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00:00 - A UFO Secret Kept 30 Years
00:32 - The UFO Show NBC Aired
00:57 - The Navy Man With a UFO Note
02:59 - What the UFO Formula Shows
04:43 - The Navy's Hidden UFO Link
05:33 - UFO Files They Cannot Find
08:11 - Bigelow's UFO Pitch to Trump
10:05 - AI, ETs and the UFO Future
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Show Transcript
For 30 years, the creator of the NBC series Dark Skies kept a scrap of paper they say came from a man claiming to work at the Office of Naval Intelligence. He called it the secrets of the universe. This week, Bryce Sable and Brent Friedman finally showed it to the public. And at the same time, the White House says it cannot find the full records from the Pentagon UFO program Robert Bigelow's company ran with the government.
Hey Ufologists, I'm Christina Gomez and this is your UFO News Update. Dark Skies premiered on NBC in the fall of 1996. Its premise was that the government had been hiding an alien presence since Roswell, with a secret group called Majestic 12 covering it up, while events like the Kennedy assassination played out in the background. It ran for only one season, but more interesting than the episodes was what happened behind the scenes.
The reveal came in a new episode of Zabel and Friedman's podcast, Sound, Light, and Frequency, and their latest podcast aired 30 years after the Dark Skies premiere party in Zabel's backyard, where a young man who called himself only JC approached them. JC said the Navy thought this show got a lot right. And to prove it, he described scenes from the Dark Skies pilot before it had even aired, including a scene where majestic agents removed an alien organism from a man's head. Then he drew something on the back of a torn bank deposit envelope in about 30 seconds and then gave them one instruction.
Take a listen. And as we were expecting him to leave because it was in the middle of this party, he did that thing where he said, Do you have a piece of paper and a pen then? And your wife, Patricia, had such a thing. She tore off the back of a bank deposit envelope, gave it to the guy.
He wrote something on it. He gave it to us. That becomes the formula. And that's the thing that we've held on to all these years, puzzled over it, and now we're prepared to show our work.
At the end, when he gave us this folded piece of paper, he said something. Put this away for 10 to 15 years. Put it in a safety deposit box. And at that time, if we don't make a deal, you'll understand that I was for real.
So a very cryptic way to hand over a quickly drawn piece of paper. The deal was Navy information about UFOs in exchange for shaping parts of the show. JC's superior later tried to steer the storyline toward the moon, and the producers walked away when they were told the next meeting would be at a cemetery at night. The paper went into a safety deposit box, was lost during a move, and then was found in 2023 by Friedman's daughter.
So what was on it? Well, the drawing is a vertical ladder of symbols wrapped in a spiral line with arrows, and from the bottom up, there is a black square, a crescent, a downward triangle, a six-pointed star, a shape with lines coming off it from its sides, a small dot, a circle with 10 rays, and at the very top, a large symbol that resembles Om in Sanskrit. Beside it, JC wrote a word that's close to Ajna, the Sanskrit name for the Third Eye Energy Center. When Zabel showed it to researcher Jacques Vallée, Vallée said right away that it looked like the seven chakras, the energy centers from Indian spiritual traditions that run from the base of the spine to the top of the head.
So six outside researchers have now written analysis. One simple expert linked it to the Merkaba, a Hebrew term for a divine chariot that carries goods. consciousness. Friedman's daughter noticed that parts of the top symbol are drawn upside down, and with this is all the information that these two hosts have, they still do not agree on what it means.
Friedman believes it may involve the phenomenon itself. Zabel believes it points to the intelligence community, and he explains why. He said it was the secrets of the universe. He said it was sound, light, and frequency.
If he was just there, to con us with some grand disinformation thing, it would have been a theory of propulsion, not sound, light, and frequency. Zabel also found a paper trail, a declassified Naval Intelligence Command memo dated September 19, 1978. that names a Navy contact for the Defense Department's remote viewing research. That effort, also known as Stargate, included the Gateway Process, a method designed for the push for consciousness beyond the body.
