GRUSCH STEPS IN - Pentagon Can't Hide THIS ANYMORE

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Hey, UFOligers. In a groundbreaking development, former intelligence officer David Grush has stepped into a pivotal role as a senior advisor to Representative Eric Burleson's team. And with his security clearance reinstated and his... Extensive knowledge of non-human craft and retrieval programs, Grush might stand at the forefront of UFO disclosure efforts. From his explosive congressional testimony to his claims of exotic vehicles and non-human biologics, Grush's new position could finally force the Pentagon to confront decades of secrecy. Today, we'll be diving into what this appointment means for UFO disclosure and why the timing couldn't be more critical. I'm Christina Gomez, and like you, I have questions, and like you, I want answers. And with each episode together, we will peel away the layers to look for the truth. Jimmy, happy Thursday. I know, so quick, right? Man, what are you doing? I'm sipping coffee. I'm getting my head together. And just considering the impact. of what it is to be a ufologer. Yeah, that's what I'm doing around here. It's official now. It's official. Ufologer. I love it. It's perfect. Absolutely perfect. Now, hello, everyone, and great episode today. Great idea. Because we are live, we can break stuff, right? Right? Like this. This is a huge story. And to be able to, you know, going back historically and, you know, what this show is even titled, right? Mysteries with the History. I got it right, by the way. You know, normally we're going backwards. Right now we're in real time. I mean, this is breaking, breaking news. So I don't have to ask my question. Where did you come up with this week, you know, Christy? Because this is breaking news, like right now. And I don't know how you want to approach this because there's so much here to talk about and why this is such a big deal. So I'm going to follow your lead and see where you want to start with this because I have got a ton of things to say. Where do you want to start? I think we should definitely start off with Eric Burleson appointing him as senior advisor for his team. Because it's breaking, that's where we should start. And CR, thank you so much for the super chat. And if you're enjoying the show, hit that like button right down below as well. Hey, and share this video, share this link on your media platform of choice, because as Jimmy had mentioned, this is breaking news. This is also very interesting, and we're seeing this unfold in real time. Is it going to benefit the conversation of UFO disclosure, or will it hinder it? We're going to be covering that here today. And what we know from Eric Burleson as of recently, just in the last few days, He made a public announcement today. There was a press release that is titled Rep. Burleson Welcomes Former U.S. Air Force Officer David Grush as Special Advisor. And he's going to be a part of the team for the next four months. FYI, the declassification of Secrets Task Force created by Ana Paulina Luna is only six months long. And it started, what, in February, I believe. So the time is racking up very quickly. And so starting off with this time frame, why four months? Is that a sufficient amount of time to get stuff done? And Zen brings up a really interesting point in the comments, says, I do wonder about Gresh's four-month term with Burleson. Is four months a congressional or a legal limit for someone like Rush? Or is it by mutual agreement? Jimmy, what do you think about this? Well, that's a great point. And that's a great place to start because I was going to bring this up. I'm going to bring it up for a couple of reasons. One, it appears Rush is an employee. He's getting paid. Okay. He is part of the staff for Burleson and Burleson had said, this is for my staff. This is for me. Grush is with me, not with the committee. And these are huge points to bring up. And so with an employment situation, what, what are, what is built around that? What are the qualifications for that? Is it that it's four months and that's it? When I thought about this, do they need four months or do they just need four days with Grush? You know what I mean? Get everything out of them that you need. Burleson said a couple of points, and then I want to go back to some of the testimony, of course, from Grush and why this is so important. Burleson said, I need to know what questions to ask. That was a great thing to mention on News Nation. That was huge. I need to know what to ask. And Burleson said, even though I tried to remain skeptical and objective on the subject, to do my job, I need to know what to ask because I am not an expert. I need to bring in the expert. And these are his words, right? And that's some great humility right there as well, just to state out loud, I like this topic, but I don't know enough about it. Absolutely. And Burleson, again, made another point. We have so much to discuss. There's so much to unpack. with what Burleson just, and the press release today. But Burleson said, look, it comes down to his testimony that I listened to and started to unravel all of that. But going beyond that, again, these are Burleson's words. It's his qualifications. It's his work background. It's extraordinary. He's been totally vetted, and I have to admire his background and the respect that he has from everybody that has worked with him. That's very, very important where Burleson is immediately out front putting Grush's qualifications and CV and history right out there in front that that is what is most important is that I have somebody here that is credible, that we respect. And that's what