Are ALIENS still taking us at night?

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Alien abductions, it's a hard topic to cover. There was a big surge of alleged alien abductions between the 1970s and the 1980s. But what about today? Are they taking place at the same rate? And the question is, why is it happening to begin with? Today, we will talk about these difficult things, asking difficult questions that people are scared to ask or to know the answer to. (00:39) Hello and welcome to this episode of Mysteries with a History. We will be taken on a wild ride into the unknown, the strange, and the mysterious. Like you, I have questions, and like you, I want answers. And with each episode together, we will peel away the layers to look for the truth. Let me bring in my co-host, Jimmy Church of Fade to Black Radio. (00:59) Hey, Jimmy. Happy leap year. She catches me by surprise. She's watching me sip my coffee, do my hair right now. And I like to bring in, how you doing, Christina? Happy leap year. Is it really leap year? That's what I was told at the very least. And my coffee, I've got a leaking cup today. Yeah, it's like, it's okay. (01:32) It's okay. I'm good. My coffee cup has been abducted. Yeah. How about abducting that like button today? You like that too as well? You know, I ask you this every week. Today is probably the most important time I've ever asked. Because it's leap year. What? Abductions is leap? What? What? It's the most important question because today's leap year. (02:03) So that means everything's important today because it only happens once every four years. Okay. Is that what brought on this abduction? I'm so excited about this show. We've talked about specific abduction cases in the past, and we'll dabble on some of that today for sure. But the discussion about this is, has been surfacing in my circles as well. (02:31) Where have all the abductions gone? And, you know, if you look to the past and you look at where we are today, is it the same thing? But is the conversation happening in your world too? it is it is and and the reason to why I wanted to do today's show is because yesterday I covered the kelly cahill case from 1993 and I thought it would be really awesome to continue the conversation but going more into depth in just the broad spectrum of alien abductions but this show is a little bit different from a few others that we've (03:06) done because we have covered together a handful of alleged alien abductions but for this one it's more of and as I had mentioned at the very beginning It's about asking pretty difficult questions that are difficult to answer because everyone has their own opinion on it. Everyone just has different insights. (03:27) Those that have had experiences as well are going to give you a different answer to those that are doing the research or listening to it for the very first time. And Jimmy, you've been in this field for decades. decades. I've been doing this not as long as you but have gotten pretty intense into research. (03:45) And it seems that maybe from the last time we've spoken about this together up until now, my ideas and potential information that I've come across has changed compared to last time. So I'm pretty excited for today's show and and to hear what you have to say about certain things that we'll be talking about today. (04:05) Okay, I will answer all of that after I go and abduct a coffee cup. I'll be right back. It's bad. It's bad. I've got a leak. I'll be right back. Okay. While he is doing that, I'm going to share my screen here merely as a visual aid. Here it is. Look at that. Looking snazzy. But I wanted to kind of start off with a foundation of the alien abduction phenomenon because it involves individuals claiming to have been forcibly taken by extraterrestrials. (04:37) Okay. I want to take the word extraterrestrials out of here just for a moment and just instead use the word alien, because this way it's more of a universal term in the sense of we could actually be talking about interdimensionals maybe as a possibility and other factors. So it's not just something in our universe, but outside of our planet. (04:58) And so these abductee reports, they undergo medical procedures and examinations on spacecraft, including the insertion of implants and frequently experience paralysis during these encounters. So the modern focus on alien abductions really started in the 1950s. And yes, it goes way farther back, all the way up until the 1800s. (05:22) But it started getting more prevalent, more popular in the media. Back in the 1950s with George Adamski claimed that he was in contact with beings from Venus, which then began to spark this widespread interest in the abduction phenomenon more so than in previous years. But then it really began to grow in the 60s and 70s when we started to see researchers like J. (05:53) Allen Hynek and Dr. James Harder doing their research, doing their investigations, documenting medical examinations, and even telepathic interactions with aliens as well. Jimmy, when you were getting into this topic, and you've been into this since you were a child, when did you start looking at abduction specifically more so than just a sighting? Yeah, that's such a great and important question because I talked often about my experience. (06:24) It was in fourth grade with a friend, and we were watching TV shows. One of them was a show called UFO in Space 1999 and things that were