So Navy intelligence was involved in consciousness research 18 years before J.C. arrived at Zabel's party. Now, it doesn't prove who J.C. was, but it does show that his drawing matches what the Navy was studying at the time, even before then.
So take a very close look at this formula. Do you see a chakra map, a set of instructions, or a test? You tell me. The other records in the news are the ones the government can't find.
As you know by now, on September 18th, the Pentagon released its sixth batch of UFO files, with 71 files in total. At the center was 37 Defense Intelligence Reference Documents, known as DIRDS, from OSAP, the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program, and this was Bigelow's company that he ran for the Defense Intelligence Agency from 2008 to 2012. Critics online said that the dirts have nothing to do with UFOs. But on the latest Bigelow podcast, Dr.
Colm Kelleher, who helped run the program, completely disagreed. The OSAP dirts were really the first step in getting conceptual reverse engineering of UFOs. So the idea that people have said on social media that they have nothing to do with UFOs Their genesis was UFOs and UFO performance. It establishes a baseline of what we can do now, what our technology is now, what we anticipated could be in 40 or 50 years.
And then when you've got examples that are way outside the norm of that, it's unusual. That's right. Then Fox News correspondent Peter Doocy reported that senior White House official told him they could not find any copy of the full program records. The government paid about $ 22 million for that program, and Kelleher says the records were real and even delivered.
When we were putting together the final set of documents in my office before they were sent to Defense Intelligence Agency, there was a stack of three-ring binders that was between five and six feet tall in my office that were eventually FedExed to Defense Intelligence Agency. So we're talking between 8,000 and 10,000 pages of documents that would have to be separately gone through line by line in order to identify personal identifiable information, medical issues that people have talked about during UFO. So a lot of confidential information would have to be scrutinized. So that's an enormous amount of work that would need to be, you.
Know, gone into. He says both paper and electronic copies went to the Defense Intelligence Agency. He also supported the files may have been placed under a new classification that blocks their release. If so, the records are not lost.
They're just locked away. And Bigelow also shared new details from his February meeting with President Trump. He brought up, Seven papers covering UFOs, the Space Force, the moon, a missile defense system called Golden Dome, artificial intelligence, and more. And he gave himself about 11 minutes per topic.
He says the president was distracted and asked four questions unrelated to what he was even presenting. But looking back, Bigelow says he should have focused on three or four topics. His biggest push, aside from UFOs, was the Space Force. And the reason ties back to secrecy.
Bigelow is the man whose company ran the Pentagon's UFO research program, and he argues NASA is the wrong agency for anything sensitive. NASA is a civilian agency, and its astronauts on the International Space Station share the station with crews from other nations and do not need high-level clearances. Bigelow says the Space Force would have access to classified programs NASA never will. And he also says that NASA is very divided, with 10 field centers competing for money all the time.
And that is, he needs to sanction Space Force to have astronauts. You got to put some teeth. You got to create the muscle, which NASA doesn't have. You're going to have a, you have to have something that's really capable of the fight.
If you're going to have a dog in the fight, make it a capable, mean dog if necessary. It isn't NASA. It's a political dog. It's a political animal.
Space Force has tremendous potential. He wants Space Force to have its own astronauts and stations in orbit. around the moon and on its surface with a budget three to four times larger. Then Bigelow warned the president about artificial intelligence.
A recent Los Angeles Review Journal report quoted the president calling fears of an AI takeover a hoax. But Bigelow doesn't think so. We have here, researcher says human race is in serious danger. President says concerns of AI taking over is a hoax.
George, it is no goddamn hoax. We don't know enough yet to where we can say we don't need to be really concerned. We know enough to say we should be really concerned. He brought it back to UFOs.
Knapp noted that OSAP had planned to run AI across its data warehouse of UFO cases to connect patterns. But Bigelow said something else. AI might one day prefer to deal with ET, who think faster than humans, rather than with us. And he stressed he was not predicting it, only that the future tends to surprise us.
After 30 years, the Dark Skies formula is public. And the OSAP records are still missing. Which one do you think will tell us more about what the government knows? Leave your thoughts in the comments below.
