Fear Aliens? DON'T Go to Scotland!

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This cannot be one of those crazy bizarre UFO cases. But but what if it is? They found strange scars on their body, scoop like marks, semic-ircular marks on their body that they knew these were not there before. They had these strange dreams of these small gray creatures coming into their dream world. He said, "I desperately wanted to punch these we guys, but I couldn't move a muscle apart from my eyes. (00:29) " Malcolm, it is such a pleasure to have you on the show. How are you? I'm very well. Thanks for having me on your show, Christina. Pleasure to be here. Thank you so much taking the time to be here. When I talked about the Decmon Law incident in Scotland on my show a few weeks ago, I highlighted your book and your research, and it's so exciting to see that you've been studying UFOs for decades now, looking at all sorts of fascinating cases and theories. (00:57) And before we get into your research, we have to start from the beginning. You've been into the strange and the mysterious since you were a child. How did you get interested in that when you were so young and how did it steer you in the path that you're in today? Well, I've always been interested in strange phenomena. (01:16) Ever since I was a small boy growing up in Scotland, I always had this fascination for all things weird and wonderful. And I started to read the books of Charles Berletts and I also watched the American TV shows coming over you know movies uh like the day the earth stood still the war the worlds and these fascinated me and as I say I started to read books on ghosts poltergeist UFOs and I went no there's no substance to this there's there's no such things as ghosts and UFOs it's a load of rubbish and I set (01:50) out in 1979 on a one-man crusade to disprove these subjects. But it's like anything else in life, Christina. Once you get your hands dirty, once you put yourself in that ballpark of weirdness, you soon find out that there's no smoke without fire. And I've been slapped by nothing. I've had my hair pulled by nothing. (02:15) And I've seen some astonishing things. And when you see these things, obviously you come off the proverbial skeptical fence and it's been a wonderful journey. I'm still enjoying this fantastic ride of the paranormal that I'm that I've been on, you know, and uh so needless to say, I'm not a skeptic anymore. (02:38) Having said that, I'm still skeptical with my society in every single case that you go into. You've got to be skeptical. You've got to ask all the right questions. And that's what we do. Yeah. That's so exciting. And and while you've been doing this for almost 50 years, I can just tell that the passion is still there, the interest is still there. (02:58) And you're right. When we're doing and researching any topic, we have to remain skeptical. But there's a very big difference between being a skeptic and being a debunker. One's open-minded and the other one is not. But over the years doing the research, have you ever had an encounter? Yeah, absolutely. (03:17) I mean, um, because I put myself into the ballpark, I've seen a lot of strange things. And, uh, if we, if we move into the UFO camp for a moment, uh, funnily enough, I was doing research at Loch Ness because, you know, I've been fortunate to go down in a submarine in Loch Ness. And on this particular at night um we were at a campfire at uh Inver Morrison on the shores of Loch Ness and we were sitting enjoying the lovely Scottish scenery a starlight sky all beautiful night and I was sitting with Canadians and Americans (03:49) and we were just you know chewing the fat and then suddenly this lady shouted up what's that what the hell is that and we all looked across over the surface of Log Ness and the hills you could see the hills the silhouette of the hills in the distance and you could see this ball of white light which should not have been there majestically moving in the heavens and stopping then moving left moving right we knew we knew it wasn't an aircraft or a helicopter we knew it wasn't a satellite or anything like that (04:21) and then suddenly after it stopping it just zoomed up into the sky was gone now like any UFO case Christina we check with the airports both local national. We checked with the local flying clubs, the Met Office to see if there were any release of weather balloons. We checked with the police to see if any members of the public had notified your station and said, "Well, you know, we've seen something as well. (04:48) " So, effectively, we're dotting the eyes and crossing the tees just to ensure what could have been. We couldn't find anything. We couldn't find anything that was the reason for this bizarre sighting, you know, but probably one of the earliest settings I had was probably when I was about 10 or 11 years of age and we were playing football in or soccer as you would say in America and Canada uh in the school playing field and kicking about. (05:17) It was a lovely beautiful day and then everybody stopped playing football and we looked up at the sky and it was an eggshaped object about the size of 20 30 ft on its side and again we're young but we knew this this what is that you know and um after a period of time my friend started playing football again and I gazed took my gaze off it and then when I looked back up it had completely disappeared. (05:42) So even then