going on. And I went to the library, got an encyclopedia, looked up UFO, and watched. In doing that, there was a photograph of Betty and Barney Hill. And it's one of the famous black and white photographs of the two of them sitting together. (06:53) And you go and you read about it. What? What? And right as I got into that, the idea of alien abductions and what could possibly be going on, I'm nine years old, right? I went feet first into this. And then immediately after that, and I'm talking about 1972, 73, 74, 75, things started happening. We had Betty and Barney Hill. (07:25) That was 1961. Travis Walton, 1975. Antonio Villas-Boas, who we have talked about many times on this show, very famous case. That's 1957. And the other list of cases that people should, as they watch this show today, I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this, but I'm going to give you some stuff to go and research because you have the case of Leo Sprinkle. (07:57) Leo Sprinkle was a University of Wyoming psychologist, and he worked for the university. He goes public with his abduction. He gets fired. in 1989. So go look up Leo Sprinkle. It's a very interesting case. You have 1896 in the November 27th edition of the Stockton, California Daily Grill, Daily Grill, Daily Mail, an article about Colonel H.G. (08:31) Shaw claimed he and a friend were harassed by slender humanoids, right? And this is 1896. And he was kidnapped by them. And that goes back to 1896. You have 1953 in the issue of Man to Man magazine, an article by Leroy Thorpe. And it was called, Are the Flying Saucers Kidnapping Humans? Go and read that article. (09:00) You can find it online. 1955 publication of Harold T. Wilkins' Flying Saucers Uncensored said that Carl Henrath and Wilbur Wilkinson were kidnapped and disappeared by aliens. And they said that they were abducted by flying saucers. You have Pascagoula, right? And that famous case. That was 1973. And that... Going back to my point, when I first started investigating this in 72 and 73, the Pascagoula case made major headlines all across the United States. (09:40) And I was very young, and that influenced me quite a bit. And, of course, I interviewed Calvin Parker on my show. Yeah, Whitley Streber, 1985 in New York. Alan Godfrey, we talked about his abduction case, which happened in 1980. He was a police officer, got abducted, reports his abduction, and then gets retired by the police department. (10:07) You can go and look up that case. One of the cases that doesn't you know, make the headlines like, like other cases is the case of Jan Wolski. That was May, 1978 in Poland. And at the site of his abduction, there is a memorial there that has been posted. And that's a pretty amazing case too, as well. And how he describes what actually had happened. (10:36) He was in a cart. It sounds like he had a horse. He's in Poland, and these little green aliens, and he describes them very strangely, by the way, jump into the cart and start talking to him in a language he doesn't understand. They take him to their flying saucer, which is sitting there parked, and he gets abducted. (11:01) We have the Pierre Zanfretta case. that happened in Italy over a number of years. He said he was abducted 11 times from 1978 to 1981. And then we have also the Robert Taylor case, 1979 in Scotland, that you and I have covered too as well. Now, And just giving you this very brief list off of the top of my head of cases that I have researched, there have been polls, Christina, about possible abductees and the number that has come back is between 5% and 6% of the population think they've been abducted by aliens. (11:50) Now, that is a huge number. Now, I'm wondering, because the topic of today's show is, you know, what's going on, what would happen to those poll numbers if the same poll was conducted today? Have you ever thought about that? Would the numbers go up or down? I have thought about it. And I think with how things are going, you know what? It's actually a difficult thing to answer because there was this surge in the 70s and 80s. (12:21) And you listed a handful of cases that we've gotten into pretty good detail on different shows here. And if you're interested, you can just type in abduction. They'll pop up on this channel. But when we're looking at today, there are still people that allegedly have been abducted. I've received emails. (12:40) I've received DMs by people. Jimmy, I know you have as well. And so then we have to ask, well, are these legitimate or are they just, you know, having a little fun? Right. And and so back in the 70s and 80s, just to kind of give an example, those that have come forward have gone through intense scrutiny. A lot of them have gone through tests. (13:02) A handful of them have had incision marks on their body or things kind of protruding out of their skin that we can classify as potential probes. And there were more people in the sense of the 70s and 80s and even up until the 90s that were taking this very seriously. You had scientists and researchers looking into this and putting their reputation on the line in today's world. (13:29) Yes, you still have people coming forward, but I don't feel like they're getting the same recognition as before. And there's a handful of different answers for that. And I know that people that are listening can probably make up their own conclusions on why they might think that could be. But. Just because people aren't