I'm Christina Gomez. That is it for today. I will see you again next time for another UFO News update. Be safe and remember, keep your eyes on the skies.
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Transcript
For 30 years, the creator of the NBC series Dark Skies kept a scrap of paper they say came from a man claiming to work at the Office of Naval Intelligence. He called it the secrets of the universe. This week, Bryce Sable and Brent Friedman finally showed it to the public. And at the same time, the White House says it cannot find the full records from the Pentagon UFO program Robert Bigelow's company ran with the government.
Hey Ufologists, I'm Christina Gomez and this is your UFO News Update. Dark Skies premiered on NBC in the fall of 1996. Its premise was that the government had been hiding an alien presence since Roswell, with a secret group called Majestic 12 covering it up, while events like the Kennedy assassination played out in the background. It ran for only one season, but more interesting than the episodes was what happened behind the scenes.
The reveal came in a new episode of Zabel and Friedman's podcast, Sound, Light, and Frequency, and their latest podcast aired 30 years after the Dark Skies premiere party in Zabel's backyard, where a young man who called himself only JC approached them. JC said the Navy thought this show got a lot right. And to prove it, he described scenes from the Dark Skies pilot before it had even aired, including a scene where majestic agents removed an alien organism from a man's head. Then he drew something on the back of a torn bank deposit envelope in about 30 seconds and then gave them one instruction.
Take a listen. And as we were expecting him to leave because it was in the middle of this party, he did that thing where he said, Do you have a piece of paper and a pen then? And your wife, Patricia, had such a thing. She tore off the back of a bank deposit envelope, gave it to the guy.
He wrote something on it. He gave it to us. That becomes the formula. And that's the thing that we've held on to all these years, puzzled over it, and now we're prepared to show our work.
At the end, when he gave us this folded piece of paper, he said something. Put this away for 10 to 15 years. Put it in a safety deposit box. And at that time, if we don't make a deal, you'll understand that I was for real.
So a very cryptic way to hand over a quickly drawn piece of paper. The deal was Navy information about UFOs in exchange for shaping parts of the show. JC's superior later tried to steer the storyline toward the moon, and the producers walked away when they were told the next meeting would be at a cemetery at night. The paper went into a safety deposit box, was lost during a move, and then was found in 2023 by Friedman's daughter.
So what was on it? Well, the drawing is a vertical ladder of symbols wrapped in a spiral line with arrows, and from the bottom up, there is a black square, a crescent, a downward triangle, a six-pointed star, a shape with lines coming off it from its sides, a small dot, a circle with 10 rays, and at the very top, a large symbol that resembles Om in Sanskrit. Beside it, JC wrote a word that's close to Ajna, the Sanskrit name for the Third Eye Energy Center. When Zabel showed it to researcher Jacques Vallée, Vallée said right away that it looked like the seven chakras, the energy centers from Indian spiritual traditions that run from the base of the spine to the top of the head.
So six outside researchers have now written analysis. One simple expert linked it to the Merkaba, a Hebrew term for a divine chariot that carries goods. consciousness. Friedman's daughter noticed that parts of the top symbol are drawn upside down, and with this is all the information that these two hosts have, they still do not agree on what it means.
Friedman believes it may involve the phenomenon itself. Zabel believes it points to the intelligence community, and he explains why. He said it was the secrets of the universe. He said it was sound, light, and frequency.
If he was just there, to con us with some grand disinformation thing, it would have been a theory of propulsion, not sound, light, and frequency. Zabel also found a paper trail, a declassified Naval Intelligence Command memo dated September 19, 1978. that names a Navy contact for the Defense Department's remote viewing research. That effort, also known as Stargate, included the Gateway Process, a method designed for the push for consciousness beyond the body.
So Navy intelligence was involved in consciousness research 18 years before J.C. arrived at Zabel's party. Now, it doesn't prove who J.C. was, but it does show that his drawing matches what the Navy was studying at the time, even before then.