he put on David Grush. Somebody that said little green men and flying saucers. That's a big deal. It is, and it's because of Grush that we now use in our vocabulary non-human biologics. Michael, thank you so much for the super chat. I don't know who Crust is, but I know you're not referring to myself. And Jimmy, love you both. Will you be covering the news on the pyramids in the future? Jimmy, I think you covered that, right? That's... not to get too sideways here. It's a big story. It's gone viral. What, what, what has been deduced from the data that has been presented is one thing. And then we have the theories and fantasy that I have of what this could be, because it could be anything in your mind just goes. So I have the feeling we're going to be covering this for quite a while. We're talking about the pyramids and, the structures that have possibly been discovered underneath it with SAR radar technology. Okay, moving on back to Grush. OK, well, I want to mention this. It was because of Burleson that Grush got his clearance reinstated. And this was kind of brushed by the media to the point that even I forgot. But it took place in November of twenty twenty three. So right after the congressional hearing in July of twenty twenty three, he did not have his clearance reinstated. Burleson really tried pushing for it and he ended up getting it reinstated. Now, the question is, how long will it be reinstated for? Is it that four month period that he's a part of the team is when his clearance is going to end? You know, there are so many gaps right there. And also what's shocking is that right after the congressional hearing, Grush practically disappeared from the media. He did an interview here and there. He's on the news just barely like once or twice. His conference at the SALT conference, his speech was canceled last minute last year. And so, like, we haven't really seen him until Eric drops the bomb and says he's a part of my team and he's a senior advisor. Now, with the limited information that we have about Grush, not only his background, but the explosive statements that he's made, I would like to see how they're going to lead Burleson's team forward. in the direction that they do because. Grush had spoken about crash retrieval programs that the US is in possession of crashed craft. There are a few incidents that have taken place that have sparked his fancy, like in Italy, then of course you have Roswell, and then you have the Malmstrom Air Force Base incident, just to name a few things that he has stated. Also, the injuries that people have encountered attempting to interact with debris or crashed craft as well. Hopefully, hopefully the conversations that Grush and Burleson have will be made public, maybe through like the new task force files. Maybe we'll get another congressional hearing that Ana Paulina Luna was trying to push for for March twenty sixth. And that came and left and we've got no news on that whatsoever. It'd be nice if Grush would actually be a panelist for that next congressional hearing. What's important to look at with what you just suggested is a couple of the issues that came up that were huge issues that came up with David Grush in that first hearing. was revealing the names and addresses and the corporations and entities that would be in possession with these craft and working on reverse engineering programs and also the biologics, right? The NHIs, he even said pilots was one of the words that he used. And of course, it was suggested that they do it in a skiff, in a secured room, in a secured environment. And he said, we do that and I can do it. That never happened. They were never given the skiff, apparently, to collect this information. Does that, Christina, change with Burleson? Now that Grush is back in the fold and is an employee of the staff, of Burleson's staff, Does that enable them to exchange top secret and confidential information like that, that Grush had already turned over to the IG? And this information could then get into Burleson's office going back to. uh, via a skiff, uh, that, uh, secured environment, which this would be, uh, I would say, uh, this would qualify as top secret and very confidential information. Is that possible? And that would, would that assist Burleson again in asking questions and also in future invitations to individuals to come and testify before the House and the Senate that would be officers of said corporations that are in possession of these craft that was brought in from information from David Grush. I think this is very, very, very important. And we have to really look at this. Does that change things with the, uh, I said change and exchange of information that Grush said that he's in possession of, uh, we need to really take a look at this. And I, for me, uh, it there's light at the end of the tunnel here. I think it's a big chess move, uh, by Burleson and his staff. It is. It was one that I wasn't expecting but always hoping for. I think Grush is a great asset. And he was not only thrown to the wolves right after the congressional hearing, but then forgotten about. The only person that really remembered him was Luna, who kept stating, you know, I want him on the panel. I want him on the task force. I want to reinstate his clearance. I want him in a skiff. And she would constantly bring up Grush. So... What I found remarkable is that Burleson took Rush under his wing, or like in this case, like in his office. Why didn't Luna do that? All great questions. After that hearing, okay, so let's back up. We watched, we didn't know what was, there he is right there. We watched everybody come in and raise their right hand, right? And at