these these strange things were a foot you know and this was a time when I was looking at you know Star Trek and all these movies and reading my books and it kind of fueled the fire it fueled the passion towards all things weird and wonderful and over the years I've seen many strange things and Bonnie Bridge is a hot spot or a window area which seems to attract a higher concentration of UFOs than than anywhere else. (06:11) I mean, we have it in Gulf Breeze in Pensacola and Florida and various locations and we've seen some very bizarre weird lights and things dropping down from the sky and moving around in the farmland, you know, in the fields, etc. So, yes, I've seen a lot of strange stuff over the years and hopefully we'll see more. (06:31) Talking about Bonnie Bridge, why do you think it's a hot spot? Is is there any weird material in the area? Is it located near some place that gives it that strangeness to it? What do you think is going on there? Well, that's that's a big question, Christina, because we truly don't know. Is it as a bottom line answer? There's no air bases there. (06:54) There no military bases there. There nothing overly significant that would warrant any questioning eyes from elsewhere to come and have a we look. It's a rural landscape. Bonnie Bridge is only about 9,000 inhabitants and it's not just Bony Bridge itself. You've got towns like Falerk, Slammanan, Lbert, little little towns there. (07:17) But it's seen a multitude of strange aerial craft over the years from your classic flying saucer shape, you know, like two suit plates join rimto rim to your balls of light but had strange craft like even shaped like a toblerone box s moving silently and slowly across the night sky. We've also seen the large black triangular shaped objects. (07:41) But I'll just give you a quick for instance. I mean, there was a a gentleman driving to Sterling uh from uh Denny. It's a small place near um uh Bunny Bridge. And in his car was his two young sons and it was nighttime and they were driving along the road. And then suddenly his son screamed out, "Dad, dad, what's that?" and his father, who was steering the car, of course, looked to the left through the the windscreen and he saw this like a hatshaped object, you know, like a not like a bowler hat, but more kind of flat at the top and it (08:12) had three green lights on its underside. And he went, "Well, this is peculiar." You know, it's like any close proximity sighting. They know this is not an aircraft or a helicopter. He knew that straight away. But this is where it gets strange, Christina, because immediately in front of the car about 20, 30 yards away was this instantaneous like a fog bank. (08:39) Although it wasn't a fog bank, it was sharply defined like a sheet of paper on his side of the road. And he went, "What? What's this?" So, as the car went through this fog bank or whatever it was, he felt like silver pin pricks of light just falling all over his head and his shoulders and the the children were screaming, you know, and he didn't stop and he just raced to his destination of Sterling to to pick up his wife. (09:08) And that's just one of many bizarre sightings. Another one was um this gentleman was driving towards a castle carry vioaduct. It's a big railway vioaduct. You know the big arches Christina big arches. And as he's driving towards this he saw one of those large black triangular objects hovering about 20 30 ft above the surface is the parapit of this railway vioaduct. (09:36) And then a second similar object was point to point right above this parapit. He slowed down and as he slowed down other motorists were slowing down as well. And you can see everybody's peering through the windscreen looking up at these things and then they just went like that straight up into the sky was gone. (09:57) And we've checked again with the police in the airports and um there were nothing in the the sky at that time. And then we have two photographs from that area. One is called the the Pullmont Reservoir photograph of which these two men were setting up their tripods to take some photographs of this prochemical refinery plant. (10:21) This massive big area with burning gas, you know, plumes of gas going up into the night sky. And as they were setting up the tripod to take this, it's like a city. It's like Las Vegas, all the pipes and everything. They became aware of this red object moving towards their person and then it was about 200 feet above the above their heads and they had to bend over backwards because it was coming down towards them and the gentleman took one photograph and in that photograph you see the underside of this craft wherever it may be it was concave (10:57) underside glowing red and it was throwing out a band of white light. Now again, skeptics said that they'll say that could have been taken anywhere. And we've got to agree with that because at the end of the day, not only are we dealing with witness testimony, but it's great to have backup of video footage of photographic footage. (11:20) We're living in the Steven Spielberg age of DreamWorks laboratory where anything can be manipulated onto computer. But thankfully the same process can be applied to determine if it was a model suspended by a thin wire or a string. So it works both ways that technology. I I would not be in this field of study, Christina, if I honestly didn't believe we're dealing with something real, something