So take a very close look at this formula. Do you see a chakra map, a set of instructions, or a test? You tell me. The other records in the news are the ones the government can't find.
As you know by now, on September 18th, the Pentagon released its sixth batch of UFO files, with 71 files in total. At the center was 37 Defense Intelligence Reference Documents, known as DIRDS, from OSAP, the Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program, and this was Bigelow's company that he ran for the Defense Intelligence Agency from 2008 to 2012. Critics online said that the dirts have nothing to do with UFOs. But on the latest Bigelow podcast, Dr.
Colm Kelleher, who helped run the program, completely disagreed. The OSAP dirts were really the first step in getting conceptual reverse engineering of UFOs. So the idea that people have said on social media that they have nothing to do with UFOs Their genesis was UFOs and UFO performance. It establishes a baseline of what we can do now, what our technology is now, what we anticipated could be in 40 or 50 years.
And then when you've got examples that are way outside the norm of that, it's unusual. That's right. Then Fox News correspondent Peter Doocy reported that senior White House official told him they could not find any copy of the full program records. The government paid about $ 22 million for that program, and Kelleher says the records were real and even delivered.
When we were putting together the final set of documents in my office before they were sent to Defense Intelligence Agency, there was a stack of three-ring binders that was between five and six feet tall in my office that were eventually FedExed to Defense Intelligence Agency. So we're talking between 8,000 and 10,000 pages of documents that would have to be separately gone through line by line in order to identify personal identifiable information, medical issues that people have talked about during UFO. So a lot of confidential information would have to be scrutinized. So that's an enormous amount of work that would need to be, you.
Know, gone into. He says both paper and electronic copies went to the Defense Intelligence Agency. He also supported the files may have been placed under a new classification that blocks their release. If so, the records are not lost.
They're just locked away. And Bigelow also shared new details from his February meeting with President Trump. He brought up, Seven papers covering UFOs, the Space Force, the moon, a missile defense system called Golden Dome, artificial intelligence, and more. And he gave himself about 11 minutes per topic.
He says the president was distracted and asked four questions unrelated to what he was even presenting. But looking back, Bigelow says he should have focused on three or four topics. His biggest push, aside from UFOs, was the Space Force. And the reason ties back to secrecy.
Bigelow is the man whose company ran the Pentagon's UFO research program, and he argues NASA is the wrong agency for anything sensitive. NASA is a civilian agency, and its astronauts on the International Space Station share the station with crews from other nations and do not need high-level clearances. Bigelow says the Space Force would have access to classified programs NASA never will. And he also says that NASA is very divided, with 10 field centers competing for money all the time.
And that is, he needs to sanction Space Force to have astronauts. You got to put some teeth. You got to create the muscle, which NASA doesn't have. You're going to have a, you have to have something that's really capable of the fight.
If you're going to have a dog in the fight, make it a capable, mean dog if necessary. It isn't NASA. It's a political dog. It's a political animal.
Space Force has tremendous potential. He wants Space Force to have its own astronauts and stations in orbit. around the moon and on its surface with a budget three to four times larger. Then Bigelow warned the president about artificial intelligence.
A recent Los Angeles Review Journal report quoted the president calling fears of an AI takeover a hoax. But Bigelow doesn't think so. We have here, researcher says human race is in serious danger. President says concerns of AI taking over is a hoax.
George, it is no goddamn hoax. We don't know enough yet to where we can say we don't need to be really concerned. We know enough to say we should be really concerned. He brought it back to UFOs.
Knapp noted that OSAP had planned to run AI across its data warehouse of UFO cases to connect patterns. But Bigelow said something else. AI might one day prefer to deal with ET, who think faster than humans, rather than with us. And he stressed he was not predicting it, only that the future tends to surprise us.
After 30 years, the Dark Skies formula is public. And the OSAP records are still missing. Which one do you think will tell us more about what the government knows? Leave your thoughts in the comments below.
I'm Christina Gomez. That is it for today. I will see you again next time for another UFO News update. Be safe and remember, keep your eyes on the skies.
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