talking about it as much as they did in the 70s and 80s doesn't mean that it's subsided at all. (13:54) The thing is that all we have is their verbal testimony. And if people don't come forward and they die with that secret, we will never have the statistics for it. And speaking about stats, I just want to lay some information down for you. Because back in twenty twenty one in the United States alone, they saw about eighty six thousand cases of disappearances that remained unsolved. (14:18) Remember that number? That's a very big number now in total in the United States. Back in twenty twenty one, at the very least, there were a total or so of about five hundred and twenty one thousand reported missing cases in the United States during that same time period. And over 485,000 were resolved, but that's leaving about 98%, which was resolved, but leaving that 2% unresolved. (14:41) So you have about 1,734 individuals resolved. that have this that have disappeared and it's been linked more to the mysterious and the extraordinary and this is something that we can take that number look at those cases and say okay this is the stats that we want to look at and one person that's very good at this is dave politis from missing 411 so He looks at that 1-2% of the strange disappearing cases that just don't have any kind of plausible explanation. (15:26) When we are dealing with alleged alien abductions, yes, there have been those that live to tell the tale and to have to show whatever kind of incisions that they might have on the body. But there could also be a percentage of those that never return and those which I wish we could talk to them about that. But we can't for at the very least for the time being until we become amazing telepathic creatures. (15:50) I am ready for that moment, Jimmy. But for for now, when we're looking at that one thousand reports from twenty twenty one alone, we can kind of estimate that throughout the years up until today. They could have walked through portals. They could have been abducted. They could have been taken by Bigfoot maybe. (16:08) Maybe they fell through a crevasse by chance and no one knew what happened to them. But when we're looking at numbers, it makes it a little bit easier for people to attempt and begin to rationalize what is going on more so than just throwing stories across. Do you see what I mean by that, Jimmy? Yeah. I do. I do. (16:30) And I'll tell you what really skews that number, I think, into the stratosphere is we are dealing with known cases and we're also dealing with witnesses and testimonials from people that remember or recall or have recalled their cases. How many don't know? How many do not know? My specific situation, I did not know about until my hypnosis therapy. (17:09) I didn't know. I didn't have any idea. I didn't have a clue. And not only that, there's that part of it. If I hadn't had the therapy, I would have never known. And I used to joke about that. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. Let's leave everything. And then suddenly this thing pops up. (17:27) And there's another interesting thing that skews with that number, Christina. Everybody really needs to think about this. We have the standard, when I say standard, it seems like a very typical experience where somebody's been captured or abducted and floated through a wall, paralysis, voluntarily, not voluntarily, whatever, you have that. (17:58) Then you have an examination that happens. You have some type of conference that happens where specific individuals are telepathically communicated with, and there is something that is exchanged. You have a tour of the ship. We hear about this quite often. Went down the halls, and I was shown that. You have experienced loss of time, a very, very common thing that happens. (18:30) Then you have a return. You're back in your bed. You're back in your backyard. You're back in the car, and you don't know how you got there. You just appear there. There's always a message that seems to be very common. That, you know, kindness to others, take care of the planet, nuclear worries and things. (18:57) So we have all of that. And then you have what everybody has to deal with, which is the criticism, the teasing, the ridicule. um serious psychological trauma that comes from this all of the social effects you know your classmates your family your friends and the media and anything else that comes with that then they typically have to deal with that now I just gave you that typical list my encounter had none of that This is very strange to me. (19:32) I didn't get a tour of the ship. I didn't have a conversation with anybody. I wasn't examined. I didn't get put on the operating table. Nobody has teased me about the situation. I don't have a real loss of time. None that I know of. I've talked to the other people that were around me when this happened and nobody remembers any of it. (20:04) So it's like all of the typical things don't apply to me, which would say it not only does it feel that the experience was real. But I think that everybody would probably go through a slightly different encounter, Christina. It's not the same race of beings. It's not the same thing. It can't be. (20:27) The numbers are too great. All right. But the concern that E.T. seems to be having with the planet is consistent. They're interested in us. They're interested in our future. They don't want to get too much involved, but they would like