tangible, something off Earth. (11:48) Well, when I say off Earth, but it may have bases in the oceans of this planet, but we're dealing with something real for sure. Absolutely. Do you think it's easier or more difficult to research UFOs today with the technology that we have being in the Spielberg era? Well, it's yes and no. (12:06) I mean, at the end of the day, more and more people are being aware that we do have a recognizable phenomena in the skies. We have cameras galore. It's easy to manipulate photographs. Of course, it is. We have some fantastic video footage as well. And so I wouldn't say it's overly for me personally I think we're in a good a good area. (12:28) Now, when we look at what's happened in the last two or three years, you know, we have the USS Theodore Roosevelt, the USS Princeton, we have these F-18 Navy pilots that was dispatched to find out what the hell is going on in this exercise cuz all these ships are doing this exercise off the coast of San Diego and these objects that tic tac and go fast and the gimbal. (12:50) If that's our own technology, by God, why are we not implementing that for our own use? you know because the geforce involved by the swift stops and turns is astronomical. So for me it's not the Chinese, it's not the North Koreans, it's not I don't think it's um you know our own technology. (13:10) It's something again off world. Yeah. After talking about the Decont incident, the Decont law incident, you were one of the first people to get and do boots on the ground investigations to talk to the witness Robert Taylor in in Scotland. And what's fascinating about that case and and we're going to mention this quite a few times is that it was the first case alien encounter that turned into a criminal investigation in Scotland. (13:39) Now, Scotland's been a first for quite a few different things, but my question is, what made you decide that case nearly immediately rather than just waiting for someone else to do it? Well, admittedly, there was another researcher with boots on the ground at that time, a gentleman by the name of Stuart Campbell, who I mentioned in my book. (13:59) And of course, Stuart came up with the various explanations to account for what he believed transpired, one of which was black ball lightning and a mirage of Venus. But I was there the day day after the event and I saw the marks on the ground. I interviewed Robert Taylor and I interviewed the police officers and it became apparent to me that this wonderful wonderful man would never in a million years dream up a scenario of this nature. (14:26) He didn't want this to happen in his life. You know, he was a war hero. He he went over to France in D-Day 5. He helped liberate Bergen Bellson and after the war he settled in Scotland and he was employed by the Livingston Development Corporation in the forestry department. So when he went into Deckment Woods in November the 9th 1979 he wasn't expecting that. (14:51) He was not expecting that. Gets out his truck and I won't go into the story too much so you've already gave it for anybody tuning in not aware of the story. He got off his pickup truck. walking down this forestry ride, trees to the left, trees to the right. He was accompanied by his Irish red setter dog, Lara, came upon a clearing and went, "Oh my god, what is that?" He saw this large dome-shaped craft with a flange going around its perimeter, cross-like projection sticking up from the flange. Then it (15:22) would disappear and resolidify. He could see the young trees in the background, and his dog was barking furiously beside him. And then suddenly, as if the the event couldn't get any more bizarre, it did. What resembled two Second World War sea mines dropped down from beneath the craft, impacted on the grass, and started rolling across the grass. (15:44) They stopped and projected these projections towards his person, ripping his trousers, which I have here. These are the actual trousers that Robert Taylor wore on that eventful morning of November the 9th, 1979. Uh that is the left leg tear on the trousers. If I move over to the right leg, hopefully you can you can see that there we have a tear on the trousers there. (16:11) Now these trousers, as you said in your program, thank you for mentioning it. Um were analyzed by the police forensic department in Edinburgh by a gentleman by the name of Lester Nib. And he said to me, he says, "Malcolm, these trousers were ripped in a mechanical upwards manner. They were not ripped by any forest debris, any sharp stones or twigs. (16:33) And I remember Robert Taylor, he said, "Malcolm, how I wish you had have been there. How I wish you had have been with me to see this incredible sight." And then he went on to say, "If only my dog could talk," you know, which was good. But what a case, what a case, you know, and that came early in my career. (16:52) That came in 1979. I was only 22 years of age then and it was a catalyst for me trying to understand the complexities of this interaction by this strange craft from goodness knows where there's 11 different theories I mention in my book because even though I believe wholeheartedly we're dealing with a non-human intelligence in any of my books I always try to look over the fence and provide what the skeptic would say. (17:26) So, we have 11 different theories to account what may have happened. Do I believe any of them? No, I don't. I honestly believe that Robert Taylor was either