that point, you're under sworn testimony. Okay. Now, with David Fravor, it's a different situation. He can swear, but he's already stated. And all Fravor did was recount the Nimitz Tic Tac event. All right. That's right. Fair enough. Graves. With him, again, he wasn't actually a witness to anything, but he talked firsthand to pilots that did see things and as a pilot and his organization to elevate the safety of pilots and what's going on in the airspace and everything. and identifying these UAP. That was great. So that's easy to swear on. Okay. All right. You're not necessarily going outside the lines. Now let's get to Grush. Grush literally said to those elected officials that the United States government is in possession of flying saucers and is actively reverse engineering that technology. when pushed further on that issue what about who was flying them grush said well we have the pilots too and that is extraordinary to be under oath now with burleson today How do you take this a step further and increase the scope of this investigation? You know what you do? You take that guy. You take David Grush, who had the courage to come in with his background and everything else, to come in, raise his right hand and say these extraordinary things. that nobody has ever heard before, let alone in a house chamber under oath. Christina, this is a big deal. So what do you do? You bring them on the team. You bring him on the team. Burleson is absolutely right. The things that David Grush said, nobody was prepared for, including the public and the media. These were extraordinary things. So where can Grush help Burleson not only look in certain directions, but ask very direct questions for very specific answers? That's what you do. You bring in David Grush. The play has been made. These are exciting times. They are. And the most important thing about these questions that Grush might end up giving the team is asking the right questions, the properly worded questions. Because those on the other end that have the knowledge to give those answers, they're going to be doing sentence word jiu-jitsu. right, that they're going to finagle their way out of giving a proper answer. But with Grush knowing what he does from our limited knowledge, he can hopefully lead the team into the right direction of, you need to ask the question exactly like this, that there is no wiggle room to give a non-direct answer. And in June of He stated that the U.S. possesses quite a number of non-human vehicles potentially originating from extra dimensions rather than necessarily extraterrestrial sources. So I would say in the last few years, really, the idea of interdimensionals has become a lot more prevalent than the terrestrial idea that these UFOs that are being seen are nuts and bolts, they're coming from a different planet, and they are traversing here maybe forever. through their very unique technology, using exotic matter, opening portals and things like this. But he's stating, maybe they're interdimensional. But he had also stated that despite never personally witnessing non-human intelligence, Grush maintains that he is convinced by testimony from credible witnesses because he interviewed, in a four-year period, he interviewed about in close proximity to Kraft, heard some very strange stories. And one part that really throws people off about Grush were the statements made by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick before he resigned and passed the baton to Dr. John Koslowski. And they had two very opposing statements where Arrow said, We tried contacting him. He stood us up. He didn't want to talk to Arrow. And then Grush, on the other hand, under oath during the congressional hearing, states Arrow has my phone number. They have my email. They never wanted to contact me. They never really took me seriously. And in this case, who do you believe? Because it's really just. He said, she said, right? No, no, no, no. Let me stop you. Christina, let me stop you right there. If Grush says something to somebody, that leaves it open for them to do something about it or to react. It's easier on the end to say, I didn't know. I didn't talk to him. Okay? So, no, they don't want to hear anything. What is cut because then they have to turn around. Did you, did you go, did you talk to this person? He gave you these names and you need to be able to, if you want to protect yourself from getting in deeper, you are going to say, no, no, never. No, no. Didn't talk to him. And that's a very important point. And the other thing, probably taking things a huge step further. It's, it's one thing to talk about, uh, witnesses that you've interviewed. What evidence is Grush in possession of? Okay. When you are steering questions in the right directions, like you said, laser pointed on specific answers, before you ask those questions, you need to back up for yourself, for the future, what these questions are based on. So is Grush handing over evidence to Burleson's office? Hard copies, paperwork. Not only those names and addresses, but the very specific details of all of these statements that he has made. Is that now in Burleson's office? That's a big, big, big deal. You have to have confidence when you're asking these questions. You can't just go in willy-nilly and go, okay, let's talk about the little green men. No, it doesn't work that way, right? So what is it that Grush, not only, again, Burleson's words to help with asking the right questions, but you need to support those questions so later you're not questioned on it, that you didn't know what you were talking about. You didn't have any basis for asking these questions. Yeah, we did. And here it is