for us to share a message to the rest of the planet. And I think all of that seems fair, right? It seems like it's in bounds. (20:54) It's playing by the rules, and it makes a lot of sense. I want to elaborate on that. But first, W. Decker, thank you so much for that. I really appreciate it. And Mysterious Mystery says, a big reason people don't report it is the stigma attached to it. Lies have been ruined. Yes, they have. And we've seen that time and time again. (21:13) Now, to address your comment, Jimmy. I've been stewing on this for a while, this concept between these entities being our space brothers and that they're these amazing holy beings and we should praise them. And then the other camp that looks at these as terrible, evil entities. These abductions, I'm going to assume here, at the very least, 99% of them are forced onto people. (21:41) People are in immense fear. No, they're not voluntary. They're not voluntary. It's an abduction. No, but not just that. Then you have two separate camps. You have those that are given a tour like you had mentioned and to give a message to the people. And then you have those that are in that are in this state of shock, fear. (22:00) They're scared of what people look like. They're scared of the procedures. And they weren't given a message. They weren't said, oh, everything's going to be fine. You have been a chosen one. We're going to place you back on Earth because you are chosen. you are the one and only chosen by us and we are God. (22:15) You see what I'm saying here? And so we cannot, we can not place all of our eggs in one basket. And so when I hear these claims of, Oh, they're all so amazing and you should be ready with open arms, very much like independent state with, with, with, with the, with the signs on top of the building and they got just smashed by the craft, right? With the beam of light. (22:38) But I'm also not fully forward in the same aspect of those that say they're all malevolent. They're all terrible. We should never, ever trust them, which in some ways, yeah, we shouldn't trust anyone. And that's that. And just kind of feel it out for yourself. But. This is this is why I'm emphasizing this is that we cannot place all of our eggs in one basket. (22:58) And what if at the very least we are dealing with different species that have different agendas? And then we could even bring in the alleged Eisenhower treaty, where as the story goes, at the very least, is that Eisenhower. had a meeting with some extraterrestrials and he said you are able to take a handful of humans and cattle in return for advanced alien technology and so when people talk about the abduction phenomenon that is something that always comes up And to be fair with you, real or not, it's a fascinating story. (23:34) It's one that is very deeply embedded in UFO folklore. But it has to be considered at the very least as well, because we've heard, Jimmy, a thousand times by thousands of different people that fact is stranger than fiction. That Eisenhower Treaty, it sounds like fiction. It sounds out of place. It sounds wacky. (23:56) But if we can put it in the light just for a moment here, that what if it were true, it would change the mentality of those just getting into this field, which leads me to the question of what would be the societal implications if and only if there was irrefutable evidence of alien abductions and that they were being discovered? How do you think that would affect society? UFO transparency, government transparency topics. (24:30) Such an excellent question. And now this is where I would say we've got to get to the existential side of the answer for that. All right. Which is a frightening one. If Eisenhower did a treaty, right, and whether it was here at Edwards Air Force Base or at Holloman or whatever you want to, however you want to focus on it, he may have had more than one contact with E.T. (25:06) Is that any of this, abductions, a treaty, an agreement, disclosure, contact, any of it is not in our control. The aliens are in control of that agenda. They would be much more advanced than us. There is nothing. How are we going to negotiate a treaty with a situation like that? We're not. How are we going to stop abductions? You can't. (25:42) You're dealing with a species that is more advanced than us, and they're going to do what they want to do. Just like when we go into the Amazon jungle and discover new species of frogs. Right? We just go. We take the frogs and bag and tag them and bring them back for study. That's what we do. Why? Because we can. (26:06) The frog's not in control of that. We are. And now that existential, it's a deep, deep, deep philosophical, moral philosophical question. But it is beyond our control. It is. Now, why are we not hearing reports as often of alien abductions today? I would say we're hearing more, but they are different. (26:36) And the reason is this. Just going to lay it out there. Before 1940, we didn't have radar. Before 1960, well, Sputnik in 57 and 58 and Telstar in 59, but we didn't have satellites. We didn't have the technology to observe. We had telescopes. But ET was free to come and go as they pleased. So abductions, interference, observation, study, science of our planet was easy for them to do. (27:22) They could fly in and fly out. It's really that simple. Now there's technology where we can detect them. Civilians have... Night vision cameras, not just the military, right? Night