in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time. But by God, what a case it was. There there were a lot of questions when I did that show of what happened to the dog? What happened to Laura after the incident? Well, what happened to Lara was this. (17:51) Robert Taylor took the dog back up to the woods and when he approached that location, the dog backed away. It refused to go back to that location and it never ever went back to that area with Robert Taylor. Um, having said that, the family decided family decided to actually uh bury the the dog when the dog sadly passed away. (18:13) The dog is buried in Dec Woods, but not not at that location at another area of the woods. And we have to bear in mind that UFOs were cited the week prior to Rob Robert Taylor's encounter and the week after. Then only in the last year, an incredible story came to my attention by a gentleman who said, "Malcolm, a few years after Robert Taylor's case, a good few years, him and his friend had these big large husky dogs, and these dogs are not frightened of anything. (18:45) " And they were walking into Death Mc Woods. Now, it wasn't anywhere near that particular area. I've got to say that it was still in Demick Woods. So, he's walking with his friend and all their dogs. And he suddenly the dogs stopped and backed up and they started bearing their teeth. And he went, "Well, what's going on here? My dogs never react like this. (19:07) " And then about 20, 30 yards away, I'll tell it the truth. This is what he said. He says, "Malcolm, I saw a figure, an a humanoid figure, but the face was like a dog face, like a dog man with burning red eyes and a kind of snout and it had shaggy hair or fur and it kind of scared him out and his dogs just backed off, backed off and then suddenly this thing just took away at lightning speed. (19:33) " So, Decment Woods and has got a history of animals disappearing, dogs particularly, and also uh UFO sightings and a whole range of other things. It's a very, very weird weird situation. It is. And I think it's also strange how you gained possession of Mr. Taylor's trousers. What's the story behind that? Didn't just ask be like, "Hey, can I can I have your pants?" Like, how did that conversation go? Well, after the investigation by the police forensic department, they were handed over to the British UFO Research (20:09) Association, Buhora, in London, England, and were given to a good friend of mine, a gentleman by the name of Philip Mantle. Now, Philip said to me uh a few years after he received the pants, he says, "Malcolm, you're Scottish. They should be with you." And so, he gave them to me. And that's how I got them. (20:28) I've taken them on tours. to take them on lectures. Uh, a few years ago, I was offered thousands and thousands of dollars by an American businessman to sell them, but I wouldn't do it, Christina. These trousers, and I've I've often said that these trousers are like the Turin threads of euphology. (20:48) Not the Turin shroud, but the Turin threads of euphology. Now, yes, you know, we have this wonderful case, but it's great to have an artifact um of these trousers because um you very very rarely get that, you know, and um to his dying day, Robert Taylor says, "Malcolm, this happened. I saw this. (21:10) " And the problem we have is is of course with any any research will tell you this, the problem we have is why why is going on here? what is causing these these these sightings? And this is one of these milliondoll questions that I sadly can't answer. I can give you speculations galore, but this is where we get into the UFO abductions that worries me. (21:34) That concerns me. And uh you know, Scotland has its own massive abduction case, which if we have time, I'd love to tell you about. We're actually going to get into that one next. Are you referring to the A70 UFO incident? talking about that one. Yes, I certainly am. Yes. So, you wrote a book on it and what I found interesting is that here's another first. (21:59) It was the first officially reported UFO abduction. How does it stack up against other abduction stories that you've dug into? It stacks up very well. Um, it has similarities, but it also have differences. It's a massive case. I'll try and be brief, but August the 18th, 1992, Gary Wood and his friend Colin Wright were driving from Edinburgh, the capital of Scotland. (22:25) And as you leave Edinburgh and you travel down the A70 road, you come into farmland, fields to the left, fields to the right, vegetation. Farmland, there's no houses or nothing, you know. And as they're driving down this, it's about half 10 or so uh in the evening and it was it was fairly dark. (22:46) And Colin, who was in the passenger seat, said to Gary, "What the hell is that?" And as they looked through the windscreen of the car, they became aware of a two-tiered black shiny discshaped craft hovering uh 20 30 ft above the surface of the roads. And I keep saying it, but it's true. They knew it. This isn't a helicopter or an aircraft. (23:07) What is this? You know, so rather than stop the car and go back, if you can imagine, I always do this when I talk about the case. So this hand is a UFO. This hand is a car. As the car was directly underneath this hovering object, thousands upon thousands of tiny pin pricks of sparkling white light descended from beneath this craft and impacted the car. (23:33) And as it did so, both men were enveloped in total