right here. This is what we got from David Grush. And I'll say it again. That's what he brings to the table. Well, from what we know so far, Grush has not been part of a skiff. So passing that kind of data over from our limited knowledge, that would have to happen in a skiff. You would think so just because Grush and those around him have been so tight-lipped where it's been shown on a public level that whatever Grush wants to say has to be done behind closed doors. And no one has guaranteed him a skiff that we know of. It might have happened behind the scenes and it wasn't made public. Okay, like that's definitely a possibility. But the things that you had mentioned about passing over the paperwork, the data, the evidence, make that possible. hand the goods over because he had mentioned the existence of a multi-decade program involving specific corporations and funding misappropriations. And then he even described recovered materials as possessing unusual properties, including anomalous isotopic ratios and heavy atomic metals as well. And Grush has also noted that workers involved handling these materials have suffered injuries due to nuclear weapons, radiological and biological risks, expressing his belief that academic research could benefit from access to these materials. And that would be nice to have on paper, to find the isotopic numbers to give us an understanding of what are these people really dealing with? I mean, for myself personally, I want to see the medical records like that's a really fascinating part. Right. And so he's making all of these big claims with nothing backing it up. Now, could that change in the next four months? That time frame, I feel like, is just so limited. The way that, for instance, FOIA reports work, they take forever. The Pentagon is usually moving at snail mail pace. It's horrible. And is that by design to slow it down? Now that we know that he's on a time crunch, people... that don't want this information to come out, I can assume here, will make it as difficult for him as possible so that he does not get any information until the deadline is over. Now, all great points. Here's my Pandora's box. Not only with that deadline, if I was Burleson, I wouldn't have announced this until April second. Okay. Why do you say that? Let's hear it. Because Burleson announced that Grush will be joining us April first. He's not on the team yet. He's joining April first. You make that announcement on April second, yesterday, David Grush became a part of our staff. Now we have, uh, uh, three or four today's the twenty-seventh, um, today's Thursday. So we have, uh, and the press release came out today. So we have Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, five days for reaction. Five days for somebody to run interference. Five days to stop this. Five days for something, some interference and something to come in between. You know, for us in this community and myself, we're jumping up and down and yelling touchdown, right? That this is great. And it is. I would have waited. to make this announcement. I would have waited until a pen was to paper. Everything was official. Um, and, uh, what about protections and, and other things right now, Grush is still technically private citizen, right? Um, I, I would have waited. You don't want to, there are too many people, Christina, that don't want this to happen. Let's be honest, right? And we'll do everything that they can now that they know what the play is to run interference and to shut this down. I would have made the announcement on the second. I wouldn't have even done it on the first. I would have done it on the second. We would have enjoyed it just as much then as we are today. It's just that there's too many opposite forces in play here that I can tell you. Unless, Jimmy, it was by design. Well, we always have to be in the shadows. Sure, sure, sure. Pull up out early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's three-D chess for sure. I have no idea the complexity of politics in Washington, D.C. Just to get stop signs in your neighborhood. You know, what do you have to go through? And the red tape, right? And then you get into something like this. You are making moves because you have to be three, four, five steps ahead of everybody else that's out there all the time, all day long. Absolutely. So one would ask if you go that route. was it by design? Well, then if it was by design, then there's something that motivated that there was some instigator, there was some progenitor behind that. And then you have to flip it back to your side, right? So suddenly, you know, you're always looking three, four, five moves ahead, right? Me, I'd have kept it simple. I'd have made this announcement on April second, uh, to keep the complexities out of play. That's my thing, but I don't know about everything else that is going on. It's complex, complex by design. Okay. Let me throw that at you. If you say, what if it's by design, what would be the mitigating factor? What would be that thing that would force them or have them want to make this announcement five days before it's official? It's kind of like when... In those TV shows, in those kind of like child movies where they place a dummy in the window that's meant to look like the person being persecuted, right? And then the bad guy breaks through the window and hurts the dummy. And then turns out there's cameras everywhere. They're like, ha-ha, gotcha, right? Could this – because I'm being optimistic here – could this be a same kind of deal, making the announcement earlier before he is actually appointed as the senior advisor so that people can come out of the shadows, make their