vision binoculars. We have telescopes. We have deep space probes. We have the James Webb Space Telescope. We have all of the radar and radio telescopes all around the world that are looking for anything moving in space. (27:52) So it is harder to just come and go as you please. So you got to change your approach to that. And maybe the abductions are happening, but not in the traditional way of the past. And so, like with my experience, was I taken? Right? Was I physically removed? No, I wasn't. And a lot of contactees and experiencers today are describing a different methodology. (28:28) So I would say the numbers have probably gone through the roof But we're not talking about a physical abduction of a craft landing on the ground and somebody walking up a ramp and going into an exam room. The approach now is different, and it's different because our technology has improved. So I think that the abductions are still here, and they're still happening. (28:52) And maybe just like how our understanding and technology has improved, maybe theirs have as well in the sense of there might no longer be scars on the skin as there were in the 70s and 80s to the extent during that time frame where like, for instance, with cases like Such as Kelly Cahill, she had a scar right near her navel area, which based off of other abductions, we can place the connection that it was potentially to remove her eggs to create hyperidemia. (29:30) children of some kind mixing human and some type of alien DNA. And so maybe in today's world, people are still having these experiences, but they don't have the same proof as they did during that time frame 30, 40 years ago. But it doesn't And I want to just ask this question one more time and also for those listening to this live and or on replay, because this question, it's a big one. (29:58) And I really do want to hear your insights. And that is if we had evidence, if we had full blown proof and maybe if the government said, all right, guys, we've we've been we've been doing a trade and some humans have been abducted, but it's for the benefit of humanity. Right. And they lay it out there like that. (30:19) How would it affect this push that we're going for, for UAP transparency? If that were to come out, would we believe them or would we say, dude, you're off your rocker. I don't know what you're talking about. You're out of your mind. I don't believe you even more. And would we even consider it must be a disinformation campaign? So in your opinion, Jimmy, how would that information affect the movement now if those words either came out from a government official on record or not? If it was globally known and (31:00) accepted that there are abductions taking place when it comes back. The world would blow gaskets. I mean, it would just, that I think would freak everybody out. What? You're doing what? Right? It would be like that. And there would be comparisons to very horrific events in the past, right? For sure. But then, here's the argument to that. (31:32) Look at the movie Close Encounters with Steven Spielberg. It opens with the Fort Lauderdale Flight 19, right? The squadron. And we find it. And the pilots aren't there, but we have the planes. And it suggests something, right? And everybody was cool with that. How does the movie end? With the abductees from Project Serpo, right, stepping off of the spaceship and coming down and being reunited with planet Earth. (32:12) And we were happy about that. It was like, oh, okay, everybody's cool. Nobody asked the deeper question, who let them and was it cool? Right? That's what's really strange. The public at large was like, okay with abductions. It was strange, but if it was revealed today, I think the government's got a lot of issues when it comes to disclosure. (32:39) One of the biggest ones is that, Christina, that if contact is happening, the government is aware of it, and they do have contact or whatever, flying saucers are being reverse engineered, Then the other part comes into play where these abductees come forward and say, somebody is responsible for this. There is a legal issue here. (33:06) It's called kidnapping and abduction. And if you are aware of that and have been aware of that, what about us and the trauma that we went through? And it's something that has to be dealt with for sure. It does. And if that were to come out, it would just lead to so many more questions. And then people would continue to demand transparency and other aspects when it comes to government, which I'm fully for. (33:30) But this has already been difficult as is. And it's just going to open, in all honesty, a can of worms moving forward. But that shouldn't stop people or discourage people to say, hey, we demand the truth here. And thank you for answering that. And also those answering it in the live chat as well. I know Uncle Heavy said that social media does play a big role on the impact of the public consciousness of this topic. (33:59) And I think for a lot of it, that seems to be the case. When I was like when I go through social media, I have begin to realize I have begun to realize, excuse me, that there is a more open conversation about it. People make skits about it across their social media platforms. You know, some make jokes and laugh about it, but a good chunk of a lot of content regarding UFOs and sightings and encounters. (34:29) It's getting really good overall traction across platforms by those that