and inky blackness. They could not see the dashboard of the car. They could not see each other. Are we dead? That's what they thought. Are we Are we dead? What's this? And then thankfully they regained their sight. The car was on the right hand side of the road, which over in America is your normal sidew. (23:53) That's the wrong side cuz we driving the left. The car was on the other side of the road. Had to pull the steering wheel back to the left and they drove to their destination and they knocked on the occupant's door. No answer. No answer. And eventually the lady of the house opened a window and says, "Well, what time do you call this? What do you mean? You're an hour and a half late now. (24:16) You know, it's the journey should only have taken about 30 35 minutes, Christina. And they're an hour and a half late." So they proceeded to tell occupants of the house what they had seen. They got laughed out of court. And that night and subsequent nights thereafter they found strange scars on their body, scoop like marks, semic-ircular marks on their body that they knew. (24:42) They knew that these were not there before. And they had these strange dreams of these small gray creatures coming into their dream world. And Gary said, "Oh no, surely surely that's not one of this cannot be one of those crazy bizarre UFO cases, but but what if it is? Who do you go to?" And his wife did not believe him. (25:05) They got ribbed mercilessly by workmates. So he went into the local library, picked up a book by Jenny Randles, and our organization's address was in the back. And long story short, I says, "Guys," I was on the phone. He says, "Guys, do you want to be hypnotically regressed to see if perhaps something else may have happened that night?" And I went, "Malcolm, please. (25:30) We need to do something because nobody believes us." And yes, I know that people can lie under hypnosis. There is something known as kryptonia. You've read as a small girl or a small boy. You've read a book about aliens and that that's suppressed and then somehow it comes out into your mind and you think it happened to you. (25:47) So I I was aware of that. So, I've just told you what happened. Um, the conscious recall, the the craft, the sparkling lights. This is what happened under hypnosis. The car was stopped. They were approached by several small small gray beings. They were taken out of the car. Now, you mentioned your question earlier was the similarities, etc. (26:12) Here's one of the differences. Gary was placed on what appeared to be a a a stretcher. Um, you know, a flat stretcher, but no, these beings were not holding it. Why the need for this? They were taken on board this craft. They were stripped completely naked. Gary found himself on a flat raised table and he was subjected to some form of medical or clinical procedure. (26:35) He says, "Malcolm, it was like somebody's hand was inside my stomach and pulling all my entrils. the the pain was immense. And he saw these two gray creatures standing at the foot of this flat raised table, one of which was holding a a diamond kind of pendant. Um, you know, moving over his legs and around his body. (26:58) And when he looked above him, he saw this black lensshaped circular thing about 2 feet spinning about. Then he saw this can-shaped device coming up from the floor. and this lever coming up like that with two red LED lights and it started to spin around his head. What was it? Was it a medical device? Who knows? But probably one of the most interesting things that he said to me and he said this. (27:27) He says, "Malcolm, two I couldn't move a muscle." He says, "I desperately wanted to punch these we guys, but I couldn't move a muscle apart from my eyes." And I looked down on the floor and I saw this young 17, 18 year old girl completely naked with her knees up under her chin with her arms around her knees and she gently turned her head and looked at me and she had I tears running down her eyes and he says, "Malcolm, I'll never ever forget the sadness, the full the the despair in (28:01) this young girl's face to the day I die." Colin on the other hand he found himself um encased in this glass or perspects chamber. If you can imagine a man's cigar tube it's only about what so many inches about that but this is about 8 ft tall glass. Colin is completely naked. (28:23) He's strapped down and he could only move his eyes. But to the left and to the right, he could see similar males and females from young people, middle-aged people, elderly people, all in states of undress in these containers as well. And later on, um, Gary passed a BBC lie detector test. And I remember when his wife, she's, they're not married now, but his wife at the time, she always thought her husband was off his head until one night she phoned me. (28:52) She gave me a telephone call and she says, "Malcolm, I was reading a book. I was in bed. I was reading a book. Gary was next to me. He was sleeping. I was reading the book. Closed the book. Put the book on the bedside table. Switched off the bedside light. And about 30 seconds later, small childlike hands grabbed my ankles and pulled me forcibly down the bed. (29:20) And whereas my head was on the pillow, it's now halfway down the bed. I looked and I saw three small gray figures waddling through the wall and disappeared. It was incredible. But that's I've only scratched the surface of that case. There's so much more. Yeah, that