moves too early, and – their Burleson's team is just one, two steps ahead from that. When you're dealing with politics, it's just, you're right. It's three-day dress. It's, it's so complex and you have to have sad to say a very devious mind. I wouldn't even say you have to be smart, which you do, but you have to be like malicious. You got it. You got to think like a criminal. Yeah. Yeah. You got to think like a criminal got to think like a criminal. um for sure now what if we go uh with your suggestion here um maybe okay uh by going early um uh yeah you cause panic in the room right panic at the disco uh for sure but then you force them to expose their hand right now that That's a possibility. That is a possibility. I would put my money on by making this announcement now that the dark forces out there that don't want disclosure and they want this to continue in this setting that we're in now, which is intense top level security on all of this. In fact, it's not even happening. It's not going on. It's that secret, right? that their conversations must be right now, today, centering around, oh man, here we go. He's going to give it up. There's going to be something that we won't be able to respond to. What is it that he may tell Burleson and how may he steer the committee? They must be freaking out, which may be one of the reasons why to do this early instead of after the fact. I mean, where can Grush go that he already hasn't? And I would say there's a lot left on the table that Grush hasn't spoken about. You know, he covered a few very amazing, huge, world-changing things. Right? Right. We've got flying saucers and we've got the pilots who flew them. That's the craziest thing that anybody has ever said in the history of mankind. I mean, it's that big. What could be bigger? Christina, what could be bigger than that? Well, if somebody can make those statements and say those things, I would say they know a lot. Now, does David Grush know the secrets? No, he does not. He does not. Has David Grush been in a hangar or a research facility and went up and touched a craft? No, he hasn't. Has he interviewed people? E T has he, has he seen a frozen body in a test tube? Has he, has he? No, no, he's not one of them. Why? Because we know his name. We talk about that a lot, right? But he can certainly point everybody in the right directions. And what evidence does he have to back that up? That has been presented to him as David Grush interviewed somebody that has touched. a flying saucer. I keep saying flying saucer, so I don't want anybody to misconstrue what I'm trying to say here. All right. I do want to get back to your point about interdimensional, because I think that's a very, very, very important point these days, because we don't know everything. And interdimensional may be a part of the issue. But when I say flying saucer, I need everybody to just fixate on exactly what I'm saying. Nothing that was manufactured by Northrop Grumman or Lockheed Martin, right? This is built somewhere else and not on this planet. So, or at least in this dimension, did David interview anybody that made that contact. Did David interview anybody, a biologist, an anthropologist, a doctor, an MD that studied the pilot's bodies, right? These biologics. And can he then present that information to Burleson and his office? That is what is so key here. It is. It is. And he also mentioned that there's a lot more videos, a lot more UFO videos that should be released more than just the three declassified ones in twenty twenty. Right. And we've heard that before, like people such as Lou Elizondo as well. And it was people on the sidelines that helped push those videos to come out like the gimbal, the go fast, the Tic Tac and so on. Can't grush. Be that little key to give us more videos that he knows are sitting in the archives. Can we see that in the next several months? So there's a lot of optimism here with this information about Grush being a senior advisor to Eric Burleson. People are excited to see what information Grush will share with the task force and the team as well. People are excited that we even know about this information publicly. They could have very easily kept this quiet on the sidelines until the very end. Why talk about it at all? But Ana Paulina Luna and Eric Rolston had mentioned that they want to be really transparent on this topic. The people deserve to know what is going on. And I am completely with them on that. And yet, it's a catch-twenty-two. Is this... going to benefit us? Is it going to hinder us? Are we even going to receive any information at the end of the day? There was optimism with the Arrow office when that was created in twenty twenty two. I was on the bandwagon of optimism and heavily disappointed. Some of the reports were like decent, but still pretty bad. Are we going to be left with that same sour taste in our mouths with this new task force? Because according to Nancy Mays, who was the congressional chairwoman in the last UFO hearing, while Ana Paulina Luna is looking at UFOs, it's the last on her list of importance compared to all the other things that her and her team are investigating. Is that heavily going to affect us, the public, on getting information? Or are we still going to get something at the end of the day after this four, six-month period? Yeah, because things are quickly being divided into two categories. Stuff that gets here from outside of our star system, right? extraterrestrial craft from a planet that is out there in the universe somewhere or in our Milky Way? Or is it just coming from the left or from the right from another dimension and is just appearing here? Now, that's a whole