they (2:48:47) haven't wanted to get into those studies to check them to speak with the part is because there's some sort of of bias here because they believe that nothing that uh nothing that anybody says is going to uh to say to convince me otherwise and we say well what are they that limits us a lot and I believe that the ministry of culture is very limited in that sense and in in Peru one thing in Peru there isn't a single laboratory that has the DNA H sequences and that's why it had to be sent to Canada to (2:49:35) Canada and they don't have the tools to be able to to tell this is like this now you you know a lot of the research and um what does that mean because I don't think that the ministry of culture knows that well really what someone uh checks it and it goes to a platform to be critiqued so the only thing they they they do is this is and okay let's check it you you check it and then then you can find so this is a finding of of a high scientific level you publish it it has to be checked by other specialists of your same level or (2:50:21) more that uh qualified this discovery very limited the uh the mentality of this Deputy sephin Flores because they say not because you speak with tech technicalities you are a scientist and I think that I think that applies in both ways that is a boomerang comment because effectively the ministry of culture apparently does not is not going to move their argument and this is a calling specifically for our friends in Peru I liked a lot the intervention of of this this person that says I am a Peru Citizen and there are there's a lot of (2:51:12) anomalies that we also have to check we have the right as peruvians for this to be done correctly they need to ask for it a revision of the case not just to to depend on the ministry of culture the people of Peru have the right to ask the government Clarity in all of this for a moment consider if this is real what it means for you in Peru really this is this is something that was found in Peru and that depends of the peruvians so let's suppose that they study it in the foreign but it should be allowed officially and legally that's why John (2:52:02) McDowell asks for it so that it can be done correctly if it is demonstrated without a doubt that it is authentic what does that mean for Peru this is a mind of gold really specifically for the historical question because we're talking about The Encounter of something very important these beings that wear somehow a product of someone or something that we do not know where it is where it comes from nobody has said they are extraterrestrials but what are they how are they formed that was an attack from the part (2:52:43) of the ministry of culture the researchers the doctors had analyzed this never said that they were aliens so those were just uh suppositions that was nothing based in science the science was to study the bones that everything the anatomy they talked about aliens but this is a real body that is subject to to study to research of every any person and in an objective way you do not have to suppose anything you do not have to guess anything well now we're concluding I can say that something that really exasperates me is that (2:53:24) until even the skeptical that do not accept that these are real bodies organic bodies that had life even they they should they should uh push this to for it to have more research so that if it is false it can be proven false I don't know why they are opposed to it they are the ones who should push for even more research imagine if you if you put it to to Harvard or any other university they should be able to discover the truth with Cutting Edge Equipment the scientists with the most uh experience they should be able to discover the (2:54:06) truth to enable the research that's what should happen and in conclusion uh we are really seeing the ignorance again that ignorance does not uh allows the advance advancement but we are actually going forward in a very steady Pace the analysis the um the interest from the part of a lot of scientists and experts that have found that this is beyond what people think and I think that the results are going to be incredible and fascinating and I I really thank Mr K because with a lot of passion [Music] he defends the truth and as a team we (2:54:54) are of course with him and with all the experts that that are analyzing and uh giving a voice to this case we are here all like a team thanks and uh I think that we should get to the bottom of this I make an invitation to the to our Peruan friends and the whole world that have the Curiosity that want to know to help us and to push this so that we can get to the truth if it's not true then we are be then we will be able to to see that this is not true but these other people want to to just close the file on (2:55:29) this and no we have to get to the bottom of this so friends it depends a lot on you who are watching us in Peru you should make pressure you should make pressure on your government to allow and enable research that's right so when we talk about a uh a touristic site in NASCAR to create a richer Research Center surrounding these bodies so that it can be a benefit to the population and the presti of Peru it happened with Egypt with Egypt that in a large part its economy is based off in um tourism based on the (2:56:20) millenary culture that you can find there and if you can confirm that they are real that we are sure that they are this should be enabling for the whole world but now now we are uh now we should uh conclude all of this uh rapidly you say these bodies were uh hidden in some uh caves and were cover covered with diatoms that protects them uh most likely whoever made that was thinking of the future it's probably like some sort of uh time machine some time capsule that is buried in the ground and this is the future that they (2:57:10) were expecting so we'll we'll see what happens so the the last word has not been said and remember that in some hours here in Maan TV in all our social media you can find the whole version the analysis the Articles surrounding this historical hearing I am voro Carlos Clemente and GMO Lopez and all the uh all the team of production led by Antonio Hernandez