is insane. Not only the amount of details that you've provided so far, but the fact that the wife didn't believe her husband and then it happened to her almost as a form of punishment. (29:53) That's kind of what it what it what it looks like. And uh I can't even imagine that level of fear because your home, especially your bedroom, it's your sanctuary. It's your safe space. Nothing bad should ever enter your bedroom minus a few nightmares from time to time. So, for that to happen, that's really scary. (30:15) Uh, one night he woke up in bed and he was astonished to see a small gray being at the foot of the of his bed. This is a good few years after the event. And he went, "Right, okay. I've got you now. This is my domain." Gary jumped out of bed, ran towards this little gray, and smacked him one. (30:35) And this this little gray then a a somersault and stood up and rushed towards Gary and then an explosion of light transpired and Gary was knocked unconscious. Another scenario happened again some years after the event. He Gary was driving uh away from Edinburgh and uh was in the car with his two sons and then suddenly this tremendous ball of light came over the hood of the car, penetrated the windscreen of the car and then engulfed the whole car. (31:08) And Gary went Gary said to himself, "Oh no, no, no, no, not again. Not with my children in the car, please. No." And then suddenly it just dissipated. the light dissipated and thankfully nothing else happened you know but this is Scotland's first reported as you said UFO abduction there may well be others Christina but as yet we've not learned of these you know and this traumatized these guys and this is why it infuriates me with abductions worldwide because they're saying they're saying that they're taking sperm and (31:42) over from males and females to repopulate a dying planet. Well, I don't generally believe that because you've got to understand, they've been doing this now for 30, 40, 50, 60 years. Surely, they've got enough genetic material that they don't need to do this. Is it something else? Is it they're looking for our souls? I honestly think that maybe planet Earth is a zoo that they see us here that maybe it's not the the origin of the species by Darwin. (32:14) You know what he's saying? Maybe we are an experiment. But again, that's only speculation on my part. Only speculation. There's been a lot of theories on that of planet Earth being a farm or a zoo and using people's not only DNA, but sperm and eggs as well to sometimes some ideas are to repopulate or to use them as slaves. (32:40) And there's just a handful of different ideas. And it seems that no matter how long we've been researching this topic, no matter how many people we've spoken to, it's sad that it's still just a speculation that we don't have the answers yet, that we haven't had a full-blown interview with these people or entities to to get our questions answered. (33:03) With that being said, there are a handful of abductions that some people find positive, but most of them are usually negative encounters. In your opinion, do you think these entities are benevolent or malevolent? Are they our space brothers here to cure cancer and save the planet, or do they have their own agendas and don't care about human life? Well, great question. (33:31) Great question. There is an agenda. Absolutely there is an agenda. But what is that agenda? I mean when we look at the famous Morin Putty case in Australia, she was seeing UFOs a lot. She claimed she was abducted and then these two Australian uh researchers joined with her in her automobile in her car and they drove to a location and Mory went, "They'll be here soon. They'll be here soon. (33:56) I can feel it." And the two investigators are in the back of the car. She's at the the driving wheel. the steering wheel and then suddenly she says here I'm going now I'm going but she never went anywhere Christina she was still in the car now is it can we speculate maybe it's the athetheric body they were taken the spirit body of the person as opposed to the physical body I mean I'm a spiritualist I firmly believe in life after death the evidence again for that is overwhelming and I we could go into (34:27) that for hours so again that's a speculation part for that she was still sitting there, but they took her spiritual body and and did something with it. Um, I would like to think that we're getting closer. They say disclosures getting closer because NASA was looking into this recently. We have the, you know, as I mentioned before, the USS Theodore Roosevelt. (34:50) We have um all these Navy and Air Force personnel coming forward and telling what's going on. So, clearly there's something. And I think now the American uh government do recognize that they're dealing with something real and it more or less said that just last year and under the Freedom of Information Act passed and initially in America many pre-classified government documents came out which clearly showed that the NSA, the FBI and the CIA were actively involved in UFO research. (35:22) The same here in United Kingdom. Many pre-classified government documents from Whiteall has been released. The problem I've got with that, Christine, and I've said it on other shows, that a lot of these um A4 sheets are heavily blacked out paragraph after paragraph. What is behind that? You know, what is behind these these paragraphs? But uh and I'll say it