other concern. And my, how do you chase down that information? How do you, I would venture to guess That the world could handle ET, extraterrestrial, okay? To tell the world that we have interdimensional parallel worlds around us where stuff is just coming and going all day long. I don't think the world could handle that. I truly don't. Are you? Oh, no, no, no. That that's, that's insane. Okay. But we can understand a flying saucer with a couple of dudes in it or do debts. You know, we, we can under, we, we have been dealt that for so long and we understand the size of the universe and how many planets are that we understand this, you know, it's taken a minute, but now everybody's starting to wrap their head around the size of the universe and how many planets are out there. And how much life exists out there. It's just a huge amount. All right. That's a whole nother ball game to go. Well, and then we have infinite worlds to the right and infinite worlds to the left. Stuff is coming through all the time, man. What? No, no, no. I don't think the world is ready for that. They're barely ready for flying saucers. You know, I'm being very, very serious. And to... Can you imagine? Let's stay on this interdimensional thing because I think it's a big deal. Let's say we do get the head of Lockheed Skunk Works in front of Congress, in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee. And it says, well, we do. Yeah, yeah, we do. But it's not ET. No, no, actually... It's a different version. It's earth, two point one, uh, fifteen dimensions to the right that came through and got stuck here. So we've got that craft. You got the what, sir? Can you explain that again? Nobody, that's a whole other thing to chew on. And I have difficulty with that. I do, but it would also explain, Christina, this is a very, very huge non-trivial point. Too many sightings, including my own, phase in and phase out. appear and disappear. Nothing does that in nature that I know of, right? So when something like that happens, I don't have an explanation for it. But to go into the interdimensional aspect, it messes with me. It messes with me. I understand some metallic thing flying across space, entering our atmosphere, crash landing. you know I yes all right I get it I get it interdimensional oh man that opens up so much more it does for me and for everybody else it's a big deal it's non-trivial well let me ask you this I want to ask this to you jimmy and to everyone watching this live or after the fact and that is Pick one out of these two options. Would it be harder to understand, to rationalize interdimensionals coming to Earth or that they've always been here? Which one do you think would mess with people more? Always been here. Always been here. You know why? I'll give you an example. People are still dealing with ghosts. Right? Ghosts, spirits, loved ones, life after death. We're still dealing with all of these things and acceptance of that, which also could be ET, right? So you throw in this interdimensional... No, that is a question that has been out there forever and nobody wants to touch it. That's about as taboo as it gets, all right? Now, ET being here forever... How many episodes of ancient aliens does one need to watch? I think that that has been out there forever. Eric Von Daniken, the ideas behind this are as old as anything else. And there's a lot of evidence to support it. Hasn't been proven, but there's evidence there. You go down that interdimensional road and everything goes crazy. everything, science, the world of physics, uh, religion, uh, consciousness, uh, and reality as we know it today. And also, uh, quantum computers and, and quantum mechanics and, and how qubits work. All of this just gets crazy really fast. So I don't think the world is ready for it. They and angels and everything else would be accepted in the norm today. And clearly it's not. Which is a little surprising, to be fair with you, because the stories of UFOs and angels and demons and so on have been embedded in all cultures across the world. So people that still kind of have struggled with that, I find a little strange, just from my own perspective. Mark Tassaka. I don't say it as good as Jay. Mark Tassaka. Thank you so much. He's been with us forever. Oh, I saw almost the beginning. Yeah. Did you see the post earlier? To be clear, this is Christina's show. Jimmy's just a pinch hitter. He's just coming in off the bench. Yeah, yeah. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I respect. It's Christina's show. We've been doing this show together for, what, two, three years now? Yeah, maybe longer, yeah. It's crazy. I don't know. It's been a lot. It's been a long time. It's been a lot of fun, too. It's been a lot of fun. Yeah, in the beginning, I remember the first time Christina reached out. You know, would you like to, you know, come on and guest host? Right? That was specific. She was very specific. Yeah. It took Christina like two weeks. And now I'd like to bring on my co-host. I was like, hey, hey, hey, when did we go? When did we cross that Rubicon? I just couldn't shake you off. Well, there you go. And here we are three years later. This is twenty twenty five. Twenty twenty two. Twenty one. Yeah. Wow. Long time. Yeah, it's been a minute. It's been a minute. Anyway, back to the point. Let me throw it at you. And I know, Christina, that you have a very open mind. All right? But for you, what is easier to accept? Stuff coming in from interstellar space or stuff crossing the fringe line? Stuff... Okay, let's back this up. I'll give you my answer. Stuff crossing the fringe line just because people have known about the paranormal since