know what they're doing when it comes to SEO. And I think that because of people such as, oh my gosh, I could name any name and you can fill in the fill in the blank there, whoever wants to. It's because of these content creators that they are influencing younger audiences to start asking bigger and better questions. (34:55) Now, this has been going on since the 70s, 80s, 90s. We've had a lot of alien movies and people are like, oh, this is this is so cool. This is kind of freaky. And then we can ask ourselves from the very beginning, is this soft disclosure? There are some really great alien themed movies that Okay, you brought up one, the close encounters. (35:15) It talks about abductions in a roundabout way. right? With Barry, bless that little boy's heart. He's just so cute in that movie. But going on from there up until present day, there are a lot of movies, TV shows, books, cartoons that talk about alien abductions. Is it preparing us for something? Could it really be like one of the best episodes of the Twilight Zone, How to Serve Man? Could it be something like that as well? And the thing is that looking at this we don't have the answers but just talking about this asking (35:52) these questions a lot of people don't want to tread in these waters because it's a hard topic and the biggest fear is that people don't have control and that's what we all crave is to control our everyday lives to control all the decisions that we make and when we are in a predicament that we cannot control It creates this intense level of fear. (36:15) And so this is why this might have to be one of those difficult topics when it comes to the UFO phenomenon. And Brian, thank you so much for that. But I have to ask you that question, Jimmy, and those listening to this. How can you respond to that? And or how would you address this to someone that's just getting into the topic but a little bit nervous to talk about alien abductions? Well, you're right, though. (36:44) It's the trauma associated with that. Now, going back to Barry in Close Encounters, That scene, when he goes out into the cornfield in Muncie, Indiana, and disappears, and his mom, Barry, right, yelling Barry through the... That rips at you. I mean, that tears your heart out. It does. And she goes on her journey to try to figure out what's going on. (37:15) In the end, Barry steps off the craft, and we're all relieved. We're like, phew. Oh, God. Good for Barry, right? But it's that trauma. That's the part. Maybe nothing happens, like, you know, something traumatic. Maybe nothing happens. But the fact that it's out of your control is what freaks you out. (37:36) My particular situation, I was okay with it. I was okay with it. If there's no trauma involved, would I do it again? Well, I didn't have control. I didn't even know that it happened, but I was okay with it. If there's no trauma involved, would most people, I pose the question to people all the time, I've asked you that question, which is, if you got the invitation, would you go? Now, there's a list of things, requirements, right, on the customs form for said trip. (38:13) But if all conditions are met, like you get to come back or whatever, the food, whatever it is, if all the conditions are met, do you go? I think all of us do. Most. I would do it. I would, as long as there's no trauma and it's voluntary. When it's involuntary, that's what causes the trauma, and then you have to deal with that aftermath and a lifelong thing where you're constantly dealing with it. (38:48) But, Jimmy, it's very easy to create the illusion of deciding on your own to do something voluntarily when it's not. Of course. If somebody's smarter than you— they will get around that. Won't they? It's called persuasion. Crazy thing. Well, it's like a Stockholm syndrome, right? Right. Right. (39:09) And if you, if you really think about it in those terms, just maybe somebody is going to act like your friend. Right. And now you, That's the way we are talking about it here on this program. You and I live in the United States. We're American citizens. We have a mindset that we frame all of this in. Is it the same with other countries around the world? and other cultures, how are they dealing with it? What do they consider an alien abduction, right? What about ET and contact? How are they considering this and discussing this? (39:51) What part of it is it in their culture going back historically? These are also the bigger, deeper questions that we have to address because with us on this show, you and I live here. Your audience is from around the world. They're going to have a different way to approach this. Yes, cultures, perceptions, past experiences all affect how we view the world. (40:16) But we have to ask ourselves another question. And I love saying that because I love asking questions like my favorite thing, my favorite thing to do every single day, by the way. But why is this conversation important today? Why are we talking about this? Why are we bringing this up? There are significant reasons and potential reasons as to why more people should know about it and take it. (40:40) more seriously, but at the same time with a grain of salt. But for instance, if we're looking at this topic and with all of the space exploration that we are doing and plan to do, get people onto Mars, get once again... get people on the moon, get people outside of our solar system. As humanity ventures further into space, t