the beginning. But once you begin to mix... UFOs and the paranormal, that's when people begin to almost convulse. They're like, please, no, this is awful. Why would you do that? They're two separate things. But as our research has progressed, as ufologists, we are realizing that there is a connection between the two. So for us, it's not so bad. But for your average person, I think it would take some time. And then after they'd say, oh, no, yeah, I can see that. It's not so bad. So... I feel like time, it would be an evolutionary thing. It would take time for them to really grasp onto it more so than them being nuts and bolts coming from a different planet, coming here in their little craft, which people struggle thinking about that as well when we're using our very basic means of communication. travel they're like that's impossible that's last night I had isaac arthur on the show a great physicist you know and he's his show future science with isaac arthur is is one of the most watched and viewed um on the internet and on youtube and he's great he's got a great mind And he's with you, Christina. Now, Isaac and I debate all. We're good friends. So we will go toe to toe in the spirit of a conversation that is alive. But he said last night when I asked him, I said, how are they getting here? You know, what's your best guess on this? He goes, you know. If I'm an advanced being, you know, that's possibly a billion or tens of billions of years more advanced than us here on Earth, I'm coming here interdimensionally. I'm skipping universes. He said it is easier to jump from a physics standpoint, from a math standpoint. I'm quoting him, paraphrasing, last night on the show. Achieving the speed of light or faster than light or near the speed of light and traveling between stars or galaxies in this universe is hard. He said traveling between universes, not galaxies, between universes, right, is easier than traveling at the speed of light. And he said, so if stuff is coming here, I would say it's interdimensional coming here from another universe. Wow. And it really opened up my eyes. Because I'm still, you know, I like the little green dude, you know, pilot, you know, buzzing around. You know, I dig that. dig that. It's nice because it fits into our pop culture, but it seems, according to Grush, it's not all like that, neither with Tim Burchette either. He's like, from the stories that I have heard, they're not green. They're not little green men. It's much more complicated than that. And it would be nice to see if we're going to get any answers, if we're going to hear that in the next congressional hearing, which Hyde's just touched on. Thank you so much, Hyde's. So I'm... Like I said, I'm optimistic. I have high hopes for this. And B Willis, thank you. It says, okay. It says Google Omicron Commonwealth. It's all connected to Jimmy. NDEs, OBEs, UFOs, remote viewing, et cetera. Look into that. Thank you so much. And Scott, thank you as well. How loud do I have to yell from that soapbox? I've been saying that to me, right? When it comes to physics and the questions, because too many things have been witnessed by too many people for too many years, going back millennia, all describing the same thing. Now, something appearing, something disappearing, an entity, a shape, a this, a that, something in the sky, something on the ground, something in the water, written and documented and talked about by every generation going back thousands and thousands of years. So it begs to ask the question, Are they all seeing, are we all seeing versions of the exact same thing? And when that domino falls in the world of physics, whatever it is, suddenly Bigfoot is connected to E.T. and the ghost of your aunt and everything else in between. that all of this is connected near-death experiences um quantum computing and qubits suddenly interdimensional all of this is just coming down to a fundamental thing in math and physics and and that's that's it and I would say everything is connected they're too similar And by my own experience, Christina, these things are just too... They exhibit the same characteristics. They do. They honestly do. And so, could that be it? Could that be what Grush is trying to lead to? Wouldn't that be... Wouldn't that be crazy? Where ET just comes and goes, well... all that stuff you've been seeing, we've been watching you for years. We've been kind of laughing, you know, wondering when you were just going to figure it out, that it was all the same stuff, you know, and I would, I would not be surprised. I would not at all. Also I could go, Ooh, that answers all, one thousand questions that I've had unanswered. I did it all at once. But yeah, I think that's where we are today. I think that's where we are. Christina, you want to wrap with anything before I say another fantastic show and conversation? I do. One more thing I want to mention. And Matthew, thank you. It says interdimensional stuff is creepy. Some Cthulhu stuff. I think if we take a step back, like Jimmy had mentioned, and you see the connection between everything, it's not so hard to digest. And then you could be like Cthulhu and just swallow a whole whale if you really wanted to. And Paul, thank you as well. Christina's haunted vacuum all connected. Yes, that story is pretty freaky. One last thing that I'd like to mention, and it's actually pertaining to the Department of Energy. It's one that isn't spoken about enough when people are wanting to get information from certain departments. And it seems like the DOE might have some of the most interesting ideas. answers, if we could ever get those kinds of answers. From what we know from last year, during a DOE congressional hearing, it was just about energy, like as it's supposed to be, right? But Ana Paulina Luna was a part of that hearing, and she brought up UFOs. She says, well, is there a protocol for when you see UFOs hovering over your nuclear facilities, right? And the secretary said, I don't know what you're talking about. And then Paulina Luna goes into more detail of UFOs, not drones, UFOs, like what's the protocol? And the secretary said, I can answer that in a closed setting. The reason to why I'm bringing this up now is I actually got a very interesting email yesterday of someone telling me that like, This conversation about Crush is very interesting, but sometimes we're putting a little bit too much optimism on the clearances that he has. It only goes so far. You still have to be in the category of the need to know to get certain information out, no matter how high your clearance might be. And then also the conversation about the DOE, because... As the clearance status has kind of lapsed, and we're going to see how long he's even going to have it for, the background investigation process alone can stretch a year. Now, when it comes to Jake Barber, who came out to News Nation not too long ago about egg-shaped craft, right? There wasn't a background investigation on him created or investigated by the Pentagon. Ana Paulina Luna wanted to do that, and they are in the process of doing that now. With Grush, we're also kind of getting that same thing. But the DOE operates under its own classification system, separate from standard military and intelligence frameworks, making oversight significantly more difficult than any other federal organization. That's why we almost never hear about the DOE when it comes to UFOs, maybe for that reason. But under the Atomic Energy Act, information about atomic weapons, special nuclear material like uranium-二三五 or plutonium, or their use in energy production would be classified as restricted data. If UFO material involve these special nuclear material, which is classified as S&M or nuclear technology, they would likely fall under this designation classified from the start as born secret. And you might think, oh, that actually makes sense. In this case, and Burlston's taking the words right out of my mouth, if you don't know enough about the topic, you do not know what questions to ask. But then when it comes to the front lines, you say, oh, oh, okay, no, that's a great question. That makes sense. Why didn't I think about that? When I got this information and verified it, by the way, I thought, no, that makes sense. Why didn't I even consider that? A lot of the UFO debris that has allegedly been seen and witnessed because you have very limited data on that, right? Or when a UFO lands or crashes or there's even a UFO sighting, there are high levels of radiation, right? So it would make sense that the DOE would somehow get its grimy little hands on UFO material because it would fall in that kind of category. The DOE is set up for just the very reasons that you bring up. Now, although if you're some researchers out there right now or people that are interested in the subject or hearing about this for the first time, it comes as a shock. The Department of Energy has been a focus of UFO researchers and others going back to the nineteen fifties where statements were made back then. If you want to know what's going on with UFOs, you need to go to the Department of Energy. And these statements go back and have been repeated throughout each decade. Christina, it's a very important point. Why? going to the military is easy, right? Patterson, their department of defense. It makes a lot of sense. Air force doing their thing out there, the army and yes, witnesses recovery and, and, and you have boots on the ground and, and, and, and possible recovery of these vehicles. Yes. And you would look at the military first and you would go in that direction first. Absolutely. With these, uh, uh, uh, pieces of debris and wreckage be brought to a military base first? Yeah, probably. Then distributed from there and taken somewhere else. It is the Department of Energy that has the ability to keep the secrets. And if you want to get a really good example of that, go and look at the life of Oppenheimer. Go watch the film. Watch how the Department of Energy is not only created but but was able to keep the most extreme secrets there. Now, why the Department of Energy? All right. Okay. First off, it's outside of the scope of the public. You don't think of it first. But the second thing is, what is the propulsion systems on these craft? What kind of energy sources do they have? Are they stuff that we haven't discovered yet? Is it some new technology that we need to see? something that we can expand on. Well, who would deal with that best? That's the Department of Energy, and that's where this would go. So the Department of Energy, DOE, has been mentioned since the very beginning as the keeper of the secrets when it comes to UFOs, ET, crash recovery vehicles, and the said technology. It is outside of the U.S. military and is outside of most government oversight. Jimmy, thank you so much for doing this show with me today. Who do you have on Fade to Black tonight? Ray Hernandez. Ray Hernandez. Yeah, yeah. Big show. Big show tonight. Ray Hernandez is on. We will be talking about his academic paper and study beyond UFOs. All of that and much more. Ray's got a lot of stuff that he can talk about. It's going to be a great conversation. So I'll see everybody tonight on Fade to Black. Go Beckley Tepe, everybody. Christina, another great show. Thank you. 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